Business She got a forgivable loan. Her employees hate her for it.


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She got a forgivable loan. Her employees hate her for it.

Jamie Black-Lewis felt like she won the lottery after getting two forgivable loans through the Paycheck Protection Program.

Black-Lewis saw the $177,000 and $43,800 loans, one for each of the spas she owns in Washington state, as a lifeline she could use for payroll and other business expenses.

She’d halted pay for the 35 employees — including herself — at Oasis Medspa & Salon, in Woodinville, and Amai Day Spa, in Bothell, in mid-March, when nonessential businesses in Washington closed due to the coronavirus pandemic.

When Black-Lewis convened a virtual employee meeting to explain her good fortune, she expected jubilation and relief that paychecks would resume in full even though the staff — primarily hourly employees — couldn’t work.

She got a different reaction.

“It was a firestorm of hatred about the situation,” Black-Lewis said.

The animosity is an unintended consequence of the $2.2 trillion coronavirus relief package enacted last month.

The law, the CARES Act, offered $349 billion in loans for small businesses struggling as a result of Covid-19. Banks, backstopped by the federal government, can fully forgive the loans under certain conditions.

Among them, the bulk of funds must go toward payroll, salaries must remain intact and employee head count must not decrease. Businesses have until June 30 to rehire laid-off or furloughed workers.

Black-Lewis was trying to meet these rules, especially after her bank reiterated she must continue to pay workers for loan forgiveness.

The anger came from employees who’d determined they’d make more money by collecting unemployment benefits than their normal paychecks.

“It’s a windfall they see coming,” Black-Lewis said of unemployment. “In their mind, I took it away.”

“I couldn’t believe it,” she added. “On what planet am I competing with unemployment?”

Black-Lewis is surely not the only entrepreneur to struggle with such dynamics.

Roughly 22 million Americans filed for unemployment in the four weeks ended April 11. Lawmakers are poised to infuse an additional $310 billion into the Paycheck Protection Program, which exhausted its initial funding, this week.

Unemployment benefits
The coronavirus relief law increased weekly jobless benefits for recipients, boosted the duration of benefits and extended pay to previously ineligible groups of workers like the self-employed.
Specifically, the new law adds a flat $600 a week to the typical weekly benefits paid by one’s state.
Those traditional benefits, which vary widely between states, replaced about 40% of one’s prior wages, according to a national average cited by the House Ways and Means Committee.
 
What about the people who filed for unemployment weeks ago but still don't have it? Shit, that's half my social media right now. Everything's too backed up.
In my discord I have to listen to a whiney autist complain his stimulus money hasnt come in yet because he wants to consoom, god I hate that whiney little "Auuuuhn" noise from the back of the throat that accompanies all his sentences...
 
I'm honestly surprised they're handing out unemployment as easily as they are now. It's been over a decade now, but there was a time where a friend and I were both out of work, get turned down, appeal it, and the judge tells us "You're young healthy men, go find a job!" Not surprised shit like this is happening though; the whole fucking system is made to be exceptional.
There once was a time when, if you rejected taking your position back at the rate you got laid off at, you lost unemployment.
 
Like always, it is the worker who ends up getting fucked.
Getting paid your full wage to stay home = getting fucked. Or is it not getting paid more than your full wage to pretend to look for work that's really the bane of the working man?

The big business bailout was a thermonuclear fucking of the lower classes, but this policy, incentivising workers to not look for work after quarantine is lifted, is a bullet in the back of small business and the middle class that will allow those beneficiaries of the trillion dollar handout to buy up anything of value. The upper class is temporarily bribing the lower-middle class to stand aside while they fuck the middle class. And you're buying into it. Chump.
 
Getting paid your full wage to stay home = getting fucked. Or is it not getting paid more than your full wage to pretend to look for work that's really the bane of the working man?

The big business bailout was a thermonuclear fucking of the lower classes, but this policy, incentivising workers to not look for work after quarantine is lifted, is a bullet in the back of small business and the middle class that will allow those beneficiaries of the trillion dollar handout to buy up anything of value. The upper class is temporarily bribing the lower-middle class to stand aside while they fuck the middle class. And you're buying into it. Chump.

Unemployment runs out. If you become unfurloughed, its automatically gone anyway. Most people did not get fired. Do you not realize this? You're the chump who thinks a few months (that people have already cut into) is going to magically kill the middle class somehow. Unemployment has never killed anyone ever before. It actually does exactly the opposite. It exists for a reason.

The majority of workers who make middle class wages, are still employed. Most Americans have never stopped working. Do you not realize this? lol
 
What does that have to do with my statement? Huge corps are getting billions and there are low iq posters in this very thread crying about people getting an extra $600 dollars a week in the middle of a pandemic. lmao.

Try to make some sense if you reply again.
Because "huge corporations" are the bedrock of every single public pension and personal retirement fund. These companies fail, so does

Holy fuck did you go to the AoC school of bartender economics or something?

This is what separates a planed economy like Denmark from broke brain Bernie socialism. No country in the world would let it's economic engines fail.

Unemployment runs out. If you become unfurloughed, its automatically gone anyway. Most people did not get fired. Do you not realize this? You're the chump who thinks a few months (that people have already cut into) is going to magically kill the middle class somehow. Unemployment has never killed anyone ever before. It actually does exactly the opposite. It exists for a reason.

The majority of workers who make middle class wages, are still employed. Most Americans have never stopped working. Do you not realize this? lol
So to be clear, the local Best Buy which employees over 120 people and had to shut it's doors didn't shut its doors and didn't stop paying it's employees?

Yeah that makes total sense.

22 millions are out of work, and you're saying that they're not out of work?
 
So to be clear, the local Best Buy which employees over 120 people and had to shut it's doors didn't shut its doors and didn't stop paying it's employees?

Yeah that makes total sense.

22 millions are out of work, and you're saying that they're not out of work?

The best buy will reopen. Once it reopens then the unemployment is over. Big busineses are even getting PPP. Payroll loans as long as the individual location doesnt have more than 500 workers. But lets say they aren't getting payroll through the Ppp loan.....

Their workers need unemployment right now. That's the whole point of unemployment insurance. I'm not sure what point you are even trying to make.

22 million workers are a fraction of all American workers.

Because "huge corporations" are the bedrock of every single public pension and personal retirement fund. These companies fail, so does

Holy fuck did you go to the AoC school of bartender economics or something?

This is what separates a planed economy like Denmark from broke brain Bernie socialism. No country in the world would let it's economic engines fail.

Private pensions are insured. lol
 
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>“On what planet am I competing with unemployment?”
They had an amendment to cap the unemployment payments to 100% of an employee's salary, but that was rejected from the final bill.

Now it's just "what the fuck did you think was going to happen?"

It’s human nature to want something for nothing. No matter your race, creed, or group, the first instinct is to take the free gift without questioning it.
 
Everything I said in this thread I'm 100% serious about. IDK what world you people live in.

We like to optimistically assume you're baiting because it's too painful to imagine a world where people as mentally deficient as you present yourself to be actually exist. Just a fun little game, a play-pretend where we defend our minds against the bared horrors of a reality the human cognition cannot face without simply going mad.
 
22 million workers are a fraction of all American workers.

To be clear 22 million is close to 10% of all Americans, not including children too young to work, those too old to work, and those who never worked in the first place.

That's 22 million out of the maybe 150 million productive members of American society. It's just 22 million people who either can't provide for themselves or are getting welfare bucks. It's 'just' 22 million people that need to be provided for. If you drafted everyone out of work right now in the USA, you would have an army that far exceeds any army in history, and now the USA is supposed to support them too with its safety net.
 
To be clear 22 million is close to 10% of all Americans, not including children too young to work, those too old to work, and those who never worked in the first place. That's 22 million out of the maybe 150 million productive members of American society.

That's still a fraction of total workers. Most jobs who are furloughed, not fired.

We like to optimistically assume you're baiting because it's too painful to imagine a world where people as mentally deficient as you present yourself to be actually exist. Just a fun little game, a play-pretend where we defend our minds against the bared horrors of a reality the human cognition cannot face without simply going mad.

Please tell me what you actually disagreed with. I feel like rw group think prevents thought in this place.
 
That's still a fraction of total workers.

Yes, and 1/2 is a fraction of total workers too. A fraction of workers that ends up with over 20 million Americans who were employed and now aren't is a big fraction and a big amount of people.

Please tell me what you actually disagreed with.

Not every reply to every post you make has to disagree with you.
 
All I got from this article is that communism is dumb and only nazis support it.
 
I didn't come here for the thread itself, I came here to count how many hostile ratings Tuscangarder handed out up to this post.

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