“Snob Music” or “Pretentious Music” Thread - Experimental, Avant-Garde, Weird Music, Dissonant Music, whatever.

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I love Koenjihyakkei. Most people find them unlistenable, but to me, their shit's jazzy as hell. I used to build ships in Starmade and do Minecraft builds and shit while listening to Zeuhl and RIO stuff like Magma and Univers Zero because it put me in a sort of block-stacking autistic hyperfocus trance.




Hellspawn dijo:
This is the most pretentious I've seen.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HTV_-R0We9c
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I don't actually dislike that conceptually. I do, however, object to the mixing. The drums are so muted. So subdued. Is that a fucking felt beater? Why? I know they're mostly demoing the synthesizer, but something like this demands for the percussion to be front and center in the mix, like some crazy Damon Che or Zach Hill solo to go with the crazy-ass synths.

Teenage Engineering build some good shit, though:

 
eDove dijo:
Your music tastes are based. More and more, I like music that is considered weird. What I really like is passion. I can tell when a band is radio-baiting 'cause there's a distinct lack of soul — and I acknowledge that is a very pretentious statement, but you get what I mean. I'll enjoy a schlocky breakup song if there's a genuine story and an emotion behind it.

There're only a few musicians I consider to be truly pretentious. Most of the time, it's the fans making it out to be more important than it is. Tool, for example. I think people should freely listen to whatever they enjoy, regardless of its "depth," mastery, or simplicity

I'm a big fan of Fiona Apple. My sister and I actually study her music and lyrics to an autistic degree. Her Idler Wheel album easily falls under the realms of what most would call pretentious, but it's a really impressive feat of genre-melding, colors, textures, blah, blah, blah. Apparently, she was one of Kanye West's greatest inspirations.

I don't know if Death Grips is pretentious, but it's certainly experimental. Some of their songs slap. Portishead is another favorite of mine, as is Elysian Fields, Queens of the Stone Age + Them Crooked Vultures.

As you mentioned, Scott Walker might fall under that umbrella too, but the man was a genius. His song "Clara" is terrifying and despite its length, feels almost short. Highly recommend using headphones or a nice speaker for those who haven't heard it before.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QCNJAd6h_Ec
As for your question, I say screw those people. Yeah, they make us look bad. My favorite bands' audiences are oversaturated with insufferable people I'd never want to hang out with, but if you like the band's stuff, no one can take that away from you. As long as you recognize that listening to it doesn't make you a better person, you're fine. I've known people who accused me of having shit music tastes because it wasn't the exact esoteric, arcane thing they listen to.

@Baptiste XIX RoseOfSharyn, we should become music buddies 'cause you seem to get it. I'm always on the prowl for new music. If you have any albums you'd recommend, send them to me.

You wouldn't have happened to hear Daughter's You Won't Get What You Want album, right? That's an extremely fun album. Anthony Fagtano might've given it five stars or whatever, but you can ignore that. This album is scary and it goes off the rails.
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I did listen to that Daughters album, it seems after a few years passed there has been a little backlash on the album with people feeling like the album was overrated, having relistened to it, I honestly still really enjoy the album, although it has gained abit of a more disturbing angle with how one of the bandmembers turned out to be an actual psychopath who allegedly horribly abused Lingua Ignota another great musician in the Noise/Industrial scene, the music seems to reflect his inner mind a lot more in retrospect.
But I personally don’t let that bother me considering I literally occasionally listen to the first album made by Charles Manson.

To be perfectly honest, I don’t think alot of this music is truly Pretentious, I mostly used the word Pretentious because it is commonly associated with this type of music.
To be completely honest, most Pretentious music is usually mainstream, in the likes of The Fray, AJR, or James Blunt, musicians that aren’t Experimental whatsoever, but holy FUCK their lyrics are hotshit & their faux emotional aesthetic comes off as pretentious with how often these bands go on about how their bland mopey basic ass music is important for how deep it is, when it’s as deep as a fucking Lifetime Channel movie.
I don’t hate Pop, infact I think it gets more shit than it deserves cause there is some diamonds in the rough like St. Vincent, Kacey Musgraves, & honestly even modern day Taylor Swift’s Folk albums are pretty good with how much she has matured past the whole “Nicegirl”-life crisis she pulled off.
But holy fuck, mid 2000s to early 2010s mopey ass Piano Rock/Pop Rock/Psuedo-Soft Rock can go fuck itself with it’s self-importance & pretentious “we’re helping the world with our shit music” attitude.

Man, that whole rant was autistic, fuck it, still posting it anyways.

I haven’t heard too many songs from Fiona Apple, but the few I did hear I really enjoyed, very almost Nick Cave-esque style Piano Rock & Dark Cabaret style music with surprisingly deep sounding lyrics I have yet to fully decipher.

Also, I fucking adore Queens of The Stone Age, although I wouldn’t call them Experimental by any means, although, I would say they have a sort of Arthouse aesthetic to their Music Videos & strange lyricism, but other than that, they make some of the best Stoner Rock/Alt Rock that has graced Rock Radio Station, I even really enjoyed their last album Villains which wasn’t much Stoner Rock at all, taking on a more Garage Rock Revival sounding form of Hard Alternative Rock.

I have only heard a few songs from Scott Walker, those few both being from his amazing albeit Theatrical era of Baroque Pop, & his terrifyingly brilliant side of Post-Industrial/Experimental music, his late era dark music captures a certain darkness only bands like early SWANS has accomplished, which is why I loved his later stuff so much, cause I was already a big fan of Filth & Cop by SWANS, two incredibly dark, abrasive, & heavy Noisey Industrial No Wave albums with beautifully nihilistic lyrics.

I don’t believe Death Grips themselves are pretentious, although I think a lot of their fans are… particularly the Fantano Fanbase…
Death Grips to me always came off as a musical group that didn’t give a shit about anything & wanted to make crazy obscene weird abstract offensive music for the sake of making crazy obscene weird abstract offensive music, much like their predecessors of crazy musicians making crazy music in the likes of Butthole Surfers, Primus, & Frank Zappa.

Overall, I’d say your music taste is based too, not because it matches mine but because it shows you’re willing to step out of the usual boundaries to discover music you may or may not like, but you try anyways regardless of whether feeling like you may dislike it or not.
I try to avoid jumping on bandwagons, as I used to follow the train that Lulu by MetallicA sucks, & yeah that album still sucks, but it sorta sucks in a new perspective that I am glad I gained, everybody simply said it was awful but never said why, but having listened, I gained a better perspective that it was a very very… Messy project with MetallicA attempting to create an Artsy Metal album with Lou Reed reading spoken word poetry over MetallicA playing Experimental Metal.
 
I think the right word you're looking for is indie music
 
MysticLord dijo:
I grew up searching for good music and who inadvertently became a music hipster. The difference between someone who appreciates music and a hipster is:
  • The former has opinions on the subject that they can defend in an argument, even if it's just, "I like how it makes me feel."
  • The latter can only make arguments which suggest that certain opinions are high status (mine), and others are low status (not mine).
That said, I threw away the spreadsheet I made when I was kid that had all the bands, albums, and songs I heard at random and which I liked because I'm too old to care. Sometimes I wish I kept it. I have no musical training and I'm too old for it to matter - my arguments for or against certain things are limited by this to say the least.

Song Tax:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=El40ebDJy1AI had a dream about this song when I was 16. In this dream I was in a dark ballroom dancing some sort of formal, complicated, and very taxing European dance with a masked teenage girl and other dancers. There were candle holders dangling from barely visible golden cords in the ceiling, which cast light through gold and green stained glass. They seemed to float in the air, and the pattern on the dancers and the floor was like that of a fire at night yet also reminiscent of sunlight under a forest canopy shifting in the wind.
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Very nice song, I had never heard of The Appleseed Cast before, the song at first sounded like Post-Rock but then turned into a well structured Midwest Emo song when the very Indie style singing came in.

Also, that is a very visually appealing sounding dream, I don’t think I had had many dreams where real life songs seeped into my head while dreaming, I only remember a couple of moments when as a kid the sounds of my TV playing a Cartoon influenced my Dreams.
 
AnOminous dijo:
No Godspeed You! Black Emperor?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=V9Ty3YnWN80No Sunn O)))?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=COz1DFfBgcc
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Tried out Godspeed You! Black Emperor while out on long atmospheric walks, I can say their 10/10 ratings are deserved, F♯A♯∞ has become one of my new all time favorite albums & I can say has gotten me into Post-Rock.

As for sunn O))) I have not given them a full try yet, infact I haven’t heard many Drone albums at all, closest I suppose I ever got to Drone was listening to Brian Eno’s Ambient albums, which I must say are pretty good Ambient albums.
 
i quite like tom waits after his "mainstream" period in the 70's to mid 80's myself. swordfishtrombones and everything after is amazingly unique and enjoyable, and i really hope he puts out another album before he kicks the bucket.
 
Baptiste XIX RoseOfSharyn dijo:
I don’t know why, but I feel like the actual Frank Zappa would agree with you, & I don’t know if he’d be serious or not.
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he would never agree in public on it, he was an epic troll and those never tell people they are trolls.

He also was realy good at music and just didnt care about make it sound nice...

 
bonadish dijo:
this was a cool find i recently had :-)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LQHuKQEkuik
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That brought back a memory for me. The duo did a great remix of an Of Montreal song called "You Are an Airplane," which, unfortunately, became awkward since 9/11 occurred the year after that compilation was released. But I liked their hipster, electronic pop sound at the time.
 
The Token Ethnic dijo:
That brought back a memory for me. The duo did a great remix of an Of Montreal song called "You Are an Airplane," which, unfortunately, became awkward since 9/11 occurred the year after that compilation was released. But I liked their hipster, electronic pop sound at the time.
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woah, what? is the cover uploaded anywhere? i’d love to hear it.
 
bonadish dijo:
woah, what? is the cover uploaded anywhere? i’d love to hear it.
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It's on the Kindercore Fifty compilation. It's on Archive, but the audio isn't available for download or streaming. I'll check if I have it in storage, and if not, I'll buy a used copy on Discogs. I'll share it with you in about a month, so send me a reminder to make sure I don't forget.
 
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