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Recently read Ubik by Phillip K Dick. I've only every read Do Androids by him. There's a lot of praise on the internet about this one, despite it never being adapted. At least if you don't count it as where Christopher Nolan gets all his ideas from. It's an action adventure story, but the plot is so deeply satirical I felt like it came off like a conflicting experience. Though that may be intentional. I dunno maybe I need to sit with it longer. Any suggestions for another PKD novel to get into?
Dick's interesting. I know some of his works aren't universally beloved. Do Androids/Man in the High Castle are his most popular works. A Scanner Darkly is one I've also heard to be good.
Someone recommended VALIS to me, I really didn't get it. It's put me off Dick somewhat. The impression I get is that he was more relevant if you were there at the time and it hasn't aged well.
Dick is weird. He's certainly one of the giants of sci-fi, but he's very centered on the nature of the self/identity/reality. His later works can get really weird and involve a lot of reference to theological/philosophical concepts, iirc.

Basically, he's a schizo that channeled that stuff into his writing and all of that got cranked up as the years went on. The right balance of it made a lot of his earlier stuff interesting and well-recieved (Androids, Ubik, High Castle, etc) . I hear his short fiction's pretty good if you do like that.
 
Dick's interesting. I know some of his works aren't universally beloved. Do Androids/Man in the High Castle are his most popular works. A Scanner Darkly is one I've also heard to be good.

Dick is weird. He's certainly one of the giants of sci-fi, but he's very centered on the nature of the self/identity/reality. His later works can get really weird and involve a lot of reference to theological/philosophical concepts, iirc.

Basically, he's a schizo that channeled that stuff into his writing and all of that got cranked up as the years went on. The right balance of it made a lot of his earlier stuff interesting and well-recieved (Androids, Ubik, High Castle, etc) . I hear his short fiction's pretty good if you do like that.
All you need to know about Dick-fill is he was a huge fan of amphetamine and it shows in how he wrote. I've never been able to get through a single book of his myself. Though with one of them it starts with the protagonist talking to Gandalf in VR or some shit for some unfathomable reason and that just made me cringe so hard I had to put it down less than a page in.
 
it starts with the protagonist talking to Gandalf in VR or some shit for some unfathomable reason and that just made me cringe so hard I had to put it down less than a page in.
Well, there's an interview with Dick at https://hex.ooo/library/vertex_pkd.html
VERTEX: What sf writers have influenced your work the most?

DICK: ...But there’s no doubt who got me off originally and that was A.E. van Vogt. There was in van Vogt’s writing a mysterious quality, and this was especially true in The World of Null A. All the parts of that book did not add up; all the ingredients did not make a coherency. Now some people are put off by that. They think that’s sloppy and wrong, but the thing that fascinated me so much was that this resembled reality more than anybody else’s writing inside or outside science fiction.

VERTEX: What about Damon Knight’s famous article criticizing van Vogt?

DICK: Damon feels that it’s bad artistry when you build those funky universes where people fall through the floor. It’s like he’s viewing a story the way a building inspector would when he’s building your house. But reality really is a mess, and yet it’s exciting. The basic thing is, how frightened are you of chaos? And how happy are you with order? Van Vogt influenced me so much because he made me appreciate a mysterious chaotic quality in the universe which is not to be feared.
His later works can get really weird and involve a lot of reference to theological/philosophical concepts, iirc.
Well he certainly had thought about religion and philosophy. He gave a speech, https://hex.ooo/library/how_to_build.html, and he mentions some coincidences:
In 1970 I wrote a novel called Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said. One of the characters is a nineteen-year-old girl named Kathy. Her husband’s name is Jack. Kathy appears to work for the criminal underground, but later, as we read deeper into the novel, we discover that actually she is working for the police. She has a relationship going on with a police inspector. The character is pure fiction. Or at least I thought it was.
Anyhow, on Christmas Day of 1970, I met a girl named Kathy — this was after I had finished the novel, you understand. She was nineteen years old. Her boyfriend was named Jack. I soon learned that Kathy was a drug dealer. I spent months trying to get her to give up dealing drugs; I kept warning her again and again that she would get caught. Then, one evening as we were entering a restaurant together, Kathy stopped short and said, “I can’t go in.” Seated in the restaurant was a police inspector whom I knew. “I have to tell you the truth,” Kathy said. “I have a relationship with him.”
Certainly, these are odd coincidences. Perhaps I have precognition. But the mystery becomes even more perplexing; the next stage totally baffles me. It has for four years.
In 1974 the novel was published by Doubleday. One afternoon I was talking to my priest — I am an Episcopalian — and I happened to mention to him an important scene near the end of the novel in which the character Felix Buckman meets a black stranger at an all-night gas station, and they begin to talk. As I described the scene in more and more detail, my priest became progressively more agitated. At last he said, “That is a scene from the Book of Acts, from the Bible! In Acts, the person who meets the black man on the road is named Philip — your name.” Father Rasch was so upset by the resemblance that he could not even locate the scene in his Bible. “Read Acts,” he instructed me. “And you’ll agree. It’s the same down to specific details.”
I went home and read the scene in Acts. Yes, Father Rasch was right; the scene in my novel was an obvious retelling of the scene in Acts… and I had never read Acts, I must admit. But again the puzzle became deeper. In Acts, the high Roman official who arrests and interrogates Saint Paul is named Felix — the same name as my character. And my character Felix Buckman is a high-ranking police general; in fact, in my novel he holds the same office as Felix in the Book of Acts: the final authority. There is a conversation in my novel which very closely resembles a conversation between Felix and Paul.
 
I recently reread Dick's Dr. Bloodmoney - it's not one of his better-known books, but I recommend it.

Bloodmoney was written n 1965, but takes places in 1981. The characters are (mostly) everyday people living in a world that's been shaped by disasters, some that happened in the real world (one teenager is a thalidomide baby who was born without arms and legs) and some that didn't. The characters are ordinary people living their lives, raising their kids and going to work. And then an even bigger disaster hits.

This isn't a story about a bunch of good guys who have to overcome a bunch of bad guys; initially, the characters seem to be imperfect, everyday people, and you gradually realize that the crisis has allowed some of them to become very bad guys indeed. Dick doesn't spell out the worldbuilding, either, just builds it up with conversations and small details - the astronaut stranded in orbit reading classic literature aloud over his radio, the "glasses man" going from town to town with cases of scavenged lenses, the too-smart dogs that can talk a little.

Dick wrote dozens of novels and over a hundred short stories - some of them are idea-driven science fiction, others seem more like psychedelic drug trips than coherent stories. Personally I like the ones that (as @Alexander Thaut said) strike a balance, which tend to be from the middle of his career, but some people really love the druggy ones from later on.
 
Suggestions please. Scifi for younger kids, say 8 to 11. Ergo, no banging/sexy times classic of the Golden Age. No heaving bosoms, yada yada. I can't think of anything and whenever I go back to the scifi I was reading at that age, the bosoms heave right off the page. Basically, looking for stuff to introduce kids to scifi. It is a million times easier to find fantasy which is age-suitable for kids that age, but scifi I'm drawing blanks.
Lem is super clean and has alot of cool shorter stories.
Fables for Robots is just a fairytale book with robots and its very cool
 
I was binging Adrian Tchaikovsky over the holidays (Children of Time trilogy, the two Expert System novellas, and Shards of Earth) but that ground to a halt while I'm waiting for a library copy of the second Final Architecture book. Excellent aliens, I'm looking forward to reading more of his stuff.

Dick doesn't spell out the worldbuilding, either, just builds it up with conversations and small details
I've always loved how Dick presents his worldbuilding. Like Barney waking up in The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, hungover and in an unfamiliar bedroom, but deciding he's still on Earth because of how the gravity feels. Buttery smooth delivery of setting details, all via things a character would actually think to themselves rather than crude infodumping. His plots aren't always coherent or watertight, but he makes up for it in other ways.

Hey how many series have Christian religion in them? Like the Dust series by Elizabeth Bear is aboard a colony ship full of radical Christians that were delving into nanotech experiments, and I guess The Expanse had the Navoo which was supposed to be a Mormon colony ship.
Christopher Ruocchio's Empire of Silence series has it as subtext, and eventually closer to text with a character that belongs to an ancient "minority religion" in this far future setting. It's the sort of setup where you can choose read it as "God, angels and Jesus are real," or the "God and angels are aliens so advanced its effectively the same thing."
 
Just finished Sergei Lukyanenko's Labyrinth of Reflections, a 1996 cyberpunk novel from Russia. In the near future there's immersive VR, the Deep, and most people rely on their computers and special suits to log them out (you can die of starvation if you don't). The main character is a Diver, who can pop in and out of the Deep at will, giving him abilities there most people don't have.

Most of the book takes place inside a VR version of Doom. Not a made-up game that's supposed to remind you of Doom - Doom, with the BFG-9000 and the cyberdemons and a virtual bar that we're told looks like the final level of Doom II. Lukyanenko isn't interested in speculating about how VR might change humanity or society - he just thinks it would be cool AF to play his favorite video game in VR and wrote a whole book about it.

As you might guess, Labyrinth is full of references to 90s computing - Pentiums! Math coprocessors! Fidonet! At one point the main character blunders into a VR game of Master of Orion (which might be the only thing Lukyanenko changes the name of, to Master of Sirius. Did Microprose have better lawyers in Russia than id software?)

It's an adventure story that's simultaneously retro and futuristic. I enjoyed it, and there are several more in the series. And it's not woke or anti-woke - there's no forced diversity (at one point, Leonid comments that he'll never understand the racial stuff Americans stuff into videogames), but there aren't any authorial rants intended to own the libs, either. Just fast-paced sci-fi with no modern politics.
 
Since we are reviving this thread

I read A Signal Shattered by Eric Nylund and found it's premise and conclusion very interesting. It does suffer for a Gary Sue style protagonist who seems to figure things out just in the nick of time on very little information every time a crisis comes up but the world it builds and the antagonist, especially the alien known as Wheeler, are very unique and compelling.

I'd start off with the firt book even if it's a the weaker of the two but all in all a good read if you like thinking about funky futures and all the possible ways mankind could evolve in the the far future.

8/10
 
Halfway through Jack Williamson's "Darker Than You Think" and this book is really really fun. I like the ideas, the intrigue, the rug-pulls, and the whole nature of Will Barbee's dilemma.

Also reading some Clark Ashton Smith for the first time. Abominations of Yondo is neat. His prose is great but it also feels like I need to be in the mood to digest it.

Likely reading Roadside Picnic when I'm done with Darker Than You Think.
 
Have you read Roadside Picnic before? I hate to say "you're in for a treat" when it's so dark. Great book - looking forward to hear what you think of it. The movie, Stalker, is great too.
Haven't read it yet.

SF TBR List goes:

Darker than You Think (60% done)
Roadside Picnic
Canticle for Leibowitz
Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Short fiction collections

Chronopolis
The Best of Leigh Brackett
The Playboy Book of SF
 
Last year I read a translated Japanese sci-fi novel from the seventies called The Sacred Era, written by the same guy that did Konpeki no Kantai. The setting reminds me a lot of Dune and Canticle for Leibowitz, though the guy also takes inspiration from the works of Philip K. Dick as well. There are a lot of different things going on at once, but the main plot is spurned on by the disappearance of a famous painting from terrestrial history, Garden of Earthly Delights by Hieronymous Bosch. I'll let the publisher's description speak for itself:
The magnum opus of a Japanese master of speculative fiction, and a book that established Yoshio Aramaki as a leading representative of the genre, The Sacred Era is part post-apocalyptic world, part faux-religious tract, and part dream narrative. In a distant future ruled by a new Papal Court serving the Holy Empire of Igitur, a young student known only as K arrives at the capital to take The Sacred Examination, a text that will qualify him for metaphysical research service with the court. His performance earns him an assignment in the secret Planet Bosch Research Department; this in turn puts him on the trail of a heretic executed many years earlier, whose headless ghost is still said to haunt the Papal Court, which carries him on an interplanetary pilgrimage across the Space Taklamakan Desert to the Planet Loulan, where time stands still, and finally to the mysterious, supposedly mythical Planet Bosch, a giant, floating plant-world that once orbited Earth but has somehow wandered 1,000 light years away.
K’s journey to this strange world, seemingly sprung from Hieronymus Bosch’s Garden of Earthly Delights, is a journey into inner and outer space, as the novel traffics in mystic and metaphysical questions only to transform them into technical and astrophysical problems, translating the substance of religious and mythic texts into the language of science fiction.
 
Any recs for space war/adventure books? The ones I've enjoyed include World at the End of Time, the Giants quintet, and some Star Wars and anime novels I won't put here. Also thanks for the Yoshio Aramaki rec; I've been curious about his work for a while.
 
Any recs for space war/adventure books? The ones I've enjoyed include World at the End of Time, the Giants quintet, and some Star Wars and anime novels I won't put here. Also thanks for the Yoshio Aramaki rec; I've been curious about his work for a while.
I've heard that A. Bertram Chandler's stuff often goes into Space Opera adventures. Larry Niven (Ringworld, Known Space, Man-Kzin Wars), E. E. Smith (Lensmen, Skylark), Poul Anderson (Flandry, Technic Empire, etc), Ursula K. le Guin (Hainish Cycle), Stanley G. Weinbaum (Martian Odyssey), Murray Leinster (Med Ship Saga, Forgotten Planet, etc), Roger Zelazny (Lord of Light), L. Sprague de Camp (Krishna series, Viagens series), James Blish (Cities in Flight), Edmond Hamilton (Star Kings, Captain Future), Leigh Brackett (Stark), Gordon Dickson (Dorsai, etc.),Frederick Pohl (Gateway series, Space Merchants), Cordwainer Smith (Entirety of SF work, Rediscovery of Man, Norstrillia), A. E. Van Vogt (Space Beagle, Slan, etc) and Hal Clement (Mission of Gravity, Heavy Planet, etc.) all might offer you something you may like.

YMMV. Hope you find something here.
 
Finished the classic HeeChee Saga. Mr. Pohl has a scat and sex humor fetish; I don't need to hear about every time the character has to move their bowels FFS. I didn't appreciate the sexualizing of teens/teen angst sections, I know this was a dystopian kind of setting but like it's kind of creepy and unnecessary sometimes. Lots of redundant padding and rehashing, saga could have been 4 books instead of 7; he likes to use double negatives like a 3rd grader trying to fill the 300 word count for an essay. Unlikable neurotic characters, I was rooting for the antagonists. Over-arching plot and world building was great though. Score: 4/10. It would have been a 6/10 but I'm knocking off a point each for 2 heinously unfunny pedophilic "jokes."

I preferred his novel "Jem" to the HeeChee Saga.
 
I wish they'd make a mini series adaptation of A Mote in God's eye. I've never finished the sequel yet. Really loved the first book. Highly recommended if you want a good mix of military drama and very interesting aliens. I would say don't even look into it much. Just read it. Don't get spoiled
 
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Finished the classic HeeChee Saga. Mr. Pohl has a scat and sex humor fetish; I don't need to hear about every time the character has to move their bowels FFS. I didn't appreciate the sexualizing of teens/teen angst sections, I know this was a dystopian kind of setting but like it's kind of creepy and unnecessary sometimes. Lots of redundant padding and rehashing, saga could have been 4 books instead of 7; he likes to use double negatives like a 3rd grader trying to fill the 300 word count for an essay. Unlikable neurotic characters, I was rooting for the antagonists. Over-arching plot and world building was great though. Score: 4/10. It would have been a 6/10 but I'm knocking off a point each for 2 heinously unfunny pedophilic "jokes."

I preferred his novel "Jem" to the HeeChee Saga.
I stopped at Gateway. I think it was fine, the sequel hook was obvious, but I find Robinette to be kind of someone I can only stand once in a while as a book's protagonist.

It was interesting, I'll give it that. But, honestly, I'm gonna go read the other shit I have by him before I go forward. Jem, The Space Merchants (with Kornbluth), and Man Plus. Well, I also have his "Best of" and "The Early Pohl" so I may dip into those too.

What's your take on each HeeChee book? I did love the world and plot. Robinette is a bit of a neurotic lolcow.

I wish they'd make a mini series adaptation of A Mote in God's eye. I've never finished the sequel yet. Really loved the first book. Highly recommended if you want a good mix of military drama and very interesting aliens. I would say don't even look into it much. Just read it. Don't get spoiled
Isn't the deal with Niven (and Pournelle) that the hard science and political science will be good and imaginative, but their skill as writers isn't good enough to really give perfect execution of the stuff they come up with.
 
Isn't the deal with Niven (and Pournelle) that the hard science and political science will be good and imaginative, but their skill as writers isn't good enough to really give perfect execution of the stuff they come up with.
I haven't read much else by them. I tried reading ring world and it was so much exposition I stopped. Mote has characters, are they super deep? No, but they have some personality and drama and they're left to breathe long enough between bouts of exposition. I felt ring world almost had that and it just kept being halted for him to write all about some concept or idea and using the main character as a blatant mouth piece for it. I know that's inherent in sci-fi. You have a concept or idea or theory and want to write about it in a story. Really good writers will flow that into a story and you won't even notice it. Then you have others, where the book is really just some guy telling you all about these cool ideas he had with the thin veneer of a story. Mote felt like a good mix, there's a lot of room to flesh out characters more, but I was engaged and didn't stop reading it like ring world.
 
I read A Signal Shattered by Eric Nylund and found it's premise and conclusion very interesting. It does suffer for a Gary Sue style protagonist who seems to figure things out just in the nick of time on very little information every time a crisis comes up but the world it builds and the antagonist, especially the alien known as Wheeler, are very unique and compelling.
I just finished Nylund's Signal and Noise, the first in the series - thanks for the recommendation! It reminded me of Peter Watts' Starfish - which also starts with a tight focus on a small group of people, and then gets a larger and larger scope as the story goes on. It starts off as a futuristic espionage novel (as one character puts it, "the trick is figuring out who’s on which side when") but then it piles on the technological breakthroughs. And you say the second one is even better?
Any recs for space war/adventure books? The ones I've enjoyed include World at the End of Time, the Giants quintet, and some Star Wars and anime novels I won't put here. Also thanks for the Yoshio Aramaki rec; I've been curious about his work for a while.
David Weber's Honorverse novels are military space opera, and if you like them, you won't run out of them any time soon - there are dozens of books in the series.
 
But, honestly, I'm gonna go read the other shit I have by him before I go forward. Jem, The Space Merchants (with Kornbluth), and Man Plus. Well, I also have his "Best of" and "The Early Pohl" so I may dip into those too.
I loved The Space Merchants and the sequel, The Merchant War.
What's your take on each HeeChee book? I did love the world and plot.
As I said he rehashes a lot so it all kind of became a blur. He admitted (I think it was the author's note at the end of the 5th or 6th Book) that some of the scientific theories that inspired his story had fallen out of favor in the science community, while others he used were further embraced; in that way it was interesting to see what IRL people were believing/excited about in the past. The whole saga was richly layered, cohesive, and had continuity (personally I only noticed one very minor discontinuity in the plot). Obviously, I have mixed feelings.
Robinette is a bit of a neurotic lolcow.
Lol, very true. Maybe having character development and depth into his rough childhood would have made him more likeable, Pohl kind of breezes through that but to root for an underdog I need to see him really be "under." Believe it or not Rob wasn't even the most annoying and oppressive character, and this particular character has a lot of dialogue.
 
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