Should teenagers work? - Should teenagers be "learning to code" or working at McDonalds?

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I'm fairly well off financially, I have zero debt.

Yes, corporations are far more responsible for migrants and social justice than schools are. And most businesses will fuck their clients just as hard as schools fuck their students.

Money doesn't buy happiness, you still have to live in this dystopia.


That's closer to what I'm saying than the current system, but I'd trust the bookworm due to the issues with the medical system itself create the possibility that a medical apprentice might be sabotaged to make the professional look better or remove competition. I am cynical enough about human nature to want a centralized sort of organization to ensure that the industries advance technologically and are taught at a competent level.

Well, if you're going to bring back apprenticeships you do need an equivalent to guilds to accredit the apprentices.

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

most businesses will fuck their clients just as hard as schools fuck their students.

Your opinion is unusual and interesting, but at the end of the day, you will be the one who has to carry it home. Good luck.

PS Become the better business, and usurp their customers.

 

[Darksy DePhil]

Absolutely. Not only will it teach most of them how to be independent (something we really need in this age of coddling young people into oblivion) but it will also teach kids to learn about vital economic stuff like how to manage their money, or how to pay taxes.
You know, shit that schools should be teaching in the first place but apparently deem less important than retarded backhand minor historical trivia about egypt.

 

[Smolrolls]

Plus, it’ll give teens context in what “oppression” feels like having to work minimal wage with an overbearing boss, or know how to grow a pair working with actual men who don’t mind saying nigger at and with you while you're doing actual work. Or be more empathetic tp people who work at jobs like call centers and McDonalds since you were in their shoes, or footwears similar to theirs. At least teens get job experience and know the world isn’t roses and sunshines.

 

[Smolrolls]

The lack of studying usefully is because of how absolutely fucking useless modern schooling is. School doesn't exist now to make you a useful member of society, but instead a wagey. School will actually crush the drive out of people who have one. Homework is a fucking joke that kids either don't do at all, or just complete by regurgitating information without really learning it. It is entirely possible for someone to make high marks in school, and still come out the other end of it all being a dumbass.

Homework = Wikipedia

 

[Smolrolls]

Moreover, with how society is tripping over itself before landing on its own knife, youth aren't guided mentally or physically at that age either in glorified daycare, being instead taught to be good cogs instead of being good people.

Fuck school.

Say how would you make good people instead of good cogs.

Also, Amen

 

[Demonslayer1776]

Yes, but theres a number of things that should really happen in tandem. Working builds character, and would better prepare them for the real world. We also would ideally reduce the amount of cheap immigrant labor at the same time, as these types of low skill jobs that students should be working as are often used as an excuse for why we have to allow hordes of illegal immigrants into the country. I also think it would be beneficial to have some of them work apprenticeships/internships during this time, potentially even getting school credits and work time to do so. It would help direct many of these people towards actual careers, and hopefully reduce the number of people building debt and wasting 4 years in college. Many poorer students, especially in places like the inner cities, would benefit far more from learning how to do an actual job and starting early, rather than being sold some bullshit about how they need to go to college to become a debt slave for a degree they only need due to an overabundance of other job candidates with equally pointless degrees.

 

[Calandrino]

Economic needs change in pace with technology, sexual mores evolve. I don't see why we've allowed "rent boy" to become a dirty word.

 

[melty]

I have mixed feelings about it. I was extremely entrepreneurial as a kid and constantly trying to run some kind of small business for extra pocket money to buy crap. Lawn care, lemonade, selling artwork, party planning business, probably some others I don't remember. I was super greedy and enthusiastic about making money. However, we lived in bumfuck nowhere and had like 2 neighbors, neither of whom were interested in hiring a 10 year old to plan parties or even pull some weeds in their garden once in awhile.

By the time I was a teenager, I was extremely eager to start working. At this time I complained to some friends about how 14 years olds should be able to work and they told me that's a terrible idea because their parents would just force them to work and take all their money. I had never thought about it like that and it was pretty humbling, my parents weren't exactly well off or that great but they still wouldn't do something like that.

So now I wonder if the value is really there aside from the few kids like I was who are actually eager to get into working. The only kids I knew who really made it work had parents who already ran a business and taught them those skills. There's also just such a prevailing narrative that if you're remotely promising you need to stop everything else you're doing and go into STEM. I probably would have been a lot happier in business school or in a trade but muh women in STEM, muh STEM is literally the most important thing in the world ever.

 

[Cabelaz]

Every teenager should join the military. Learn to shoot a gun, protect your brothers, and put up with bullshit.
If you know what you want from the military, it's one of the best experiences a man can do.
You learn to show up on time, you learn to make your bed, and you learn how to follow directions.
All basic skills sorely lacking with today's populace.

 

[L50LasPak]

My opinion of this turned out to be more complicated than I thought. My kneejerk reaction was Yes since in my rural area most of the jobs they would be likely to get are simpyl, do not require too much responsibility and are not overtly soul-crushing unless they decide to work full time for some ungodly reason. In a city environment though where the jobs are significantly shittier wageslave garbage or unpaid internships (which should be illegal in my opinion) all letting someone into the workforce early will do is turn them into another disposable drone. I don't really know precisely where to put my foot down on this one in retrospect.

 

[Rungle]

You should get a retail job when you are a teenager.
My parents are pretty wealthy but forced me to pay for my college, so I got a job at the McDonalds near my school.
Im not going to bore you with my multiple engaging experiences there; I posted some in the personal lolcow thread, however.
I made like 300 bucks a month working the weekend shifts every week, 130 would go to my college, and the rest was for myself to jerk away.
I would freak the fuck out if I got paid less or I didn't have to work for the weekend because that would mean less income, a feeling you often also get when you're an adult.
When I got fired from MacDonalds because of the corona, I had to hunt for a new job.
Without making me realize it at the time, my dad gave me a financial sandbox where he simulated the job hunt and the real meaning behind currency besides doing fun things.
I just thought my dad was an fucking asshole.

The point im trying to sell is that you should try to use your teenage years to prepare for your adult years.

 

[Lemmingwise]

there aside from the few kids like I was who are actually eager to get into working. The only kids I knew who really made it work had parents who already ran a business and taught them those skills. There's also just such a prevailing narrative that if you're remotely promising you need to stop everything else you're doing and go into STEM. I probably would have been a lot happier in business school or in a trade but muh women in STEM, muh STEM is literally the most important thing in the world ever

There are three reasons why having entrepeneurial parents means you're likely to do well entrepeneurially as a kid:

1. You have experienced advice when you need it
2. Your guardians have a supportive and positive view of what you're doing and know how to relate to it/ support it
And perhaps most importantly:

3. You have the DNA of entrepeneurial people. Personality type mainly, and enough IQ to figure things out.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

High school is even more of a joke then college is.

I'm not from the US, is the American education system really like High School Musical shows it?

 

[Unassuming Local Guy]

I'm not from the US, is the American education system really like High School Musical shows it?

I've never seen High School Musical, but based on the plot I'm going to say no, that's not realistic. At least the part where high school is the entire universe and everything you do in your day to day life is somehow connected to it. Most high schoolers just want to get the hell out at the end of the day and don't have any interest in extracurricular drama. However, having your entire teenage life revolve around high school was very common back in the late 60s to mid 90s, which is when everyone involved in making that movie went to high school.

Depending on where you are, there are four major types of public, non-charter school. Please keep in mind that none of this is a joke or an exaggeration, even though it sounds like it.

Type 1: Inner city type. Populated mostly by Disenfranchised And Oppressed Brown BIPOCs Of Color. The teachers don't even try. As long as nobody is stabbing each other, students are free to do whatever they want, which almost always means either not showing up at all or dancing to loud music during "class". The majority who graduate can barely read at an adult level, much less do math. If anyone points this out or attempts to improve the situation, they are cancelled for racism, because obviously the only reason the children are illiterate gang members is because white supremacy made them do it.

Type 2: Rural type. Students don't take it seriously but at least they show up. The atmosphere is cordial because everyone's families know each other. Middling to average overall education. Demographics match the surrounding area, which depending on location ranges from very white to very Latino. Those who graduate will be able to get a decent job and contribute to society, but don't expect excellence except by chance. Half of the girls will be mothers before graduation. If you're male and don't like sports you're "that weird kid who might be gay", but nobody will bully you for it unless you're in an extremely hickish area. Near 100% chance that the military will try to recruit you if you go here.

Type 3: Woke type. Overall quality of education in the hard sciences is good. All other classes are less than useless without a very good anti-wokeness filter. Almost all kids are white except for the token black kid in each class. Teachers will actively encourage anti-white racism. Expect at least one kid to kill themselves per year, after which everyone will pretend they have no idea how this could have possibly happened even though everyone knows exactly how. Teachers and especially administrators get paid suspiciously well. Can produce a good overall education if the parents are extremely aware of what is being taught and are constantly running interference to combat propaganda.

Type 4: Prestige type. Each state has a small handful, sometimes fewer. Teachers and administrators actually care, or at least pretend to in order to keep their jobs. Attended and run almost entirely by an equal mix of whites and Asians. Very tightly run ship, in part because of constant input from helicopter parents. Zero tolerance for bad behavior. Many parents will drive their kids half an hour or more every day to get them in this school. There are a fair number of geniuses, sociopaths, and sociopathic geniuses. Unless you have connections, are a non-Asian minority with good grades, or get extremely lucky, you do not go to this school.

 

[stares at error messages]

If teenagers want things, why wouldn't they be expected to earn their own money? It's not like their parents have unlimited financial resources. Even then, why would you want some spoiled dough-boy kid who doesn't know how much on an ass-hole every boss on the planet is. Yes, teenagers should have jobs or at the very least be expected to earn their own money.

By the way, teenagers are much more expensive then robots, so don't even bother applying to the classic after school jobs like McD and Starbucks. Those service positions are on their way out in the next decades and currently unemployable lib-tards need those positions to keep loan insurance down for the rest of us. (otherwise the lib-tards would just default and go to debtors prison and be a further burden on the society they hate.)

It seems like teenagers working is just a means of pushing mindless consumerism on a younger generation and getting cheap labor at the cost of the health and intelligence of future generations. I've met many younger people who struggle with technology, and any slightly difficult subject and I have to wonder how much of the dumbing down of society is a consequence of spending their time working retail instead of studying.

Perhaps the teenagers you encounter are working retail because they can't do any better. If they struggle with basic technology there probably really behind in math and other subjects that would let them become wage-cucks with a higher salary. No amount of studying can turn a dumb person into a smart person. But doing everything for a dumb person can teach them to be sociopathic and overly dependent on others. infantilising people just disables them and can cause the people to become resentful and more dis-functional then otherwise; in Vaknin psychology it's considered a form of abuse. The philosopher Ram Dass explains this dynamic quite elegantly.

It runs counter to my experience that this platitudinous and slip-trick thinking does anything but create the degenerating hug-box society that we have now in US. It makes parents sound very generous to subsidise their children though high-school and college, but it takes away their children's agency and cements the parent as a permanent care-giver to the child, which is not natural or healthy when the child is an adult. It's really a control that parents enact over their children preventing them from ever being independent. Independence is good for young people as it lets them learn from their mistakes, learn about what kind of people they are really destined to become, and can start families of their own and go on to uphold the mantel of the society that bore them. This is not happening in the sick and psychologically ill US; like a social disease that has spread by culture degenerating to extinction. Children never outgrow their parents and have to sell their bodies for sex to pay for participating in the US's high culture of wage-cucking at jobs that are distended to be automated away. Either be a slave to your parents or sex weirdos on the Internet is the life of the American. It is a disgusting state of affairs where their are no more ideas to come after whoring.