Should the "Humanities" subjects exist?

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Speaking as a scientist, the entire scientific field owes its existence to the humanities.
They should stay. The bullshit "disciplines" that emerged only after the 50's should definitely go.

Eh. Vonnegut said “During the Vietnam War, every respectable artist in this country was against the war. It was like a laser beam. We were all aimed in the same direction. The power of this weapon turns out to be that of a custard pie dropped from a stepladder six feet high.”

So we should leave the new discipline humanities people where they are, and let them spin in their own world. No harm, no foul.

Humanities (history, philosophy, etc) should be taught in schools, otherwise you end up with a nation full of people who've gotten all their cultural and historical awareness from frantically-animated YouTube edutainment videos. Fuck if I'm going to learn Latin though.
 
If you learn the "dead" languages you can then go directly to source material to study history on your own, bypassing a lot of the bias.
Bias wasn't invented in the 20th century. The main primary source on the Peloponnesian Wars was a man exiled by one side for utter incompetence.

History needs more archaeology.

Humanities (history, philosophy, etc) should be taught in schools, otherwise you end up with a nation full of people who've gotten all their cultural and historical awareness from frantically-animated YouTube edutainment videos. Fuck if I'm going to learn Latin though.
The humanities are taught in schools and that's still what we ended up with.
 
School teachers are not mentally equipped to teach philosophy. It's so heavily based on your own views and interpretations. But logic would be good because it forms the roots of actual philosophy, with a good foundation of logic you can figure the rest of the shit out. And logic isn't open to interpretation, no matter how biased the teacher.

I remember any philosophy touched on in school was completely based on the teacher. Different teacher, entirely different take. They were just pushing their own ideologies.
 
Bias wasn't invented in the 20th century. The main primary source on the Peloponnesian Wars was a man exiled by one side for utter incompetence.

History needs more archaeology.
Eh, I can see that.
Still, the bias gets a lot worse if you're cycling through multiple people. At least with only one person you can somewhat account for the bias because you know what direction they're going to lean. If you have to deal with the bias of translators and interpretations of the translations, it becomes a lot harder to know in which direction to adjust your view.
 
should they exist? yes - as niche hobbies for rich snobs with too much time and money, like opera houses.
should they be a mandatory part of higher education and get state funding? definitely not.
Depends on the part of the Humanities. They're pretty broad. I think any citizen ought to have a firm grounding in civics and at least a cursory knowledge of the history of their nation.
 
Maybe we should stop telling people they need to have the skills that a 19th century relative of a noble needed to seem interesting at dinner parties to succeed in the workplace.

I don't understand why higher education is "Job training plus a million random other things unrelated to real life". I mean... I do understand why the institutions want that, a quote I heard from a teacher in high school was "The important part of college isn't learning the lessons, it's learning how to think" and I think that really exposes what it's all about. It's still about that class distinction. You need to know all this random art stuff so everyone knows you're not a filthy worker.
 
So what I'm reading from the thread is "yes the humanities and the like should exist, but we should scrap everything and restart from the 50's" and "anything outside of the STEM fields should require apprenticeships as part of its degree"

Am I reading right?
 
But logic would be good because it forms the roots of actual philosophy, with a good foundation of logic you can figure the rest of the shit out. And logic isn't open to interpretation, no matter how biased the teacher.
It's absolutely fucking criminal how completely THE WELL BALANCED AND GENERAL PURPOSE CURRICULUM bypasses formal logic of any kind, which are the only mechanism by which you can argue a well-developed truth. You learn math absent its meaning and science absent its soul.
Platonic knee-jerk hatred for anything with Aristotle's name on it also seems to be responsible for a modern education failing to effectively deliver rhetoric and the elements of circumstances (who, what, where, when, why, and how) to young audiences. These things seem to me to be the single means by which an unclever person can teach themself to be clever, but now we have a generation of wildly intelligent people with the mental agility of a crippled hippo and people sit and wonder why the modern man doesn't seem nearly so clever as the old.
The Greeks are a case study in this, since they in all likelihood were not magical superhumans with a bajillion IQ, but instead that it was every bit as under-par and poorly-fed as the rest of the planet was at the time. I would argue that their significant head-start was because they stumbled on a bunch of tools that could prepare and engage their brain in meaningful ways, ways that could help bypass the intrinsic biological limitations of their epigenetically underdeveloped brains more thoroughly than the tools of their contemporaries.

edit: Also the answer was no, we don't have shit as simple as the universe figured out, how the fuck are we going to karyotype an absolute monster like culture? It's a waste of good minds and good money that has consistently fought against QOL gains made by Capitalism, been abused by particularly malicious sorts to push agendas, or otherwise left everyone involved in shambles because of overly ambitious predictions and conclusions. That's not to say it has done no good, but rather that the small fractions of that branch of science that do good are so thoroughly outnumbered by the ones that do no good at all.
The human race survived the 20th century desperately fighting off "central planning for the sake of central planning" and the human race should have thought better than to try making a science of "central planning for the sake of central planning" after all that.
 
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