SJW Art and Extremes

[Valstrax]

i now finally have a reason to post that black Ribbon rp thing
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can't find the og image, i just went through the fireden archive to find what I was looking for

There is no God. Only Tumblr.

 

[scathefire]

I can sense some Kirby fans I know crying when I saw this.

Spoiler

If you desecrate the Kirby franchise, I'll rat you out to God and have you sent S T R A I G H T to Hell, to be personally chewed on by Lucifer.

In all seriousness though, it hurts me so much that people actually do this... I thought it was mostly safe because a lot of the characters aren't that human-like to begin with. I should probably get used to it since they also do it to Mario/Zelda/etc.

 

[Valstrax]

GOD HAS OFFICIALLY LEFT THE SERVER

Spoiler

If you desecrate the Kirby franchise, I'll rat you out to God and have you sent S T R A I G H T to Hell, to be personally chewed on by Lucifer.

In all seriousness though, it hurts me so much that people actually do this... I thought it was mostly safe because a lot of the characters aren't that human-like to begin with. I should probably get used to it since they also do it to Mario/Zelda/etc.

They're called 'gijinkas' from my knowledge.

 

[ISO'os]

GOD HAS OFFICIALLY LEFT THE SERVER

I have never been hurt by an image so much before

 

[Lopt]

Idk who the blue haired dude is supposed to be but he looks like an emo SoundCloud rapper.

 

[Valstrax]

Time to play: Guess the Character!

 

[burlap dress]

Time to play: Guess the Character!

taako

 

[Valstrax]

taako

You're right.

 

[Dismaying Tree]

Time to play: Guess the Character!

I know nothing about The Adventure Zone other than all the fanart of it makes the characters fuck ugly and I get so incredibly tired whenever I see it cross my dash/timeline/wherever the fuck else.

 

[TokiBun]

Why do we need modern redesigns of the Heathers let it be ‘80’s cheese goddamn it

 

[Hummingbird]

Ver archivo adjunto 542083 Why do we need modern redesigns of the Heathers let it be ‘80’s cheese goddamn it

I'm curious why the one in the middle's right elbow looks like it's part of her shoulder and has a skin tone that no one in real life naturally has.

 

[zetaplus]

Hi, I am researching about internet art culture for a project and that includes the SJW arts. What events, artists, or anything really that is essential to include for understanding this topic? I've been lurking for a couple months now and what i can gather, this "art movement" started around 2015?? with something homestuck related?..I hope for your cooperation, thank you.

 

[goma]

Hi, I am researching about internet art culture for a project and that includes the SJW arts. What events, artists, or anything really that is essential to include for understanding this topic? I've been lurking for a couple months now and what i can gather, this "art movement" started around 2015?? with something homestuck related?..I hope for your cooperation, thank you.

I would say the subversion and furthermore fetishization of non-traditional and ugly features, creating truly repulsive art.

 

[Meowthkip]

Hi, I am researching about internet art culture for a project and that includes the SJW arts. What events, artists, or anything really that is essential to include for understanding this topic? I've been lurking for a couple months now and what i can gather, this "art movement" started around 2015?? with something homestuck related?..I hope for your cooperation, thank you.

A lot of it traces back to Homestuck.

There's always been this kind of nomadic general fandom that's perpetually full of horny teenage girls that moves from one property to the next, never sticking around for too long. Homestuck was a rare example of them not only all getting into the exact same thing at the exact same time, but also the longest they stayed in a fandom. Once the first great Giga-Pause happened, the nomadic fandom, now all Homestucks, branched out into every other popular fandom and took their ideas with them. And it was the Homestuck fandom where these weird ideas were fostered.

The idea that characters could be any race and you could just announce it as if it were fact? This was due to the kids in Homestuck being literal white avatars, a step up from the stick figures of Problem Sleuth. People started asking Andrew Hussie what race they were, and Hussie answered along the lines of "whatever you want them to be."

This paved the way for all kinds of highly varied takes on the characters. Fat, skinny, tall, short, black, white, brown, and whatever, all of it was applied. Around this time that one photoset of a Suicide Girl model with vitiligo made the rounds on Tumblr and got a ton of reblogs. So that's how vitiligo seeped in. Every single interpretation was considered "correct..." unless you thought they were all white. That was lead to the huge "Caucasian/Peachy" controversy where Hussie tried to make a joke out of the fandom's fixation on the race of these characters.

Unfortunately, I can't name any big names off the top of my head because, at the time, I was still very much rooted in the TF2 fandom and community, where this cancer took a bit longer to seep in. But after that Giga Pause, this cluster of fans obsessed with identity politics spread out, and infected everything they touched with these unspoken rules. The nomadic fandom has since attracted less of the squeeing yaoi fangirls, and more of the virtuous SJWs coming to save other fans from themselves by deliberately baiting and humiliating them for not playing along with their games. Lately, declaring yourself a lesbian has been very popular. I'm not sure how much of that was influenced by Steven Universe (a show Tumblr barely cared about until the season finale that revealed Garnet was a fusion, and thus two alien rock lesbians) and Legend of Korra (which ended with the two female leads holding hands and going to tour the Spirit Realm). As far as the fandom entitlement, that goes back even further to 2009 with Glee, where the writers decided to make two minor characters lesbians because fans would ask about it. Since then, as social media grows bigger and faster, the sense of entitlement of these fans has also ballooned.

It's been a weird thing to watch happen, honestly. Fan entitlement + gender non-conformity as a subculture has made the fandom even more caustic than it had ever been before.

 

[Trilby]

A lot of it traces back to Homestuck.

There's always been this kind of nomadic general fandom that's perpetually full of horny teenage girls that moves from one property to the next, never sticking around for too long. Homestuck was a rare example of them not only all getting into the exact same thing at the exact same time, but also the longest they stayed in a fandom. Once the first great Giga-Pause happened, the nomadic fandom, now all Homestucks, branched out into every other popular fandom and took their ideas with them. And it was the Homestuck fandom where these weird ideas were fostered.

The idea that characters could be any race and you could just announce it as if it were fact? This was due to the kids in Homestuck being literal white avatars, a step up from the stick figures of Problem Sleuth. People started asking Andrew Hussie what race they were, and Hussie answered along the lines of "whatever you want them to be."

This paved the way for all kinds of highly varied takes on the characters. Fat, skinny, tall, short, black, white, brown, and whatever, all of it was applied. Around this time that one photoset of a Suicide Girl model with vitiligo made the rounds on Tumblr and got a ton of reblogs. So that's how vitiligo seeped in. Every single interpretation was considered "correct..." unless you thought they were all white. That was lead to the huge "Caucasian/Peachy" controversy where Hussie tried to make a joke out of the fandom's fixation on the race of these characters.

Unfortunately, I can't name any big names off the top of my head because, at the time, I was still very much rooted in the TF2 fandom and community, where this cancer took a bit longer to seep in. But after that Giga Pause, this cluster of fans obsessed with identity politics spread out, and infected everything they touched with these unspoken rules. The nomadic fandom has since attracted less of the squeeing yaoi fangirls, and more of the virtuous SJWs coming to save other fans from themselves by deliberately baiting and humiliating them for not playing along with their games. Lately, declaring yourself a lesbian has been very popular. I'm not sure how much of that was influenced by Steven Universe (a show Tumblr barely cared about until the season finale that revealed Garnet was a fusion, and thus two alien rock lesbians) and Legend of Korra (which ended with the two female leads holding hands and going to tour the Spirit Realm). As far as the fandom entitlement, that goes back even further to 2009 with Glee, where the writers decided to make two minor characters lesbians because fans would ask about it. Since then, as social media grows bigger and faster, the sense of entitlement of these fans has also ballooned.

It's been a weird thing to watch happen, honestly. Fan entitlement + gender non-conformity as a subculture has made the fandom even more caustic than it had ever been before.

This, this right here says everything. Everything that has made the past decade so unbearable to me.

 

[zetaplus]

A lot of it traces back to Homestuck.

There's always been this kind of nomadic general fandom that's perpetually full of horny teenage girls that moves from one property to the next, never sticking around for too long. Homestuck was a rare example of them not only all getting into the exact same thing at the exact same time, but also the longest they stayed in a fandom. Once the first great Giga-Pause happened, the nomadic fandom, now all Homestucks, branched out into every other popular fandom and took their ideas with them. And it was the Homestuck fandom where these weird ideas were fostered.

The idea that characters could be any race and you could just announce it as if it were fact? This was due to the kids in Homestuck being literal white avatars, a step up from the stick figures of Problem Sleuth. People started asking Andrew Hussie what race they were, and Hussie answered along the lines of "whatever you want them to be."

This paved the way for all kinds of highly varied takes on the characters. Fat, skinny, tall, short, black, white, brown, and whatever, all of it was applied. Around this time that one photoset of a Suicide Girl model with vitiligo made the rounds on Tumblr and got a ton of reblogs. So that's how vitiligo seeped in. Every single interpretation was considered "correct..." unless you thought they were all white. That was lead to the huge "Caucasian/Peachy" controversy where Hussie tried to make a joke out of the fandom's fixation on the race of these characters.

Unfortunately, I can't name any big names off the top of my head because, at the time, I was still very much rooted in the TF2 fandom and community, where this cancer took a bit longer to seep in. But after that Giga Pause, this cluster of fans obsessed with identity politics spread out, and infected everything they touched with these unspoken rules. The nomadic fandom has since attracted less of the squeeing yaoi fangirls, and more of the virtuous SJWs coming to save other fans from themselves by deliberately baiting and humiliating them for not playing along with their games. Lately, declaring yourself a lesbian has been very popular. I'm not sure how much of that was influenced by Steven Universe (a show Tumblr barely cared about until the season finale that revealed Garnet was a fusion, and thus two alien rock lesbians) and Legend of Korra (which ended with the two female leads holding hands and going to tour the Spirit Realm). As far as the fandom entitlement, that goes back even further to 2009 with Glee, where the writers decided to make two minor characters lesbians because fans would ask about it. Since then, as social media grows bigger and faster, the sense of entitlement of these fans has also ballooned.

It's been a weird thing to watch happen, honestly. Fan entitlement + gender non-conformity as a subculture has made the fandom even more caustic than it had ever been before.

Wow, thanks a lot. This helps me greatly

 

[Bani]

A lot of it traces back to Homestuck.

@zetaplus

There's always been this kind of nomadic general fandom that's perpetually full of horny teenage girls that moves from one property to the next, never sticking around for too long. Homestuck was a rare example of them not only all getting into the exact same thing at the exact same time, but also the longest they stayed in a fandom. Once the first great Giga-Pause happened, the nomadic fandom, now all Homestucks, branched out into every other popular fandom and took their ideas with them. And it was the Homestuck fandom where these weird ideas were fostered.

The idea that characters could be any race and you could just announce it as if it were fact? This was due to the kids in Homestuck being literal white avatars, a step up from the stick figures of Problem Sleuth. People started asking Andrew Hussie what race they were, and Hussie answered along the lines of "whatever you want them to be."

This paved the way for all kinds of highly varied takes on the characters. Fat, skinny, tall, short, black, white, brown, and whatever, all of it was applied. Around this time that one photoset of a Suicide Girl model with vitiligo made the rounds on Tumblr and got a ton of reblogs. So that's how vitiligo seeped in. Every single interpretation was considered "correct..." unless you thought they were all white. That was lead to the huge "Caucasian/Peachy" controversy where Hussie tried to make a joke out of the fandom's fixation on the race of these characters.

Unfortunately, I can't name any big names off the top of my head because, at the time, I was still very much rooted in the TF2 fandom and community, where this cancer took a bit longer to seep in. But after that Giga Pause, this cluster of fans obsessed with identity politics spread out, and infected everything they touched with these unspoken rules. The nomadic fandom has since attracted less of the squeeing yaoi fangirls, and more of the virtuous SJWs coming to save other fans from themselves by deliberately baiting and humiliating them for not playing along with their games. Lately, declaring yourself a lesbian has been very popular. I'm not sure how much of that was influenced by Steven Universe (a show Tumblr barely cared about until the season finale that revealed Garnet was a fusion, and thus two alien rock lesbians) and Legend of Korra (which ended with the two female leads holding hands and going to tour the Spirit Realm). As far as the fandom entitlement, that goes back even further to 2009 with Glee, where the writers decided to make two minor characters lesbians because fans would ask about it. Since then, as social media grows bigger and faster, the sense of entitlement of these fans has also ballooned.

It's been a weird thing to watch happen, honestly. Fan entitlement + gender non-conformity as a subculture has made the fandom even more caustic than it had ever been before.

Not to be That Guy but this basically paraphrases a post I made about 200 pages ago.

I actually had the misfortune of being in this fandom when it happened. I like the way you put it, though, that Homestuck wasn't so much where it started as it was where it unified- it was the first time these people happened to coalesce en-masse. The wave of obsession with identity politics hit Tumblr at almost the exact time Homestuck was at its peak, and the teenage subscribers of that school of thought only had one place to regurgitate their politics- their fandom. What germinated after that was a massive, autistic echo chamber full of people patting each other on the back not for the quality of their art but for the "nuance" of their headcanons.

The resulting controversy caused Hussie to bleep literally every reference to race in the comic for about half a year. He relented after coming to the sensible realization that he should not be allowing teenagers with a tenuous grip on social politics to dictate how he made his art. The dude's a douche (for different, unrelated reasons), but I think restoring the comic to its original, non-censored state was a good call. Steven Universe is what happens when artists become a bunch of doormats who let fans tell them how to maximize political correctness.

Depressingly, most of the proto-SJWs from the Homestuck fandom years ago are now adults in their late teens or early twenties, whose artwork has now been permanently damaged by a fad that favored completely non-artistic principles. Thousands of people are now stepping onto art school campuses with portfolios full of the sort of garbage shown in this thread, but with no regard for anatomy, composition, color theory, or any other practical art skills. Yet they have the audacity to "redesign" characters created by professionals with actual knowledge of these things, thinking that the only relevant aspect of a character design is how "diverse" or "politically correct" it is.

There are two options for these people now- get weeded out by the system and decide against art as a career, or get hired by studios caving in to this fad. I hope for everyone's sake that the majority of them experience and the former and not the latter. I'm sick of racist caricatures being thinly veiled as diversity and treated as the only alternative to same face syndrome. I'm sick of talent-less hacks like Erica Henderson replacing comic artists with actual skill because they're the "most woke". I'm sick of hideous styles like Rory's becoming the status quo at animation studios. I'm stick of these brats trying to tear down every piece of amazing art that doesn't bend to their whims and conform to their standards of "political correctness".

But most importantly, I'm sick of art not being about fucking art! Art isn't about diversity or political correctness! Art is about whatever the fuck the artist wants it to be about. If someone wants to draw a bunch of skinny white chicks with giant tits getting raped by fucking goblins, that's their goddamn prerogative. You don't have to like it, but you do have to respect their freedom to do it.

 

[TowinKarz]

Both those posts also I think help me piece together why the furry community (and it's art tastes) are so repugnant... that "travelling nomadic" group of exhibitionists and sex fetishists who'd been tossed out of all the other fandoms and cons throughout the 80's and prior needed a place to land.... and that, combined with the internet reaching a critical mass in the early 90s' where it became big enough to support subcultures, meant they were able to infest what had been a niche community and wholly wrench it from it's members and creators and recast it as a place for their deviant smut, dressed as a "lifestyle" normies couldn't understand...... and the high number of socially-inept, nerds and other subscribers to the Geek Social Fallacy of "never exclude a fellow social misfit" meant the most deviant of the bunch ended up in charge.

 

[Meowthkip]

Not to be That Guy but this basically paraphrases a post I made about 200 pages ago.

I actually had the misfortune of being in this fandom when it happened. I like the way you put it, though, that Homestuck wasn't so much where it started as it was where it unified- it was the first time these people happened to coalesce en-masse. The wave of obsession with identity politics hit Tumblr at almost the exact time Homestuck was at its peak, and the teenage subscribers of that school of thought only had one place to regurgitate their politics- their fandom. What germinated after that was a massive, autistic echo chamber full of people patting each other on the back not for the quality of their art but for the "nuance" of their headcanons.

The resulting controversy caused Hussie to bleep literally every reference to race in the comic for about half a year. He relented after coming to the sensible realization that he should not be allowing teenagers with a tenuous grip on social politics to dictate how he made his art. The dude's a douche (for different, unrelated reasons), but I think restoring the comic to its original, non-censored state was a good call. Steven Universe is what happens when artists become a bunch of doormats who let fans tell them how to maximize political correctness.

Depressingly, most of the proto-SJWs from the Homestuck fandom years ago are now adults in their late teens or early twenties, whose artwork has now been permanently damaged by a fad that favored completely non-artistic principles. Thousands of people are now stepping onto art school campuses with portfolios full of the sort of garbage shown in this thread, but with no regard for anatomy, composition, color theory, or any other practical art skills. Yet they have the audacity to "redesign" characters created by professionals with actual knowledge of these things, thinking that the only relevant aspect of a character design is how "diverse" or "politically correct" it is.

There are two options for these people now- get weeded out by the system and decide against art as a career, or get hired by studios caving in to this fad. I hope for everyone's sake that the majority of them experience and the former and not the latter. I'm sick of racist caricatures being thinly veiled as diversity and treated as the only alternative to same face syndrome. I'm sick of talent-less hacks like Erica Henderson replacing comic artists with actual skill because they're the "most woke". I'm sick of hideous styles like Rory's becoming the status quo at animation studios. I'm stick of these brats trying to tear down every piece of amazing art that doesn't bend to their whims and conform to their standards of "political correctness".

But most importantly, I'm sick of art not being about fucking art! Art isn't about diversity or political correctness! Art is about whatever the fuck the artist wants it to be about. If someone wants to draw a bunch of skinny white chicks with giant tits getting raped by fucking goblins, that's their goddamn prerogative. You don't have to like it, but you do have to respect their freedom to do it.

Sorry about the paraphrasing. I don't remember that particular post but honestly, I was drawing from my own experience watching the fandom as an observer, having been involved in fandom and the internet well before Homestuck happened, and, funnily enough, having started reading Homestuck on day one, as I had gotten Problem Sleuth towards the end of its run. Sorry about that. I didn't want to sound like I was ripping you off.

I share your sentiments, though. There's a lot of artists I can think of that do ugly-looking art that works great that have gotten very popular. It's going to be very interesting to look back on this in 10-15 years and this period of time where amateur artists were churning out purposely ugly art and insisting, to the viewer, that it is not only beautiful, but more accurate than more idealized depictions of humans, like with anime. 10-15 years ago you had a ton of teenagers striving to copy anime and the look of it, which could go from the hyper-muscled figures of Dragonball Z and Fist of the North Star to the delicate, waifish nymphs of shoujo anime. These body types are both seen as things to aspire to, as fantasies for the viewer or reader to live out vicariously through these idealized characters. As many artists of that period grew out of that phase, you see a lot of rebellion against it, taking the characters that are designed for mass appeal and uglifying them, saying that their depictions of these characters are "more realistic."

In reality, both depictions are unrealistic, but one is much more commercially appealing, and the other feels more reminiscent of underground comics, but without any of the humor, charm or bawdiness. The result is sort of an uneasy in-between of ugly art that wants to be cute but also wants to still be ugly so that it can challenge beauty norms. Instead of getting a genuinely ugly-cute style, you just get these brown, blobby messes.

Eventually, this wave of art will give way to the next generation of artists applying their own values to their art. There's been a lot of talk of Gen Z probably going to be more conservative than Millennials, so that will certainly be interesting to watch. But for now... we got fat, black anime characters with stretch marks and leg hair, looking like bastardized R. Crumb tributes.

 

[Sonya-chan]

Ver archivo adjunto 542083 Why do we need modern redesigns of the Heathers let it be ‘80’s cheese goddamn it

I thought it was the powerpuff girls