Science Scientists tried to give people COVID — and failed - When nobody developed a sustained infection, the researchers increased the dose by more and more in subsequent groups of participants, until they reached a level 10,000 times the initial dose.

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01 May 2024

Scientists tried to give people COVID — and failed​

Researchers deliberately infect participants with SARS-CoV-2 in ‘challenge’ trials — but high levels of immunity complicate efforts to test vaccines and treatments.
By Ewen Callaway

When Paul Zimmer-Harwood volunteered to be intentionally infected with SARS-CoV-2, he wasn’t sure what to expect. He was ready for a repeat of his first brush with COVID-19, through a naturally acquired infection that gave him influenza-like symptoms. But he hoped his immunity would help him feel well enough to use the indoor bicycle trainer that he had brought into quarantine.

It turned out that Zimmer-Harwood, a PhD student at University of Oxford, UK, had nothing to worry about. Neither he nor any of the 35 other people who participated in the ‘challenge’ trial actually got COVID-19.

The study’s results, published on 1 May in Lancet Microbe1, raise questions about the usefulness of COVID-19 challenge trials for testing vaccines, drugs and other therapeutics. “If you can’t get people infected, then you can’t test those things,” says Tom Peacock, a virologist at Imperial College London. Viral strains used in challenge trials take many months to produce, making it impossible to match emerging circulating variants that can overcome high levels of existing immunity in populations.

Researchers use challenge trials to understand infections and quickly test vaccines and therapies. In March 2021, after months of ethical debate, UK researchers launched the world’s first COVID-19 challenge trial. The study2 identified a minuscule dose of the SARS-CoV-2 strain that circulated in the early days of the pandemic that could infect about half of the participants, who had not previously been infected with the virus (at that time, vaccines weren’t yet widely available).

In parallel, a team led by Helen McShane, an infectious-disease researcher at Oxford, launched a second SARS-CoV-2 challenge study in people — including Zimmer-Harwood — who had recovered from naturally caught SARS-CoV-2 infections, caused by a range of variants. The trial later enrolled participants who had also been vaccinated.

Evolving strains​

The first participants got the same tiny dose of the ‘ancestral’ SARS-CoV-2 strain as did those in the first trial. When nobody developed a sustained infection, the researchers increased the dose by more and more in subsequent groups of participants, until they reached a level 10,000 times the initial dose. A few volunteers developed short-lived infections, but these quickly vanished.

“We were quite surprised,” says Susan Jackson, a study clinician at Oxford and co-author of the latest study. “Moving forward, if you want a COVID challenge study, you’re going to have to find a dose that infects people.”

Despite their immunity to the ancestral strains, nearly 40% of the participants experienced an Omicron infection after being released from quarantine by December 2022, and one even got it twice.

An ongoing COVID-19 challenge trial at Imperial College London, in which participants have been exposed to the Delta SARS-CoV-2 variant, has also encountered problems with infecting participants reliably, says Christopher Chiu, an immunologist and infectious-disease physician at Imperial who is leading that trial and was involved in the other challenge trials. Some participants have experienced infections, but probably not enough for a study testing whether a vaccine works, adds Chiu.

“We need a challenge strain that’s more representative of what’s circulating in the community,” says Anna Durbin, a vaccine scientist at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland, who was a member of the board that oversaw the safety of the latest ‘reinfection’ trial.
Viral strains used in challenge trials are produced under stringent conditions, a process that can take six months or longer, say scientists, making it impossible to match circulating variants perfectly. McShane and Chiu are readying a challenge trial using the BA.5 Omicron subvariant that emerged in 2022.

Raising doses​

Researchers are looking at other ways to give people COVID-19. Jackson says that an even higher SARS-CoV-2 dose might be needed — one similar to doses used in influenza challenge trials, in which participants have substantial immunity. Another method could be giving participants multiple doses. Chiu says that his team is exploring the possibility of screening potential participants to identify those with low levels of immune protection against the BA.5 variant and any future challenge strains.

Chiu is leading a consortium that in March was awarded US$57 million by the European Union and CEPI, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations in Oslo, to use challenge trials to test inhaled and intranasal COVID-19 vaccines that might also block transmission. He’s hopeful that such changes to trial protocols will do the trick. “What you really want is a model that replicates a genuine infection and ideally one that cause some symptoms,” he adds.

Zimmer-Harwood, who also works for a non-profit organization that advocates for challenge trials and their participants, says he would welcome changes that make COVID-19 challenge trials more useful to researchers — even if that means a bit less time on the bicycle trainer.

doi: https://doi.org/10.1038/d41586-024-01284-1

References​

  1. 1. Jackson, S. et al. Lancet Microbe https://doi.org/10.1016/S2666-5247(24)00025-9 (2024).
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  2. 2. Killingley, B. et al. Nature Med. 28, 1031–1041 (2022).
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....Periods will synchronize, why wouldn't other bodily cyclical processes?...
I was under the impression this was a case of seeing patterns that don't exist? Where it is something that is just going to happen eventually since not all women are on the exact same timer so to speak. End result being that there's eventually going to be a few months where they appear to be aligned with each other, even among more than 2 women, just by chance.
 
"The study’s results, published on 1 May in Lancet Microbe1, raise questions about the usefulness of COVID-19 challenge trials for testing vaccines, drugs and other therapeutics."

The journal Nature is now too stupid to realize that the real question is, "why would you need to test drugs, vaccines, and other therapeutics for a virus that can't infect anyone?"
Ah yes, Science. The practice of gathering data, then explaining why your preconceived notions were right all along, regardless of the results.
 
There's a lot modern medicine simply doesn't talk about because it's not in its wheelhouse. Scientists are just finding out now that muscle development corresponds to living a longer life, as an example. In reality, though martial artists in the east have forms specifically designed for the sole purpose of increasing your lifespan. The idea behind them being that you're forcing blood into parts of your body that don't receive circulation as well and aligned with certain times of the day, can improve your circulatory system.
I've seen the horrors of elderly Asians and I will happily die young.
 
It's odd. I have the sort of job that exposes people to Covid and other respiratory diseases pretty often and most of my coworkers have gotten it multiple times and I've only gotten it once despite never getting any boosters and only having the mandated J&J shot. Come to think of it, the only other coworker who hasn't gotten it multiple times is the only other smoker in my department. Weird that.
 
There's a lot modern medicine simply doesn't talk about because it's not in its wheelhouse. Scientists are just finding out now that muscle development corresponds to living a longer life, as an example. In reality, though martial artists in the east have forms specifically designed for the sole purpose of increasing your lifespan. The idea behind them being that you're forcing blood into parts of your body that don't receive circulation as well and aligned with certain times of the day, can improve your circulatory system.
Please teach more more.

I've seen the horrors of elderly Asians and I will happily die young.
What do you mean?
 
@NoReturn there's definitely what @Slideshow Bill said for sure but also I just don't want to live to be 109. I saw how miserable my grandparents were in their 90s and how disturbed they were with the world around them. I'll pass.
 
I know I’ve said it about a hundred times, but the last few years has been an absolute mind fuck for me. Few of my previous assumptions have held.
People like us should form a support group. The "Cannot Unsee" society or something. For those of us who have realised just how things work at the top and need help dealing with it because we are not psychopaths.

You know I've had something of a similar experience and I highly, highly doubt others haven't. I think anyone who is successful enough or around long enough, eventually runs into it. And it's shocking when you first do.

I've seen the horrors of elderly Asians and I will happily die young.
You're talking Lo Pan? Cause he scared me when I was little! :)
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My longstanding theory is that there are all kinds of viruses that don't provoke immune responses.

For example, one day a couple years ago I ordered food in a restaurant and the lettuce tasted like nasty chemicals. For about a year, green vegetables that I had previously enjoyed or at least found inoffensive tasted like chemicals. It went away gradually and I am able to eat a salad again, humdillalah, but it was strange.

I wonder if I caught a virus and that was the only symptom.

Like the researchers and getting a "cold," it's possible that there was an innocuous virus that mutated slightly and suddenly there was an immune response.

Interesting stuff.
 
What do you mean?
They also suck to do. Nothing that's worth it in life comes without great effort and sacrifice in time. Although ideally if you build up muscles in the right places, beyond what traditional weight lifting and working out can get you, you'll live a better life in your old age. Most people start having knee and back issues by 30-35. Imagine not having them until you're twice that age.
 
That kind of isn’t possible, they’d all been isolated for nine months and been healthy. You shouldn’t be able to incubate a cold for that long, you’d have it and get over it. You start wondering if cold viruses can travel on the surface of airborne dust particles.
I wonder if there's any possibility of the body spontaneously reassembling a virus from retrovirus fragments encoded in our DNA. They still occasionally pop out viral proteins and have been seen to be active in cancer cells.
 
Well, call me crazy for this but there's an idea that the body goes through cycles to regulate itself. Sometimes cold symptoms are not colds, viruses, or pathogens, but rather the body regulating its own immune system. Think like a starting a car to make sure it runs after it's been sitting for awhile. Thats why certain people seem to get sick around the same time every single year for the entirety of their lives. Their bodies are just going through their immune systems natural regulatory period. It's possible that due to isolation and similar conditions, multiple people's immune systems synchronized and went through the same cycle. Periods will synchronize, why wouldn't other bodily cyclical processes?

In Eastern medicine, your body goes through natural cycles every single day and your morning, noon, and night energies are all different. They make up the basic premises of dimmock. It's not out of the realm of possibilities for humans to have various cyclical processes throughout a year that we just don't understand yet. Our bodies are more dynamic than I think western medicine truly gives it credit for.
According to most people I know you're only supposed to have the flu every 3 or 4 years or so.
Personally I've gotten it every year around the exact same time since I was 14. Sometime in late march early April I'll just suddenly wake up with the feeling that a truck ran over me and fever.
No idea why it's that consistent.
 
They tried to infect prisoners in Unit 731 with syphylis by injection. Didn't work, so they resigned to the tried 'n true method of forcing prisoners already sick to rape healthy ones. Maybe this covid trial used the wrong methodology?
 
Which is odd, and I e never heard any convincing explanation for what was going on.
Another odd thing is that there was a case of some Antarctic researchers who had been in total isolation for over nine months who all suddenly got a bad cold. This should not be possible. Again, never heard a decent explanation
Something similar happened in Nome, Alaska. Spanish Flu arrived to the town, despite no outside contact.

I don't know what the real name is, but I had a professor in college who used to talk about what he called "The Sargasso Sea Theory". It definitely wasn't his own idea, but some theory common before the 1970's or so, but I don't know what the official name was.

Basically it hypothesized that there exists a layer in the upper troposphere several miles above the Earth, where viruses and bacteria exist and are carried around the planet, sort of trapped by the high winds and evolving completely cut off from the rest of the planet.

Theory goes that when a new virus epidemic occurs somewhere in strange places seemingly out of nowhere, like Antarctica or Alaska, that is actually a virus that descended out of the Sargassum layer and fell to Earth. He argued that Influenza first showed up in birds, which encountered it first in the upper atmosphere and then helped to spread it around the Earth, and that's why it suddenly appeared nearly everywhere all at once a few centuries ago.

I believe this theory was an inspiration for Crichton's "Andromeda Strain" novel, since there's a lot of similarities.

It's also recently been partially confirmed, as scientists have discovered hundreds of billions of viruses and bacteria become trapped in the atmosphere during storms and spread around the planet by the Jet Stream. Not that big a leap to think some of them stay up there and evolve separately from surface organisms.

 
I wonder if there's any possibility of the body spontaneously reassembling a virus from retrovirus fragments encoded in our DNA. They still occasionally pop out viral proteins and have been seen to be active in cancer cells.
A lot of retrotransposons, if they are not already mutated, are heavily methylated. This of course does not mean that they don't ever get transcribed or even translated, but it does mean the host -- i.e. us -- have some control over when does that happen.
 
The initial landmark incomplete Pfizer COVID jab trial used to approve the initial series was run over a 10 week period.

In both cohorts, 99% of patients enrolled didn't acquire COVID in the community (this wasn't a challenge trial).

The claims of a 90% reduction in COVID transmission were based off the fact that about 1% of the control group caught COVID whereas only 0.1% of the jab arm did.

So they claimed a Relative Risk Reduction over 90% when the real world applied Absolute Risk Reduction was actually 0.9%.

This was the less virulent alpha strain before the more transmissible Delta and Omicron variants emerged.

But it also showed what a nothingburger the OG COVID strain was even months into the pandemic (the trial IIRC ran from Aug to Oct '20 initially).

The real world chance of even encountering a COVID infection in fall '20 was less than somewhere around 1% for that 3 month period.
 
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