Sony Terminate Disney Spider-Man Deal

I’m astonished by the number of grown ass adults on social media who are braying that Disney/Marvel deserve the 50/50 finance/profit share deal because “they did all the work for free” even though it was Sony who wrote the check. A 15/85 or 20/80 deal would make sense given the work Disney/Marvel puts into these, but 50/50 with creative input into the spinoffs is absurd
 
Does Sony own all Spider-People? Like they couldn't just pop in Jessica Drew down the line?
If she is primarily known for being in Spider-man, yes, Sony would have dibs.

Edit: Of course, there is some gray area, such as Fox and Disney both being able to have a Quicksilver, but having a character show up in the MCU who has the exact same powers as Spider-man would be harder to defend.
 
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I hope Sony wins. Really this is just Disney being greedy with their percentage increase and let's be honest they don't need Spider-Man for anything other than the brand. Every MCU Spider-Man movie isn't really a SM movie and just a superhero teen movie. You can literally replace Tom Holland with Kamala Khan and not much would've change... It actually would've improve Kamala tbh
 
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Wasnt there recently an A&H thread about how Disney rejected a spiderman tombstone for a father's dead son? As far as I'm concerned this is divine retribution. It's hilarious how soyboys are letting themselves think that poor micky is getting bullied by the evil japs.
 
Like I said in the main thread I hope Sony tells Disney to fuck off.

Superhero movies were more fun before the MCU turned them all into generic quipfests.
 
Eh, I like MCU Spider-Man but I think both Sony and Disney can get fucked with rakes.
 
I hope Sony stays with this and tells Disney to fuck off. 50/50 split is absolutely absurd considering Disney doesn't pay a cent in the production of the solo Spidey movies. People keep bringing up "BUT FAR FROM HOME MADE $1.1B". Okay, think about it this way: with that 50/50 split, this means that Sony only sees $550 million from the movie, and you also have to remember that they are completely bankrolling the production AND the advertising, which is at least going to cost $200 million (low balling it too). So they walk away with $350 million profit while Disney does absolutely nothing and makes out with an extra $550 million? What the fuck is that? You have complete morons defending Disney on twitter because they don't know any better and would watch an MCU movie of Thor eating shit for 2 hours.

I sincerely hope Sony walks out on this, makes some Spider-Man movie, and they make a billion on their own, just to show that MCU isn't (and shouldn't) be the end-all for superhero movies at this point. IMO they are mostly mediocre, safe as day drivel. Only legitimately good ones were Infinity War, Endgame, and the 2012 Avengers movie.

As for that theme park ride posted a few pages back, I sincerely hope that thing gets shitcanned. Seeing everything Spider-Man related in the MCU having some sort of Iron Man shit tucked in there is absolutely awful. Before the MCU, Iron man had fuckin nothing to do with Spider-Man, hell for 20+ years Spider-Man literally wanted nothing to do with him:

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if this in some way prevents a single additional marvel movie being made then I'm for it.
 
I have been enjoying all the disney shills lose their shit and blaming Sony for the mess.

With the budget the last two spiderman have had, they could do worse than the AMS2 at the box office and Sony will still be making more money than they would have if they took the Disney deal, no one in their right mind would take that deal especially after Venom grossed $850 million without being linked to the MCU. Does this hurt Sony for sure but nowhere near as much as the deal Disney wanted would have which would have covered more than just the MCU Spider Man movies.

This not to say Sony are great, they aren't and always find ways to fuck them self over, but this isn't one of those cases.
Here are a few of those cases, shows issues with making "new" franchises
They tried to make Ghostbusters into a cinematic universe with a planned Slime spin off but that movie was shit and killed that idea, the awful marketing and costing way more than it should have (a common trend during the amy pascal era of Sony) also helped to kill that idea, right now they trying to reboot it again but this time with a smaller budget, making it a sequel to the original movies and not making the movie be 90& bad improv.

Men in Black was fucked over twice, first with Men in Black 3 which cost around $225 million before marketing and grossed around $625 million world wide, so not awful but the budget was again way too high, they also didn't have a script finished before the movie started filming. Director Barry Sonnenfeld, and stars Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones blame the producers and refuse to work with them on a Men In Black 4, they are also the reason give by Sonnenfeld why 2 and 3 aren't good. So Sony when with a soft reboot called Men in Black: International staring the leads of Thor 3, the budget was right this time being $110 million however the movie was even more shit than the past two and only grossed $253 million world wide, so with marketing costs would be shocked if they made money, director F. Gary Gray also blames the produces for the movie being shit, he nearly walked away at one point with the changes they were making to the script, worth noting the producers did reshoots and had the final cut. Also a Men in Black Jump Street was planned and killed.

Goosebumps 2 was pretty low budget at around $35 million and only grossed $93 worldwide, so hard to say if it made any profit however the first one made over $150, so Sony would want to see a growth in the series, they made the issue putting out the movie the same time Jack Black the star of the first movie new kids "horror" movie out meaning they eat into each others sales, second issue was it's the same movie of the first movie and nothing new thus hurting word of month. Right now no plans for a 3rd one.

The Girl in the Spider's Web, they waited too long make a follow up to David Fincher's The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo which did pretty well with a world wide gross $232 million, so by the time they make one they replace everyone and skip to the fourth book, the movie mostly got bad or meh review which is a death nail for the type of people who see these types of movies, had they started sooner and keep the David Fincher cast they could have had an alright series going. in term of box office gross

The Dark Tower, too many thing to list that went wrong, but here is a few, bad script, race changing the main character for no reason, not being based on any of the book but a sequel to them thus missing any character development. Was meant to be a big franchise for Sony with multiple movies plan along with a TV show, in 2018 Amazon bought they rights and is rebooting it as a TV show.

Robocop 2014, funny thing the movie didn't do awful it made $243 million world wide on a budget of $100 million, so unless marketing costs were bad shit should have brought in some money, however the reaction of the movie wasn't great so likely a Robocop 2 would have flopped even if they did fix the issues with the first one. Total Recall remake they did is pretty similar apart it flopped and got even worse reviews, were plans for a follow up before it flopped.
 
I have been enjoying all the disney shills lose their shit and blaming Sony for the mess.

With the budget the last two spiderman have had, they could do worse than the AMS2 at the box office and Sony will still be making more money than they would have if they took the Disney deal, no one in their right mind would take that deal especially after Venom grossed $850 million without being linked to the MCU. Does this hurt Sony for sure but nowhere near as much as the deal Disney wanted would have which would have covered more than just the MCU Spider Man movies.

This not to say Sony are great, they aren't and always find ways to fuck them self over, but this isn't one of those cases.
Here are a few of those cases, shows issues with making "new" franchises
They tried to make Ghostbusters into a cinematic universe with a planned Slime spin off but that movie was shit and killed that idea, the awful marketing and costing way more than it should have (a common trend during the amy pascal era of Sony) also helped to kill that idea, right now they trying to reboot it again but this time with a smaller budget, making it a sequel to the original movies and not making the movie be 90& bad improv.

Men in Black was fucked over twice, first with Men in Black 3 which cost around $225 million before marketing and grossed around $625 million world wide, so not awful but the budget was again way too high, they also didn't have a script finished before the movie started filming. Director Barry Sonnenfeld, and stars Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones blame the producers and refuse to work with them on a Men In Black 4, they are also the reason give by Sonnenfeld why 2 and 3 aren't good. So Sony when with a soft reboot called Men in Black: International staring the leads of Thor 3, the budget was right this time being $110 million however the movie was even more shit than the past two and only grossed $253 million world wide, so with marketing costs would be shocked if they made money, director F. Gary Gray also blames the produces for the movie being shit, he nearly walked away at one point with the changes they were making to the script, worth noting the producers did reshoots and had the final cut. Also a Men in Black Jump Street was planned and killed.

Goosebumps 2 was pretty low budget at around $35 million and only grossed $93 worldwide, so hard to say if it made any profit however the first one made over $150, so Sony would want to see a growth in the series, they made the issue putting out the movie the same time Jack Black the star of the first movie new kids "horror" movie out meaning they eat into each others sales, second issue was it's the same movie of the first movie and nothing new thus hurting word of month. Right now no plans for a 3rd one.

The Girl in the Spider's Web, they waited too long make a follow up to David Fincher's The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo which did pretty well with a world wide gross $232 million, so by the time they make one they replace everyone and skip to the fourth book, the movie mostly got bad or meh review which is a death nail for the type of people who see these types of movies, had they started sooner and keep the David Fincher cast they could have had an alright series going. in term of box office gross

The Dark Tower, too many thing to list that went wrong, but here is a few, bad script, race changing the main character for no reason, not being based on any of the book but a sequel to them thus missing any character development. Was meant to be a big franchise for Sony with multiple movies plan along with a TV show, in 2018 Amazon bought they rights and is rebooting it as a TV show.

Robocop 2014, funny thing the movie didn't do awful it made $243 million world wide on a budget of $100 million, so unless marketing costs were bad shit should have brought in some money, however the reaction of the movie wasn't great so likely a Robocop 2 would have flopped even if they did fix the issues with the first one. Total Recall remake they did is pretty similar apart it flopped and got even worse reviews, were plans for a follow up before it flopped.

The crossover getting canned bums me out 'cuz Jump Street was like the only good films they ever put out.
 
I am not upset over Spider-Man not being in any more MCU crossover movies. At all. I'm okay with that. In fact, after Far From Home, I couldn't care less about Spidey's involvement with the New Avengers. I want to see HIS story continued though.

I just don't trust Sony with full creative control because they haven't made a great live action Spider-Man movie by themselves since Spider-Man 2 (in 2004). They have fucked it up time and time again, and if Venom is any indication for what's to come ... Then I'm tapping out.

Which would suck, because I love Spider-Man. He's always been my fave.
 
It should be pointed out that Sony gave Disney full merchandising and theme park rights for Spider-man in exchange for not having to pay any more licensing fees to make more Spider-man movies. The merchandising trade might seem short sighted, but Sony has never been good at promoting toys and they would see Disney’s contribution as free advertising. So Disney is basically wanting 50% of the film profits (with a 50% financing commitment) while they also get 100% of the profits from merchandise. That is ludicrous.
 
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