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Men should never cry.

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    Votos: 28 27.2%
  • No

    Votos: 75 72.8%

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In most traditionalist and socially conservative circles you will find a strongly held belief that men should never cry. According to these communities men should do everything they can to appear as a stoic rock that never wavers and always try to appear emotionally distant. For them tears of sadness are weakness and tears of of happiness are a sign that a man cannot control himself. This belief is often based on the idea that this is men in their natural state or that this is the behavior that has created all of the Great Men of history. Some add that caveat that men should never cry in public or never cry infront of women, but this is often only after some argument. Is this the case? Should men never cry? Does this create the ideal society or is this just the natural state of things? I would argue that this whole idea is a retarded opinion and that male sentimentality is a good thing. This faux stoicism is not traditional or healthy.

This view is simply not traditional or natural because it appeared recently and came from the top. Read any work or historical document from before the 1970s and you will find emotional men doing great things. Robinson Crusoe, King Solomons Mines, Lord of the Rings, Stranger in a Strange Land, the Bible/Torah, Greek/Roman texts and many more famous texts are full of very emotional characters who cry. Read the letters and speeches of stuffy 19th century leaders and poets and you will also find emotion, especially amongst evangelicals in the US who valued tough guy masculinity the most. The "Greatest Generation" that won the second world was also quite openly emotional. This "never ever cry" mindset is not traditional and I find it suspicious that this idea appeared in the west the 60s and 70s with cowboy movies alongside the decline of the social gospel and rise of neoliberalism/consumer capitalism.

This view is not healthy. Suppressing important feelings and emotionally distancing yourself from your loved ones to look tough? That is a good way to not address problems, harm all of your relationships and leave yourself feeling isolated. Being emotionally absent is basically still being absent as a person can have two parents and still be basically raised by a single mom. Associating all emotion with femininity and declaring it to be unmanly also has other consequences. A man that cries? Have you considered that maybe you are transgender? You must cut your penis off to solve all of your problems. You feel alone? Stew on it like a badass until you go crazy. We are causing social harm and setting up dangerous and insane precedents

Does this mean that men should cry because they cannot open their soy bottle, or that boys should cry over having their XBox taken away for bad behavior? No. Mastery of emotions is important, but the complete suppression of any emotion is retarded. Should men control their rage? Yes. However, does anybody really believe that righteous anger is not a thing? Never ever be angry in public is a retarded viewpoint in the same way that never crying in public is. Will women respect a man less for crying in public? Perhaps, but why care about their opinion?


TLDR: The death of male sentimentality and its consequences has been a disaster for men. It has destabilized society, made life unfulfilling, has subjected men to indignities, and has led to widespread psychological suffering.
 
Should men be like women? And cry over stupid things (like getting caught and being expected to take responsibility for their actions) and use emotional blackmail to get what they want?

a joke: Why don't men talk about their feelings? Cos women don't fucking listen...

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I'd say the idea that men should never cry is an antiquated, but that would insult the ancients.

Odysseus wept when his journey seemed impossible; King David wept at his moral failings and betrayal of God and his subjects; Gilgamesh wept at the loss of his battle-brother Enkidu.

It's really only a stupid caricature of 20th century culture which produced this dimwitted belief.

That said, the ancients also knew when it was appropriate to shed tears. Being called a faggot over the internet is baby shit. Weep when it matters.
 
Your entire "argument" is a strawman you invented just to supposedly refute. Real men should cry or otherwise show emotion about things that move them deeply, but they should only be moved deeply by things that are truly important and meaningful. And they shouldn't have GIFs for avatars.

You also completely misunderstand Stoicism.
 
Well not all the time, but so shouldnt woman. If somethings happens to you and you want to cry but dont because you want to seem manly you are a fucking idiot. the "manly" things to do would be to cry and not give a shit about what others think. If i wanna cry then i will.
 
Yes, but dont do it in front of a camera because star wars spin off numer 69 has bobba fett in it. Learning to control your emotions is something both men and women, have to do. Also, as general advice, dont ever let your girlfriend see you cry, she wants a man, not a kid (of course, there are exceptions).
 
This misses the reality of what young men are actually taught. It's not that they're taught to "never cry ever", it's that they're taught to act vs react in stressful situations. You can't act if you're breaking down. Fix the problem. Cry about it later. Crying about it fixes nothing so crying on front of others is useless, disruptive and weak. People who weren't raised that way don't understand it so they simplify it to absurdity.
 
Men have tear glands and telling them that they shouldn't cry or that they should only cry for the "right" reasons is basically telling them to go against human biology.
Life is shit for most people most of the time and sometimes, you can't help but shed a few tears.
It also genuinely makes you feel better because of the endorphins that your body is releasing (yes, that means that you'll be more depressed if you never cry).

Also, the only people I've seen who pressure men not to cry are women, most of which aren't worth paying attention to, either that or insecure men who want to desperately impress women.
Every non-cucked guy I know will go out of his way to make his crying bro feel better.
This "men don't cry" culture is part of that toxic femininity that we're told doesn't exist.
 
Your entire "argument" is a strawman you invented just to supposedly refute. Real men should cry or otherwise show emotion about things that move them deeply, but they should only be moved deeply by things that are truly important and meaningful.
So you agree with me and disagree with the people like Jordan Peterson, Nick Rekieta, Dax Herera, most boomers, most of the political Right, and half of the thread?

You also completely misunderstand Stoicism.
Never ever cry is faux Stoicism.

You are not mastering your emotions by completely suppressing them forever. Mastery is being able to drink and not go overboard. AA members who fear that a single drop will destroy them do not have mastery. Also, completely suppressing an emotion is not actually getting rid of it.

You are not serving the whole by never having emotions. First, you are only being "tough" for selfish reasons, and second you are causing social harm.

You are not being responsible by living by this mindset. You are failing to do your duty as a father by neglecting your family, and neglecting yourself in a way that puts society in danger.
 
women will claim to love a man who cries, but it's just shallow virtue signaling on their part. in truth they are disgusted by it and feel nothing but contempt for it. any and all talk about 'showing emotions' like that is bait. don't fall for it, you will regret it.
 
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