Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Tsukasa Kadoya]

It has more Nick Meyerisms in it like the mystery plot and there's more budget thrown at it, but I consider it a pretty close shave between the two.

The final battle between Chang, Kirk and Sulu was genuinely intense.
Also, it makes the story of Kirk seem more impactful. From hating Klingons to saving the peace treaty that ushered in a new era of the Federation. The ending where the Enterprise is decommissioned always makes me shed a tear. I grew up withe the OG crew, so seeing them one final time means the world to me.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Romantasy is written by women (and men using female pseudonyms to be published at all) for women. Do you really want classic Trek to be written by wine aunts, trannies or failed fanfic fujos? Note that the overlap of those groups is enormous. What we got the past 10 years was a glimpse at how that'll look like: everyone is a faggot and incompetent by skilled male author standards. With those idiots in charge, you'll see the incompetent faggots fuck. You have been warned.

It would probably get more viewers than current Trek. Would it be an obvious attempt to bilk the franchise? Yes, but it would at least make more money than the current menu. It's one thing to fill a beloved franchise with gross shit for money, but it's another thing entirely to fill it with gross shit and make no money at all. There's a reason some have speculated online that this is all an effort to push politically desirable messages using a legacy franchise. You don't keep pumping out shit that makes no money if there isn't an ulterior motive.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

It would probably get more viewers than current Trek. Would it be an obvious attempt to bilk the franchise? Yes, but it would at least make more money than the current menu. It's one thing to fill a beloved franchise with gross shit for money, but it's another thing entirely to fill it with gross shit and make no money at all. There's a reason some have speculated online that this is all an effort to push politically desirable messages using a legacy franchise. You don't keep pumping out shit that makes no money if there isn't an ulterior motive.

Blatant, badly written agitprop fails if nobody gives a shit and just turns of their screen. And that is what happened with SFA. That by the way brings me to the reason why romantasy and smut are so popular - there's zero current year+11 shit in it. So, you might be correct that filling Trek with apolitical smut might bring in audiences. But it's indicative of the franchise's state that we even talking about that...

 

[Flexo]

To a degree. SFA is a good indicator for where shit's headed. Now imagine romantasy writers get a shot at it or female fanfic writers.

No I mean earlier in the thread I thought we established that some of the Trek novel writers had joined kurtzman trek. Hence why Discovery and Picard shared a lot of plot lines with some of the later novels.

As I consider a bunch of "after show" era novels as little better than fanfic.

And those authors were female too.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

No I mean earlier in the thread I thought we established that some of the Trek novel writers had joined kurtzman trek. Hence why Discovery and Picard shared a lot of plot lines with some of the later novels.

As I consider a bunch of "after show" era novels as little better than fanfic.

And those authors were female too.

Funny how both series are also mostly shit, lol.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Blatant, badly written agitprop fails if nobody gives a shit and just turns of their screen. And that is what happened with SFA. That by the way brings me to the reason why romantasy and smut are so popular - there's zero current year+11 shit in it. So, you might be correct that filling Trek with apolitical smut might bring in audiences. But it's indicative of the franchise's state that we even talking about that...

Actually, a lot of romantasy slop does have current year×11 shit in it, but it's so blatant that the creators have to acknowledge it's bullshit. Jizzerton is a prime example: it's so obvious that they have to preface it by saying "it's fantasy, don't think too hard." That attenuates the agitprop by admitting it's not serious. Food for thought.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

 

[Captain Syrup]

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Well justified. I can't imagine sitting through two seasons of that muck.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

It also means there won't be a third season. Trannies on suicide watch.

 

[Cnut]

The Undiscovered Country is excellent until Christopher Plummer is spinning in his chair quoting Henry V. The last time I saw it, I was embarrassed for everyone. Otherwise solid and Iman is hot. Was she a founder? Eh maybe. Kim Catrall is also amazing as Ive said here before. Do you think Nimoy really destroyed the negatives?? He had photographed plenty naked women, just not on the Enterprise I guess.

Also the best version is the old Extended Version before the Directors Cut, because the DC adds the cheesy photo-flashes when Spock announces the names of the conspirators. Come on, Nick! Lame.

Speaking of Meyer I'm reminded of that Khan audio drama he wrote that no one discussed. I only have patience for things like that on long car rides so maybe I'll check it out on a trip I've got coming up.

 

[Clown College 2nd Year]

Slight detour, this nigga salty as fuck for some reason about the lone black man on the Artemis moon mission. I have no clue why he's so angry about it.

This guy posts lots of lefty shit but at least had the decency not to trash our astronauts.

I looked through some of the other Star Trek actors' twitter profiles a mix of keeping it professional and lefty posting nothing too surprising buuuuttt seeing Chase Masterson complain about customer service was somewhat amusing.

 

[Pedophobe]

Hot take: i prefer the undiscovered country over the wrath of khan.

TSFS mogs both.

 

[The Nothingness]

Also the best version is the old Extended Version before the Directors Cut

Is that the one where René Auberjonois was the human conspirator who disguised himself as the Klingon sniper in the climax?

 

[Clown College 2nd Year]

TSFS mogs both.

Bro don't do this. I'm firmly in the camp of TSFS not being as bad as some make it out to be. But it's not better than either TWK or TUC.

 

[Pedophobe]

Bro don't do this. I'm firmly in the camp of TSFS not being as bad as some make it out to be. But it's not better than either TWK or TUC.

Robin Curtis was best Saavik.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Robin Curtis was best Saavik.

Okay, people. Curtis or Alley?

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Kirstie Alley.

 

[Clown College 2nd Year]

Robin Curtis was best Saavik.

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Okay, people. Curtis or Alley?

Kind of conflicted, Kirstie Alley is better looking but Robin Curtis plays the character better.

 

[Flexo]

Funny how both series are also mostly shit, lol.

Finally found it. We started discussing it WAAAAAAAY back on page 650.

One of the lead writers for Picard is a former Voyager novelist, Kristen Beyer or whatever her name is. She's also the only one in the writer's room with any Star Trek credibility (which isn't much). It seemed like they were going pretty heavy into comics to bridge some of the gaps and fill-in plot holes but then they contradicted themselves with "Captain Data" in the Countdown comic series and the Picard series and the whole thing became a clusterfuck that no one was reading anyway so I think the "extended universe" for nuTrek is all but abandoned.

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It's hard to piece together since it's all in shitty novels nobody should ever read, posted on the insufferable TrekBBS, and in interviews with the paid fanfic authors who think they're god's gift to literature. I need to be a few drinks deep before even checking in on that shit.

(Holy shit the author posts on trekbbs are obnoxious. They really do NOT like any criticism of their work.)

Beyer's career trajectory is fascinating though. Just purely on the numbers, having a job that she wants is a very dangerous place for someone's career. At every step the people ahead of her have been fired or quit, often in ugly circumstances, and she's moved into their role without the qualifications, so that this fanfic writer that brought us Icheb's Eyeball, Pirate Picard, and Tilly, is now one of the most powerful people in Trek.

Jump to there and start reading down.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Iman is hot. Was she a founder? Eh maybe.

Would be pretty funny if Iman wasn’t some subtle Changeling conspiracy but just an alien who can morph into Shatner and no one else.

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Okay, people. Curtis or Alley?

Kirstie is usually fired up, but here she is stuck in the role of Spock's foil. Feels like she’s only there to show how Spock has absorbed Kirk's capacity for bullshit.



Robin has slightly more interesting things to do on the Genesis planet. She may not be a dime like Kirstie, but I buy her portrayal of a Vulcan.



If Kirstie hadn’t walked out over a salary dispute, maybe I’d feel differently. It’s hard to even speculate, it’s kind of like debating whether Lazenby was a good Bond.