Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Also, I would rather watch Final Frontier and Nemesis over anything post 2008 for the franchise. At least they had ambition and effort put into it.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m no fan of those films, but watching them doesn’t make me cringe like Nu Trek.
 
Final Frontier was a good Trek film at it's core, but it needed polished before shooting started. It definitely a budget, needed the SFX handled by ILM, but it has the basic story down and some of the best scenes in the series. The one where McCoy and Spock's secret pains come out (McCoy pulling the plug on his father right before a cure is found and Spock's rejection at birth by Sarek) but Kirk says he needs his pain and won't let it go or questioning "God" ("What does God need with a starship?") are classic Trek all the way.

If it had been up to me, I would have dropped the Sybok is Spock's brother angle entirely and just had him as some Vulcan guru and gotten rid of the Klingons. And dropped the whole main crew always hang out even on shore leave thing. Give them each a moment in their own lives without the rest of the crew.
 
Much like The Motion Picture, V doesn't really have a 'villain.' The only bad guys are those Klingon dipshits, and even they end up saving everybody’s ass in their own stupid way.

I’d rather have a movie with no villain than one with a half-assed villain who ruins the whole thing.

 
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Curzon Dax-sama dijo:
It's not any old missile. It's a gigaton anti-matter bomb. Who the fuck knows what the spoonheads wanted to blow up with that.
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Alright, so sometimes you just gotta turn your fucking brain off with Star Trek.

This half-Klingon rage-cunt engineer launched a missile at the Cardassians. Looks like it took a wrong turn and ended up in the Badlands somewhere.

Voyager's ass-deep in the Delta Quadrant for years and they run right into the exact same missile again.

The missile talking in B'Elanna's voice is peak comedy.

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ATTENTION CARDASSIAN WORKERS.

I AM THE WRATH OF THE DISPLACED. YOU PAVED PARADISE AND PUT UP A PARKING LOT. SURRENDER THE DEPOT NOW OR WE WILL TURN IT INTO A SLAG HEAP SO THE EARTH CAN FINALLY HEAL. TODAY IS A GOOD DAY FOR YOU TO DIE. WE ARE CORRECTING HISTORY, ¡PENDEJOS!
 
William Murderface dijo:
Final Frontier was a good Trek film at it's core, but it needed polished before shooting started. It definitely a budget, needed the SFX handled by ILM, but it has the basic story down and some of the best scenes in the series. The one where McCoy and Spock's secret pains come out (McCoy pulling the plug on his father right before a cure is found and Spock's rejection at birth by Sarek) but Kirk says he needs his pain and won't let it go or questioning "God" ("What does God need with a starship?") are classic Trek all the way.

If it had been up to me, I would have dropped the Sybok is Spock's brother angle entirely and just had him as some Vulcan guru and gotten rid of the Klingons. And dropped the whole main crew always hang out even on shore leave thing. Give them each a moment in their own lives without the rest of the crew.
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I have always like FF more than the TNG or reboot movies ILM being too busy to do the effects and part of the film being stolen and thus reshot on the cheap didn't help.

Still it has a good story and I think the cast gives the most relaxed proformaces and has the best chemistry we saw in the movies.
 
William Murderface dijo:
Final Frontier was a good Trek film at it's core, but it needed polished before shooting started. It definitely a budget, needed the SFX handled by ILM, but it has the basic story down and some of the best scenes in the series. The one where McCoy and Spock's secret pains come out (McCoy pulling the plug on his father right before a cure is found and Spock's rejection at birth by Sarek) but Kirk says he needs his pain and won't let it go or questioning "God" ("What does God need with a starship?") are classic Trek all the way.

If it had been up to me, I would have dropped the Sybok is Spock's brother angle entirely and just had him as some Vulcan guru and gotten rid of the Klingons. And dropped the whole main crew always hang out even on shore leave thing. Give them each a moment in their own lives without the rest of the crew.
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There’s a lot of good in this film, it’s just unfortunate that it didn’t get the polish it deserved. I don’t think it’s a train wreck like most people think.

Nemesis honestly had potential going for it - Picard going against a younger clone of himself, Reman slave uprising overthrowing the Romulan Senate, find an early prototype of Data right before his death is legit great concepts.

The problem was that the film was directed by a film editor, which is nothing wrong with that, but Stuart Braid had zero lore knowledge about Star Trek and he refused to have any help ironing the problems and a extremely gawky screenplay that had a weird fixation with Wrath of Khan. And even if Nemesis was a better film if executed better, Paramount made the retarded decision to release the film in December when the second Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings movies were dominating the box office at the time.
 
Godzilla@1989 dijo:
There’s a lot of good in this film, it’s just unfortunate that it didn’t get the polish it deserved. I don’t think it’s a train wreck like most people think.

Nemesis honestly had potential going for it - Picard going against a younger clone of himself, Reman slave uprising overthrowing the Romulan Senate, find an early prototype of Data right before his death is legit great concepts.

The problem was that the film was directed by a film editor, which is nothing wrong with that, but Stuart Braid had zero lore knowledge about Star Trek and he refused to have any help ironing the problems and a extremely gawky screenplay that had a weird fixation with Wrath of Khan. And even if Nemesis was a better film if executed better, Paramount made the retarded decision to release the film in December when the second Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings movies were dominating the box office at the time.
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Yeah, as a huge Trek fan all my life I went opening weekend and the theater was half empty. Just a few years earlier the same theater was packed for Insurrection.

I don't know what Paramount was thinking with that timing.
 
BubbaRobot887 dijo:
Harry Kim gpt demoted for having sex when everyone else was getting it on, I am shocked they dodn't find his bloated corps in his quarters at some point.
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Busted down to nothing, LESS than an Ensign, but Neelix had rough sex with a Klingon dommy mommy. "that’s fine, he’s the morale officer.”

Janeway's on Deck 11 trying to get railed by the Poor Man’s Armand Assante hologram. "That's her business."

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I agree Trek 5 gets a bad rep
it has important rock climbing and punching gods in the dick, has the REALLY great shit of "I need my pain!" which is quintessential Trek "us flawed humans are basically the best shit ever"
 
Godzilla@1989 dijo:
There’s a lot of good in this film, it’s just unfortunate that it didn’t get the polish it deserved. I don’t think it’s a train wreck like most people think.

Nemesis honestly had potential going for it - Picard going against a younger clone of himself, Reman slave uprising overthrowing the Romulan Senate, find an early prototype of Data right before his death is legit great concepts.

The problem was that the film was directed by a film editor, which is nothing wrong with that, but Stuart Braid had zero lore knowledge about Star Trek and he refused to have any help ironing the problems and a extremely gawky screenplay that had a weird fixation with Wrath of Khan. And even if Nemesis was a better film if executed better, Paramount made the retarded decision to release the film in December when the second Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings movies were dominating the box office at the time.
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If I had been writing Nemesis I would have had Picard going up against a dark version of himself. Not an evil clone, but someone just as smart, capable, and experienced as he was. Think a Romulan Picard who is the shadowy reflection. Like Belloq to Indy in Raiders of the Lost Ark. He isn't evil per se, just he wants to get to the McGuffin first and while Picard has morals and Starfleet regulations to hamper him, Shadow Picard is willing to cut corners. He can have the Romulan military pushing him and even threatening Shadow Picard, but it's ultimately down to Picard having to outthink Shadow Picard. Of course there's a showdown at the end and the good guys win, but at a cost. Data's gone, the Enterprise is wrecked, the crew split up to new assignments, and Picard retired against his will, but he's good with it because he saved some planet or race or humanity or something and kept the McGuffin from the Romulans.
 
William Murderface dijo:
Remember when you could get a marshmallow holder in a box of cereal when the movie came out? Something like Rice Crispies or something like that.
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Found the Boomer! Shouldn't you be listening to The Beatles while eating Milk Duds? Why aren't you driving your 1987 Corvette five miles under the speed limit with the top down?
 
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