Law Sacked vegan claims he was discriminated against - Maybe it's because you're a whistle blower?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46385597

A tribunal is to be asked to decide whether veganism is a "philosophical belief" akin to a religion, in a landmark legal action.

Jordi Casamitjana says he was sacked by the League Against Cruel Sports after disclosing it invested pension funds in firms involved in animal testing.

He claims he was discriminated against, and the tribunal will now decide if veganism should be protected in law.

The League Against Cruel Sports says he was dismissed for gross misconduct.

It denies the sacking was because of his veganism.

Mr Casamitjana says he is an "ethical" vegan.

"Some people only eat a vegan diet but they don't care about the environment or the animals, they only care about their health," he told the BBC.

"I care about the animals and the environment and my health and everything.

"That's why I use this term 'ethical veganism' because for me veganism is a belief and affects every single aspect of my life."

Plant-based
Dietary vegans and ethical vegans both eat a plant-based diet.

However, ethical vegans try to exclude all forms of animal exploitation, for instance avoiding wearing or buying clothing made from wool or leather, or toiletries from companies that carry out animal testing.

They may refer to "companion animals" rather than "pets", and will avoid zoos or other environments where they consider animals are exploited.

Mr Casamitjana worked for the animal welfare charity the League Against Cruel Sports and claims that, to his surprise, he discovered it was investing its pension funds in companies that carried out animal testing.

He says he drew this to the attention of his managers.

When nothing changed, he informed other employees and was sacked as a result.

He is now bringing a legal case, claiming he was discriminated against on the basis of his vegan belief.

'Factually wrong'
In a statement, the League Against Cruel Sports said: "Mr Casamitjana was dismissed from his position because of gross misconduct.

"To link his dismissal with issues pertaining to veganism is factually wrong.

"Mr Casamitjana is seeking to use his veganism as the reason for his dismissal. We emphatically reject this claim."

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Image captionMr Casamitjana supports a range of ethical and animal rights causes
However, in a hearing next March, an employment tribunal will, for the first time, determine whether veganism is a "philosophical belief" protected by law.

If the tribunal decides that it is, the discrimination claim will proceed to a full trial.

"Religion or belief" is one of nine "protected characteristics" covered by the Equality Act 2010.

The others, all ranked equally, are:

  • age
  • disability
  • gender reassignment
  • marriage and civil partnership
  • pregnancy and maternity
  • race
  • sex
  • sexual orientation
It is unlawful for an employer to discriminate directly, by treating an employee less favourably than others because of their religion or belief.

Harassment and victimisation on grounds of religion or belief are also unlawful, as is indirect discrimination, by applying a criterion or practice that disadvantages employees of a particular religion or belief unless there is an objective justification.

To qualify as a philosophical belief, veganism must:

  • be genuinely held
  • be a belief as to a weighty and substantial aspect of human life and behaviour
  • attain a certain level of cogency, seriousness, cohesion and importance
  • be worthy of respect in a democratic society, not be incompatible with human dignity and not conflict with the fundamental rights of others
  • be a belief, not an opinion or viewpoint based on the present state of information available
If Mr Casamitjana succeeds in his hearing, the consequences for vegans could be life-changing.

His solicitor, Peter Daly, of Bindmans LLP, said: "If we are successful, we will achieve a judgment which formally recognises the protected status of ethical veganism and which could then be used as the basis to combat discrimination against vegans in employment, in the provision of goods and services, and in education.

"This is therefore a landmark case."

But Nick Spencer, from the think tank Theos, which stimulates debate about religion in society, warns of dangers in unrestricted recognition and legal protection of people's beliefs.

"The irony in all this is that rights are intended to be liberating but if we're all turned into rights bearers, my rights clashing with your rights, we end up having to appeal to the courts to sort out our differences and that can become oppressive for everybody," he said.

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Image captionClashing rights could become "oppressive", warns Nick Spencer, of Theos
Figures from the Vegan Society, which supports Mr Casamitjana, suggest veganism is on the rise.

The society says there are currently 600,000 vegans in Britain, up from about 150,000 in 2014. It bases its estimate on surveys from the Food Standards Agency, Ipsos Mori and the National Centre for Social Science Research.

"For many people, veganism is a deeply held belief," says Louise Davies, Vegan Society head of campaigns, policy and research.

"This could be a landmark ruling that will not only recognise the validity and importance of veganism but also confirm that the needs of vegans in their employment and their everyday lives must be taken seriously."

Mr Casamitjana says he has been discriminated against many times because of his vegan beliefs.

He said: "It is important for all the vegans to know that if they want to talk about veganism, they are protected and no-one will say 'Shut up'.

"It is important that the law protects vegans."


He said: "It is important for all the vegans to know that if they want to talk about veganism, they are protected and no-one will say 'Shut up'.

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I can tell a street preacher to shut the fuck up, I can tell a vegan to do the same.
 
"Some people only eat a vegan diet but they don't care about the environment or the animals, they only care about their health,"

But thank god you're so much better than those other people doing the exact same as you because your reasons are more virtue signalling.

However, in a hearing next March, an employment tribunal will, for the first time, determine whether veganism is a "philosophical belief" protected by law.

I hope they realise that if they force the courts to recognise dietary choices as a "philosophical belief" then normal people will also be protected from your reeing about eating meat.
 
If veganism is a philosophical belief then so is meat eating. I am going to find a vegan cafe and demand a pork chop and if they refuse, it's off to the court of human rights for me
 
I can respect the position of wanting to protect animals from exploitation; however, don’t be a smug jackass about not eating meat. You’re not morally superior, and you don’t need a law protecting that view point of yours. Just don’t be a jackass about it, and chances are, people won’t care.
 
I mean what're the chances an organisation called "The League Against Cruel Sports" is going to be sacking someone for being vegan? A good portion of the employees will be vegan. It sounds like he's just an insufferable douche who didn't like that he was no longer "special" in an office full of "special" people.
 
I mean what're the chances an organisation called "The League Against Cruel Sports" is going to be sacking someone for being vegan? A good portion of the employees will be vegan. It sounds like he's just an insufferable douche who didn't like that he was no longer "special" in an office full of "special" people.

He apparently revealed that the League had invested their pension fund into firms that do animal testing. So he was fired for that.
 
id do it too, I wouldn't reeee about them firing me over being vegan, but I'd want to know if an organization/company I was supporting was doing something that felt a little against their corporate culture. I reported a business I worked for many years ago for serving rotten food to people. They found out it was me, got fired, didn't care, fuck that place. Wasn't an attack on my person though.

Should have just showed customers pictures instead of trying to do the "right" thing and talk to the Health Dept.
 
Whether he wins or loses I just hope the inner turmoil causes the group to fall apart, they're essentially antifa on a day trip to the countryside total fucking scumbags.
 
id do it too, I wouldn't reeee about them firing me over being vegan, but I'd want to know if an organization/company I was supporting was doing something that felt a little against their corporate culture. I reported a business I worked for many years ago for serving rotten food to people. They found out it was me, got fired, didn't care, fuck that place. Wasn't an attack on my person though.

Should have just showed customers pictures instead of trying to do the "right" thing and talk to the Health Dept.
Animal testing is really important for a lot of things like pharmaceuticals. I don't see it as being hypocritical to be against cock fighting and bull fighting, but ok with lots of forms of animal testing.
 
"Danger for vegetarians. - A diet consisting primarily of rice leads to the use of opium and narcotics, just as a diet consisting primarily of potatoes leads to the use of liquor. But its subtler effects also include ways of thinking and feeling that work narcotically. This harmonizes with the fact that the promoters of narcotic ways of thinking and feeling, like those Indian gurus, praise precisely a diet that is purely vegetarian and would like to make that a law of the masses: thus they want to call forth and increase a need that they are able to satisfy."- Friedrich Nietzsche
 
They definitely still do plenty of tests on rats and mice working their way up through monkeys. Everyone knows it doesn't mirror people exactly, but it does serve as proof of concept in a complete living organism as opposed to just human cell cultures
 
They definitely still do plenty of tests on rats and mice working their way up through monkeys. Everyone knows it doesn't mirror people exactly, but it does serve as proof of concept in a complete living organism as opposed to just human cell cultures

There is potentially more harm being done than good. The study showing different effects across three separate labs doing the same experiment exactly? That doesn't seem a little... Non-scientific? I mean, I like you, but I think I'd trust Cambridge University over you when it came to medical experiment procedure.

Why not test on convicted murderers/rapists/paedos? Then we get good human data, reduce our tax bills, and have a little justice served maybe.
 
I hope they realise that if they force the courts to recognise dietary choices as a "philosophical belief" then normal people will also be protected from your reeing about eating meat.
of course where does it stop?
can we extend this to anything you consume?
put in your body?

can someone sue their doctor for daring to suggest they stop smoking and eating red meat?
can someone sue the cops for arresting them for doing coke?
 
"Danger for vegetarians. - A diet consisting primarily of rice leads to the use of opium and narcotics, just as a diet consisting primarily of potatoes leads to the use of liquor. But its subtler effects also include ways of thinking and feeling that work narcotically. This harmonizes with the fact that the promoters of narcotic ways of thinking and feeling, like those Indian gurus, praise precisely a diet that is purely vegetarian and would like to make that a law of the masses: thus they want to call forth and increase a need that they are able to satisfy."- Friedrich Nietzsche

...well the man couldn't be a deep thinker about everything...
 
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