mr garrison bringing his sexslave into a 4th grade schoolclass, in bdsm gear, and on a leash nontheless, is truly the purest and most genuine representation of queers in any western broadcasted media.
Rubber/latex dog mask fuckers keep this trend going decades later. Show up, completely erect in 100% sex gear, wondering why the furries in their fuckdog costumes won't let them in, or why the gay bar full of clothed, relatively normal people don't want them walking around.
Oh major companies like Disney queer baiting is understandable with wanting the Chinese market. I think what I mean by queer baiting is when a show already has canon gay rep on it, but people still insist that someone is gay despite the fact that there's 0 reasoning for writers to play games with people with it. Since people here are mentioning South Park, this is the perfect example. The show has around 8 gay characters on it and yet people still insist that Matt and Trey are putting clues into the show to signal to "queer" fans that "so and so" is closet gay. Stan and Kenny are clearly straight and while Stan can have emotional moments with Kyle, there's been nothing suggesting that Stan likes boys. These are of course the same people who take the Fractured But Whole's character sheet's for their superhero personas where some characters sexuality and gender aren't straight or "cis" as canon, but for Stan and Kenny's where it states they're straight and not trans? Clearly those two are lying about it, which wouldn't make sense. Yes, Trey does like to tease with Stan at times, but if he really wanted Stan to be bi or even gay, then he would have admitted to it now.
Returned to binging South Park and by some bizarre coincidence, got to the exact episode you speak off (Season 06, Episode 14). What really struck me was how when the kids started talking to Chef how uncomfortable the teacher is making them in class, the Chef says "Children, there's a BIG difference between gay people and Mr. Garrison". And he is right, Garrison does all of the fucked up shit on purpose so he would get fired, which would allow him to sue the school for homophobia and gain millions of dollars in compensation. Meanwhile, when Big gay Al gets actually fired for being gay (Season 05, Episode 03) the children get sad because they liked him as their scout leader. Not only that, but Al gets replaced by a new macho scout leader that turns out to be an actual pedophile.
Uh, I think that’s just untrue actually. Or well, I don’t know, I guess it depends on how far back you wanna go but even if you go real deep in history you can find ancient tribes having a concept of a “third gender”.
"Gender dysphoria" doesn't even claim they're a "third gender." If you look at the DSM-5, it's such a flimsy fucking definition that it was almost certainly created to result in the iatrogenic harm it's doing today. It's just sex stereotypes and they teach children "gender identity" in kindergarten. Obviously when you indoctrinate children into the belief that they may actually be a girl, students will grow up wondering if that's the reason for any issues. It's cruel and needs to be stopped.
I don't think it's wise to use that terminology since it's weighted towards that cult ideology (same as "sexual orientation"), but sure.
I heard a priest at Holy Virgin Cathedral in San Francisco—the Russian Orthodox cathedral on Geary Boulevard, where they keep the relics of St. John of Shangai and San Fransisco—talk about this on a day when people were visiting during pride month. Gay and trans guys show up there now and then for the reason you're talking about. That's where they go: somewhere where there's an understanding of the human person, and a known way to sort things out.
Totally different phenomenon.
You mean "ancient cases of things that are superficially like contemporary transgenderism". Contemporary transgenderism is a narcissistic psycho-sexual self-help cult promoted as a social engineering tool. The "problem" is that that cult was the de-facto state religion in most Western countries for ten years. That's why every HR woman is a "she/they". The people who fall for it are either the kinds of people who fall for cults in general (or would have otherwise converted to something else), or else they're just chasing what's popular in their circles.
I don’t really know what other term exists.
So, religion? I’m curious what an atheist struggling with this would do
Pretty much, yeah. Ancient cases of believing your sex can be changed. I wanna get to the root of that, unless we only took an issue with transgenderism when it became annoying.
No it’s not. The issue of morality only came when people started taking advantage of the genuinely mentally ill people. You’re trying to fight a kraken by poking at its tentacles. If you take out the narcissists, you’re still left with the schizos. If you take out the schizos, there’s nothing left for the narcissist to piggyback on.
They'd convert to a religion (you're talking to such a person, although not for transgenderism). These aren't the kinds of questions that secular anthropology can answer, because it's all fluid and speculative—and ultimately, atheistic epistemology and ethics are groundless: see the attached pdf.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing to look into, but you can't assume that they have the same causes just because there are external similarities. A lot of them had various philosophical or religious reasons for doing that. The hijra in India identify with the goddess Shakti, for example.
Again, you're making the assumption that transgenderism is primarily a mental illness problem rather than a moral-spiritual problem. That assumption isn't borne out from how it actually spreads.
Historically, you have it backwards. Pathologizing transgenderism and homosexuality was the first step towards pushing for normalization, as it de-emphasized the moral-spiritual component. They hate "truscum" because it's a step backwards in their own program. It's true that pushing for pathologization may have been a solid incrementalist move in the other direction, but it doesn't follow from that that it's the root of the problem for the majority of people who identify that way.
I disagree, morality and ethics aside, if someone is an atheist and simply dosent want to change gender even though they have a feeling in their head that they should… I don’t think the existence of a god should hinge on that decision. It’s not like if there is no god, then everyone with gender dysphoria should transition.
I don’t believe they all have the same causes, no. I’m putting aside cases of religious devotion and such. I remember I once saw an old Jewish poem of a man complaining about the fact that he was born a man rather than a woman and even ended it with a sarcastic jab at God for making him a man. A lot of trans people started using it. I don’t know if I could find it again.
What I’m saying is the beginnings of transgenderism (I don’t mean the beginnings of the transgender movement, I mean being dissatisfied with your born gender) is mental illness. Thats the root from centuries ago. Nowadays you rarely see that but they still exist, silenced.
Off-topic and a blatant ad hom, so feel free to ignore it: I still can't get over it how you could abandon such a major part of life as your own sexuality to become an Orthodox Christian. It's a religion so closely interlinked with Russian, Romanian and Greek cultures that an American will never be a proper part of its community. It's genuinely less embarrassing to be a tranny than an American Orthodox Christian, especially if your migratory background isn't from an Orthodox country. You could marry a fellow fag and have your own little family or its best approximation, but you will never become an actual Orthodox Christian just like a tranny will never be a woman.
Do we really need it though? What for? (and I talk about any kind of "representation", not only lgbt).
Russians didn't convert to it until nearly a thousand years after it started. Now a lot of Americans are. It's kind of a bafflingly dumb thing to say.
I have more to say on that but don't have the time at the moment.
Several have read it. They've said as much on my profile (and in threads).
Yes, and now it's a religion dominated predominantly by ethnic Russians, Greeks, Romanians and a variation of South Slavs. Being an American, you don't understand that Orthodox Christianity isn't actually the same as it was in the first millennium. The identity of an Orthodox Christian is now very closely linked with these people's cultural identities and the knowledge of Greek or Russian languages is nearly a prerequisite to engage in literature or discussion of this religion with its native believers. Nobody cares about a few Americans who converted as recently as a decade ago because they're attracted by bearded priests and pretty icons. The core of the religion is unavailable to you because you lack the cultural background necessary to engage with it. You don't speak the language nor do you intuitively understand the customs around the religion. You're not Russian, Greek, Romanian or even some type of other Slav. You're just an Anglo trying to participate in a foreign religion that you know solely through the Internet. You will never become part of the Greek Orthodox or Russian Orthodox communities because you're a foreigner. Worse, you're a Western foreigner. Seeing Anglos engaging in Orthodoxy is as ridiculous as seeing them participate in other ethnic religions like Shinto, Hinduism, Druze or Zoroastrianism.