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"as famous as Sherlock Holmes himself" is the first one I came up with but again, doesn't really justify Holmes' reaction).

Yeah, it does. That's the joke, isn't it?

That Holmes is being an egotist and assuming that Watson was about to say that Moriarty is as famous among criminals as he (Holmes) is, being the man who outfoxes and apprehends criminals and therefore being a man all criminals know and fear, hence his faux modesty with the response, "My blushes, Watson."
 
I didn't see anyone mentioned the two 1983 films, so I am giving a big endorsement to them both. Ian Richardson's Sherlock is my second favorite Holmes, after Brett, and I'd put his "The Sign of Four" over the Granada version. And his "The Hound of the Baskervilles" is probably my favorite version of the story altogether, and it's free on Youtube here. Though the Peter Cushing version is close.

It's a pity they never made a third one, I think the popularity of the Granada show killed it off. Weird that the two best Sherlocks were active at about the same time, along with the best Poirot.

Of course, Jeremy Brett's adaptation gets my vote as the best interpretation of the character. Moreover, I really love the sets and atmosphere of the Granada show as well.

My favorite moment is when Lestrade informs Sherlock how proud Scotland Yard is of him. I love Brett's acting there. Pity we didn't get more Lestrade episodes, I think he's the best version and the actor liked playing him.


I'm only a season into Elementary, but I'm pleasantly surprised how much I enjoy it. I worried it would be too similar to House or even BBC's Sherlock, but it's very much its own thing so far. Really reminds me of the Mentalist more than anything. I like that this Sherlock doesn't have Cumberbatch's magic powers but is just genuinely good at reading clues and still makes mistakes, and they actually let Watson not be useless and even solve some mysteries herself. It's also not nearly as overproduced as Moffat's usual theatrics.

I really can't talk about 'Sherlock' without going on a rant tearing it apart and going into how disappointing Moffat become. I'll just stick to pointing out that the best episode is the unaired pilot, and it proves the show should've been kept half an hour shorter.
 
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Keklmao. Anyway: Rewatching the shrumberpatch Sherlock show; holy shit the editing is on-the-nose and cringe. And the odd 3-episode seasons? The hell was going on with the production of that entire show? And the episodes are this vague 90 minute length.

Anyway, I wanna maybe read some Holmes. Is pup of busker a decent starting point or is there some kind of origins of higher value?
 
Anyway, I wanna maybe read some Holmes. Is pup of busker a decent starting point or is there some kind of origins of higher value?

Read "A Scandal in Bohemia" first! (And then watch the Jeremy Brett episode for the same story and be amazed at the quality.)
 
There's a new 8-episode Young Sherlock Holmes show on Amazon Prime. It's more a pastiche than an adaptation of Sir ACD's stories. Apparently it's based on some book series of the same name from the 2010's.

Guy Ritchie is producing and directed the first two episodes, though it's not really like his two Sherlock Holmes films with RDJ and Jude Law, beyond being a period piece. The credits, some visual elements and music choices are probably the main Guy Ritchie influence. Stars Ralph Fiennes' nephew, who previous played the young Tom Riddle in one of the Harry Potter films, as the young Sherlock Holmes at Oxford.

I'm about halfway through, and it's not a terrible show, however it doesn't really feel anything like Sherlock Holmes. We don't get enough clues to work out the mystery each episode to the extent there even is a mystery. Worse, the main lead could be playing any character, there's nothing particularly Holmesian about him. No charisma; he's sort of a less autistic Sheldon Cooper, than Sherlock, but not as terrible as that sounds. Holmes should feel like the smartest man in the room, but this version is overshadowed by other characters throughout.

I don't know if its the writing or the lack of presence in the actor, but if this show was called Young Oxford Detective and didn't use Holmes' names, it would be better for it.

There is so far no Watson character, but instead James Moriarty takes the Watson role, and together with Holmes, they both come across more like well-read young British men, than super geniuses. Though Moriarty is better acted and better written, of the two. I was initially worried about having Moriarty as his friend, but it rather works I think. They're sort of good and bad influences on each other. As long as they don't do something stupid like having Moriarty being secretly the arch villain who has been running everything the whole show.

Anyway, if you can get past them making Moriarty his best friend, Lestrade the local constable, and an underlying plot arc about Sherlock having a dead sister he keeps hallucinating about (I suspect they're going to have her still alive, kidnapped by Sherlock's father for some reason), it's an okay watch. Though again, I'm only about halfway through the season.

I haven't noticed anything terribly SJW/Woke messaging in it yet, beyond maybe a few jabs at British imperialism in China and some basic classism that is pretty accurate to the period. None of it is dwelt on or made into a lecture. So by that standard it's above average for something on Amazon Prime.

Holmes' sister is worrying me, though. I don't know what it is about modern films/shows, but between 'Sherlock', 'Enola Holmes', and now this, they sure love giving Sherlock a younger sister. I swear, if we end up with another Eurus Holmes, I'm going to lose my mind.
 
There's a new 8-episode Young Sherlock Holmes show on Amazon Prime.
I've seen the teasers but the guy playing young Moriarty skeeves me out (he was the replacement for that one actor who left the Wheel of Time series I believe). He just has such a smirking, punchable face. I'll probably check the show out some night when I'm struggling with insomnia.

Have there been any nods to that Young Sherlock Holmes film from the 80s? Any Easter eggs or references to actual Holmes stories at all, dancing men, gigantic hounds, "The Woman," etc.?
 
Have there been any nods to that Young Sherlock Holmes film from the 80s? Any Easter eggs or references to actual Holmes stories at all, dancing men, gigantic hounds, "The Woman," etc.?
Not that I've noticed, no. Certainly nothing as obvious as dancing men or glowing hounds.
 
I've seen the teasers but the guy playing young Moriarty skeeves me out (he was the replacement for that one actor who left the Wheel of Time series I believe). He just has such a smirking, punchable face. I'll probably check the show out some night when I'm struggling with insomnia.

Have there been any nods to that Young Sherlock Holmes film from the 80s? Any Easter eggs or references to actual Holmes stories at all, dancing men, gigantic hounds, "The Woman," etc.?


I really liked the lad playing Moriarty, expressions like the joker and a thick Cork accent. Its like they asked him to paddy up every line reading to the point of ridiculousness. The guy playing Holmes was kind of dull unless the two were bouncing off each other.


The show started off OK but turned into young Indiana Jones by the end.
 
Man, i remember owning/loving a collection of Sherlock Holmes stories as a kid. I no longer have that specific book (I think most were heavily shortened) and have only really read Hound of the Baskervilles in "recent" years (by jove, it's been over 15 years on that one) but I might need to revisit them.

Any recommendations on where to start though?
 
Guy Ritchie is producing and directed the first two episodes, though it's not really like his two Sherlock Holmes films with RDJ and Jude Law, beyond being a period piece.
That's too bad because I really like his Holmes movies with RDJ and Law. I think they had great chemistry together as Holmes and Watson. Mark Strong and Jared Harris as Moriarty were both excellent villains.
 
For any purist Holmes fans who've never experienced Jeremy Brett as the Great Detective, if you have Prime Video you can watch the first series for free. The very first episode is "A Scandal in Bohemia," lifted straight from the pages of The Strand magazine. Several of the best stories are also adapted in the first series, such as The Dancing Men, The Speckled Band, and The Redheaded League.

I tried watching Young Sherlock but only got through the first few episodes and found them utterly forgettable. I'll give it another go at some point, but that guy Dónal Finn who plays young Moriarty just bugs the shit out of me for some reason.
 
For any purist Holmes fans who've never experienced Jeremy Brett as the Great Detective, if you have Prime Video you can watch the first series for free.
It's also free on Tubi, along with a metric ton of other Sherlock shows and movies.


I tried watching Young Sherlock but only got through the first few episodes and found them utterly forgettable. I'll give it another go at some point, but that guy Dónal Finn who plays young Moriarty just bugs the shit out of me for some reason.
Every time I see the name "Young Sherlock Holmes" I think of that one movie from the eighties, which felt more like an Indiana Jones movie than a Sherlock Holmes movie.
 
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