Should Incest between consenting adults be legal?

The one child policy is not something to aspire to emulate. It's why Chinese parents are known to go drown their baby daughters in rivers because they want their one heir to be a son to carry on the family name. This is a surprisingly big problem since now there are many more young men than women in China and women have become something of a commodity.

It did work well in controlling overpopulation, but it also caused many new problems of its own that arguably override it.
 
Philosophy Zombie dijo:
The one child policy is not something to aspire to emulate. It's why Chinese parents are known to go drown their baby daughters in rivers because they want their one heir to be a son to carry on the family name. This is a surprisingly big problem since now there are many more young men than women in China and women have become something of a commodity.
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What you are ignoring is that the one child policy worked and that the river thing (and resulting skewed gender ratio) was merely a side effect that arose from poor planning and an underestimation of speed of cultural change. China always had a tradition of having more than one child per family but western culture doesn't have a tradition of incest (that is surviving in any form today) so such a policy has much less risk
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whether the one child policy was necessary or desireable is not what is being debated here
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It did work well in controlling overpopulation, but it also caused many new problems of its own that arguably override it.
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But the point is that such measures will not cause the same problems when applied to incestuous births as opposed to second births
 
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autisticdragonkin dijo:
What you are ignoring is that the one child policy worked and that the river thing (and resulting skewed gender ratio) was merely a side effect that arose from poor planning and an underestimation of speed of cultural change.
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So it "worked" at the cost of massive human rights violations and treating people like livestock. I'll pass.
 
AnOminous dijo:
So it "worked" at the cost of massive human rights violations and treating people like livestock. I'll pass.
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It worked because parents did not want to have to pay for the services for a second child that would have been provided for free by the state to the first child, likewise incestuous couples would be able to raise their inbred children but they would need to pay for all the medical and educational costs themselves and they won't get childcare tax benefits
 
It's also caused an issue with children born with birth defects being given up/left for adoption by couple who don't want an "inferior" child. One of my relatives has adopted at least 10 children (maybe more?) from China that were born with a club foot, cleft palate, midgetitis, retarded, etc. It's not just an isolated orphanage either, but rather most abandoned children in China now are disabled.
 
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The Chinese have taken after the Romans and are now throwing their disabled off cliffs. This will benefit them in the long run.
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If I've learned anything from 300, it's that you never abandon an ugly retarded hunchback. When our inevitable war with China breaks out, America will be led through a goat pass by one of their forgotten children and our effeminate leader will personally confront the enemy before we slaughter them.
 
tomgirl4life dijo:
If I've learned anything from 300, it's that you never abandon an ugly retarded hunchback. When our inevitable war with China breaks out, America will be led through a goat pass by one of their forgotten children and our effeminate leader will personally confront the enemy before we slaughter them.
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The difference between 300 and now is that we would not outnumber the Chinese.
 
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The difference between 300 and now is that we would not outnumber the Chinese.
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But once their population dwindles due to the one-child policy...

Besides, they're mostly rice farmers and factory workers. America vs Chinese would be just like 300, but with a reverse ending where we whoop their asses with a couple hundred thousand trained killers.
 
It wouldn't work because then parents could brainwash their children to have sex with them when they turn 18, the power dynamics in play within the relationship make it open to abuse/manipulation of the older partner.
 
I've seen this on a few forums now and each time my answer is the same. How much of a loser do you have to be where you can only fuck a member of your family.
 
Fucking Christ, incest.

Even discounting children, incest should always be a crime and forbidden. Sex isn't just about sticking pegs into holes. The psychological factor will always be there, and there's no way to disentangle the damage caused by mixing sexual acts with the psychology and dynamics of family, not just for yourself, but for everyone around you. Even in cases where those involved aren't related biologically, it's horrible. Remember Soon-Yi? Think of the horrific trauma Woody Allen inflicted not just on a woman who by all rights is his daughter, but upon Mia Farrow and every member of her family in turn.

This is about more than the law. Incest is a sin and outright evil no matter how it's dressed up and walked around.

That said, I'm not talking about cousins and shit like that. I think it's clannish and backwards, but it really shouldn't be illegal or seen on the level of what Woody Allen did.

autisticdragonkin dijo:
It worked because parents did not want to have to pay for the services for a second child that would have been provided for free by the state to the first child, likewise incestuous couples would be able to raise their inbred children but they would need to pay for all the medical and educational costs themselves and they won't get childcare tax benefits
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China's One Child Policy -- in addition to being a horrendous assault upon human rights -- was not needed to cause a decline in population growth. You'll find just as low population growth figures in Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Korea, pretty much every country in Europe, and now it's even being seen in the US and certain Mid-East countries.

It's a part of biology. When areas get overcrowded, childrearing becomes difficult, and infant mortality rates are low, people just stop having kids. Hell, maybe this is the reason why there's been a rise in people who exclusively engage in homosexuality. Living in a world at capacity might be triggering people's subconscious to avoid the rat race and seek sexual release via other avenues.
 
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Hell, maybe this is the reason why there's been a rise in people who exclusively engage in homosexuality. Living in a world at capacity might be triggering people's subconscious to avoid the rat race and seek sexual release via other avenues.
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By that logic, incest is on the rise too? I mean, if we're avoiding the rat race and all and seek sexual release via other avenues, doesn't non-reproductive incest count?
 
The issue of meaningful consent in incestuous relationships - especially those between parent/caregiver and adult child - is so fundamentally undermined by family power dynamics as mentioned upthread as to make the entire question moot. If you have ever had the misfortune to encounter and observe such a relationship, the power dynamics in it are inherently abusive.

There are different arguments around relationships between people of the same family generation who have never had a caregiving role for each other - siblings, first cousins (purported incest with first cousins is legal in most developed jurisdictions; something of a legal hangover but there is limited pressure to change it). However, particularly if they were raised together, there are still serious issues are around abuse, coercion and consent.

It's worth bearing in mind that the overwhelming majority of childhood sexual abuse takes place within the family and is perpetrated by a first degree relative (parent or sibling). The elements that make that conduct abusive do not magically disappear once all parties reach the age of consent.

The reason for such relationships not to produce children is not principally the increased risk of birth defects and hereditary illnesses. The major concern is that families which practice incest - without exception - normalise incestuous relations and this places this children at phenomenally high risk for childhood (and later) sexual abuse and coercion. If your father is also your grandfather, and your mother has normalised this to help herself cope with her own abuse, she is a person with very little ability to protect you when 'Papa' decides it's your turn. Incest overwhelmingly happens in family groups - rather than individual aberrative instances - for exactly this reason - the children are normalised into a culture of silence and acceptance, and go on to inflict this abuse on their own children in turn.

This is more common that most people realise; I have worked with a surprisingly high number of cases where incest was a feature of the family dynamics, and the most striking thing in all of them is the normalisation of the behaviour. (Some of these families required court-ordered DNA testing of the children in an attempt to determine how they were biologically related. This is not a behaviour that any society would be well-advised to deregulate.)
 
Meh. I guess I'm sorta split on this. On the one hand I don't like the idea of close relatives inbreeding but on the other I don't like the idea of the government barging into people's bedrooms when both parties are consenting adults.

Marriage between close relatives should be illegal. No question there. I suppose you could make the argument that keeping incest illegal works as a deterrent, but I'd wanna see some proof of that before I came to a decision. Incest is bad and if you do it you deserve public shame.
 
In one word: Ick! Even though I have a couple really hot cousins that if we weren't related I'd totally hit on them.

But between consenting adults I really feel you can and should be able to do what you want with each other. The only caveat I'd put on this particular situation is if the bloodline is too close (brother / sister, father / daughter, mother / son, grandparent / grandchild) then maybe they ought to get themselves checked out first to make sure they're not carrying any undesireable recessives genes and they plan on having children. First cousins is a little iffy as is doing it with your uncle or aunt assuming they're of the same blood as you.

But beyond that, if that's your thing, then I say go for it. Provided nobody gets hurt in the process and you're careful not to have kids then really it's nobody's business who you bang.
 
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