Science fiction discussion

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i like more the other flavor of HFY
it's when human seen as special because of how active our bodies are. we are constantly warm, constantly moving, constantly making sound and constantly thinking, which would make overwhelming for other races to even look at us. not to mention that human body produces drugs that it injects in itself and spewing hormones around itself, and unprepared mind can just get addicted to being around a human.
you know kinda how we describe our eldritch horrors, just swap mind control and addiction part.
Thing is that it's likely going to be very similar for any alien lifeform that evolved on a similar type of planet. It's kinda hard to come up with aliens that are realistic, strange enough to be interesting, while also living in places that are reasonably accessible for a plot involving humans to make sense.
I finally decided to actually start working on a novel that I had the ideas for for a while. Gonna work on the outline and such now, and then see where it takes me.
 
Neal Asher's Polity series is interesting. It's like if the Culture and warhammer 40k had a baby. The author has shit out a ton of books, they are a bit pulpy but the first ones are good. Gridlinked

Are they good? Well considering how low of a bar modern sci-fi is setting, I'd say they are a fun read given the lack of other options.
 
I have been reading some of the novels and spinoff series from Alastair Reynolds's "Revelation Space" series. It's pretty good, very imaginative in all aspects of the setting, I can see why everyone raves about the series as one of the best modern examples of hard sci-fi.

But I did find it amusing that there are regular references to "Canasian" as the prestige language/dialect of the high-tech interstellar aristocracy. It is explicitly described as a fusion of Quebecois French and Cantonese, which is fine (Quebec + Hongcouver = new culture of superpower Canada, plausible enough), and the people are said to have a Sino-French genetic mix. But it is funny to think of them talking in a really earthy joual-accent and with distinctive Quebecois pronunciation.

Instead of pronouncing "Canasian" as Kuh-nay-shun, they would say it like Kah-nahz-yayn.
 
Just finished The Hail Mary Project

It's good. Not great. Lots of plot holes for sure but over all interesting. Something I'd recommend if you want some hard sci-fi but still want some fun stuff in there.

Plus I hear that Netflix is making it into a movie so read the book before Netflix fills it full of faggots and pedophiles.
 
It's not even 20 years old, but Alastair Reynolds's Blue Remembered Earth feels ancient against modern sensibilities.

So, there's this wealthy industrialist family out of Africa, with an African last name, and China and Africa are implied to be world superpowers, and the founder of this family enterprise was a woman. If describing a modern book this smattering of statements would imply a smug woke diatribe against stale pale males and colonialism, generously landmined with paeans to Black genius and Women Getting It Done.

But no, thank God, it's just worldbuilding. Progressive worldbuilding, yes, but not navel-gazing, not relentlessly fixated on itself. How I miss this Star Trek style unassuming progressivism!
 
Something fun and light? I'd love to recommend Keith Laumer or Harry Harrison.

I do love me some Stainless Steel Rat action. Those books are always fun, if a little bland, entertainment.

Never read any of his serous stuff though. I should put that on my list.

Been trying to work my way through some of the classic eastern sci-fi stuff as I'm trying to broaden my reading mindset. Mostly Russian writers like We and Red Star. Pretty decent so far.

I loved Nightwatch the movie but the book is better.
 
ugh I just finished Blindsight last night because people just would not shut up about it...and it was free.

It's...good and all but damn is it dark. Like after putting it down I needed a drink of good scotch. That end is bleak as all hell and what the author states about intelligence and the universe makes enough sense to give me chills.

So yah read it but it's not a fun ride. I'm a need something a little more light now to balance things out.
I'd suggest "Rainbow's End" by Vernor Vinge. It's a near-future story about a guy cured from Alzheimer's through rejuvenation therapy getting involved in a data heist/alternate reality game confluence. It presents some wonderful ideas about where current tech might go in the future and how society might change from that, and the plotline just flows downwards. Vinge was just as good as Watts at extrapolating current tech trends into cool ideas for the near future, but he's much much more of a "Positive Polly" as Our Benefactor would phrase it.
 
but he's much much more of a "Positive Polly" as Our Benefactor would phrase it.
That's good to know, I'll pick Rainbow's End back up! A Fire Upon the Deep was bleak enough to make me leery of the rest of his output.
 
Update, I have now finished "Cryptonomicon (audiobook)", Not exactly Sci-Fi. However, it is still pretty good. Still ties in history like snow crash. I am going to read Reamde, I do have that one as a physical book. 1000+ pages, gonna be a fun time.
I mostly listen to audiobooks while at work. I don't really find a specific time to sit and read.
If anyone has an recommendations for any books to read or listen to once I am done with All Necessary Force by Brad Taylor (not scifi), Let me know! Thanks.
 
Have any of you read "Where Late the Sweet Birds Sing" by Kate Wilhelm? The book club I'm in read that a few months ago and it's really stuck with me ever since, especially the second third of the book. It's a pretty interesting take on cloning, but the collectivism vs. individualism aspect of the book is the weakest aspect of it imo.
 
Have any of you read "Where Late the Sweet Birds Sing" by Kate Wilhelm? The book club I'm in read that a few months ago and it's really stuck with me ever since, especially the second third of the book. It's a pretty interesting take on cloning, but the collectivism vs. individualism aspect of the book is the weakest aspect of it imo.

It's a good read. I think it could probably have been extended a bit further, but it seems to have been the first SF book to go into the idea of a clone-based society at this level and the collectivism vs individualism stuff is interesting and
I do wish it was executed a tad better. Wilhelm used the venerable cliche of inserting ESP to explain it, sort of. But I think it could have been cool to see a paranoia about a society of innate collectivists breaking down. We got bits of that, but Wilhelm chose to focus on character driven stuff instead of the worldbuilding. I think it's a fair trade. But now? I kinda wish we got more insight into that. I liked how everything degraded and went crazy because the clone-based society went full collectivist and sorta stagnated and degraded in so many ways. I suspect that, perhaps, the book may have been trimmed and edited to be the way it was. I feel like you could have set more parts in the second and third parts of the book to display the clone collectivism and all the societal degradation.

Either way, good book.
 
I recently have read The Forever War by Joe Haldeman and Inherit the Stars by James P. Hogan.

Both are 1970's as fuck but they were very good. Forever War was a little much with the very obvious Vietnam War analogy but it was still done well and was pretty interesting. The end is very 70's but ended sweet enough for me. I know both books have sequels but I don't know if I'm going to do all that.

I've also been working my way through The Expanse books. I read the first 4. They're ok. Some are better than others (I loved number 3). My only issue with them is that the first 2/3s of each book are literally just setting things up and the last third is the actual good stuff. The payoff is worth it but it takes a while to get there.
 
I recently have read The Forever War by Joe Haldeman and Inherit the Stars by James P. Hogan.

Both are 1970's as fuck but they were very good. Forever War was a little much with the very obvious Vietnam War analogy but it was still done well and was pretty interesting. The end is very 70's but ended sweet enough for me. I know both books have sequels but I don't know if I'm going to do all that.

I've also been working my way through The Expanse books. I read the first 4. They're ok. Some are better than others (I loved number 3). My only issue with them is that the first 2/3s of each book are literally just setting things up and the last third is the actual good stuff. The payoff is worth it but it takes a while to get there.
The Forever War is one I 100% want to read this year. I hear it's interesting.

Hogan's INherit the Stars is one I wanna find someday. It's got a manga adaptation that's pretty good.
 
I was recommended the Black Ocean series by J.S. Morin and I have to say I don't think I really liked it? The premise is that magic is real and space is like the surface of a sphere and plunging into the depths using magic allows you to travel vast distances much faster. The main characters of the first few books are a mass murderer and a swindler and his family and I got to be honest they're unlikable. The same person recommended me Viridian Gate Online (a series where people got SOMA'd because the Earth faced an apocalypse and it was the only way to survive, and now they are fighting for control of the game and battling the AIs) and although I like the premise i'm hesitant because he clearly has shit tastes in books

It compares to the Starship Mage series by Glynn Stewart, where genetic engineers on Mars accidentally created mages who develop a way to teleport a ship across a light year. This one is a lot more pro-authoritarian, where the Mage-King and his Hands are shown to be honorable leaders despite the conspiracy of a secret order (which ends up creating the problems they were meant to avoid because they had to justify the extremes they went to in order to save Humans from a dark secret - one that would've been a non-issue if they could stop killing people for a little bit and communicated what the secret was so people could check and see it's not a problem unless you poke the sleeping bear which of course they did). In this one the main characters of the books are a Hand (like an inquisitor) and a military officer and they are characters that conduct themselves with honor and use their great power fort he good of the people. It's an interesting read and I'm waiting for the next book.

I still recommend The Lost Fleet by Jack Campbell to anyone who hasn't read it. It is a space battle series where the writer (an actual red-blooded male naval officer) theorizes what space battles are like in a world where the only fully fictional technology they have is inertia dampeners and wormholes and everything else is plausible evolution of our current technology. So space battles are fought over massive distances where the speed of light is a constant problem that needs to be accounted for when strategizing what the enemy is doing while trying to get to a wormhole so that they can get back to safety. The main character is a man who had to abandon ship during an older attack and was in a cyro stasis life pod, and was woken up a hundred years later to find that the people consider him to be a living legend and a god that walks among him, and he has to save the fleet from a surprise attack gone wrong deep in enemy territory and needs to find a way to get the fleet back into safe territory, while walking the balance of dealing with people who worship him and will blindly follow him and people who think he's a fraud and won't listen when he calls out their terrible tactics. It's an interesting series that goes fascinatingly deep into the technical details of battling and managing logistics, and learning to crack heads to keep the captains of the other ships in line. The people have a strong traditionalist culture, believing that their ancestors are protecting them and guiding them and so they offer prayers to their ancestors (one of the protagonists' descendants noted that they believed he was still alive because they could never feel him among the rest of the ancestors, but mostly the metaphysical aspect is kept within the realm of theory and luck)
 
I was rereading The Lost World for the first time since I was a teen and holy shit was Michael Crichton prescient. This was written 30+ years ago and it has become entirely true.

"Although personally, I think cyberspace means the end of our species."

Yes? Why is that?"

Because it means the end of innovation," Malcolm said. "This idea that the whole world is wired together is mass death. Every biologist knows that small groups in isolation evolve fastest. You put a thousand birds on an ocean island and they'll evolve very fast. You put ten thousand on a big continent, and their evolution slows down. Now, for our own species, evolution occurs mostly through our behaviour. We innovate new behaviour to adapt. And everybody on earth knows that innovation only occurs in small groups. Put three people on a committee and they may get something done. Ten people, and it gets harder. Thirty people, and nothing happens. Thirty million, it becomes impossible. That's the effect of mass media - it keeps anything from happening. Mass media swamps diversity. It makes every place the same. Bangkok or Tokyo or London: there's a McDonald's on one corner, a Benetton on another, a Gap across the street. Regional differences vanish. All differences vanish. In a mass-media world, there's less of everything except the top ten books, records, movies, ideas. People worry about losing species diversity in the rain forest. But what about intellectual diversity - our most necessary resource? That's disappearing faster than trees. But we haven't figured that out, so now we're planning to put five billion people together in cyberspace. And it'll freeze the entire species. Everything will stop dead in its tracks. Everyone will think the same thing at the same time. Global uniformity."
 
I was rereading The Lost World for the first time since I was a teen and holy shit was Michael Crichton prescient. This was written 30+ years ago and it has become entirely true.
Crichton was incredibly smart and his shift towards thrillers was more pragmatic than anything. That being said, The Lost World, as a story, fucking sucks and never would have happened had Spielberg not pressured him into it. As much as I'll recommend Jurassic Park, I'll anti-recommend it's sequel.
 
Crichton was incredibly smart and his shift towards thrillers was more pragmatic than anything. That being said, The Lost World, as a story, fucking sucks and never would have happened had Spielberg not pressured him into it. As much as I'll recommend Jurassic Park, I'll anti-recommend it's sequel.

The reason is understandable. He didn't want a sequel to Jurassic Park, the studio and Spielberg said they were going to do it anyways, so he had to race to pump one out before the movie came out.
 
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