Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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This is jaw-dropping if true. According to Ukie blogger Legitimny. Ukraine is well on course to have POW camps for deserters and the like from its own side housing half a million people by the end of the year. Not Russians, Ukrainians.
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What's Zelensky's response? "We shall fight them in the headlines."
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But don't worry, he's got NATO behind him. They're a competent bunch, aren't they. That Rutte fellow must be able to do something.
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And it's not as if no-one's telling him what to do. Hookje Erst, put the corner in first, is repeated so many times. Maybe that's what got him the NATO job, an ability to invisibly stick his fingers his ears and hum "laa, laa, I can't hear you."
 
Learn from america-slavniggers,
America got bored with the drawn out wwii bullshit in the pacific
so they started dropping nukes on major metropolitan areas every second day,
Day three the war ended with unconditional surrender.

Nothing creates peace quicker than nukes.
 
Learn from america-slavniggers,
America got bored with the drawn out wwii bullshit in the pacific
so they started dropping nukes on major metropolitan areas every second day,
Day three the war ended with unconditional surrender.

Nothing creates peace quicker than nukes.
Japan didn't surrender because of the nukes.

They already knew the war was lost and the one and only reason they kept on fighting was because they were afraid the Americans would go after the emperor for war crimes and abolish the monarchy and hoped the Soviets would help mediate a negotiated surrender where the survival of the monarchy was guaranteed, but the Americans kept refusing because they wanted unconditional surrender, even if they ended up going with the Japanese request in the end.

Japan's last hope went out the window when the guys they hoped would help mediate a peace deal invaded their unprotected border and collapsed their defences in Sakhalin and Manchuria.
The Japanese realized then that the only 2 choices were to surrender immediately and hope the Americans would let their god emperor live or risk another race to Berlin scenario and possibly have the royal family be captured and killed by the Soviets.

Regardless casually dropping nukes isn't a option that should be considered. America could get away with dropping nukes since nobody else had them. If Russia were to drop nukes now even if nobody responded directly there would be a massive risk Israel/America would retaliate by nuking Iran or another future war would end with nukes being used since somebody else had already broke the taboo and there would be no guarantee that it wouldn't get out of control.
 
Center of Kiev. Banderite 'an hero' is driven around with Blut'n'Boden flags as the 'people's champ' on a loudspeaker curses passerbys out, threatening whoever dares to keep walking and not bend the knee 'to be next'.

Remember, no nazi regime/cannibaloid death cults whatsoever in ukraine. No no no.
 
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Something that might become relevant in the future, Northern Ireland is in the start of a civil war because the people are tired of the government looking the other way when migrants are literally gouging people’s eye out and so far the police has been fecking useless at stopping it. They’re planning to send the army in but the UK army is a paper towel, if things escalate and they need to pull in armies from other countries how long until they have to request Ukraine’s help and how well will that go?

This is the only thread I know of where Nafo cheerleaders won’t drown out an objective discussion

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The event that primed the powderkeg
The event that lit the powderkeg:
The ensuing explosion:
 
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Something that might become relevant in the future, Northern Ireland is in the start of a civil war because the people are tired of the government looking the other way when migrants are literally gouging people’s eye out and so far the police has been fecking useless at stopping it. They’re planning to send the army in but the UK army is a paper towel, if things escalate and they need to pull in armies from other countries how long until they have to request Ukraine’s help and how well will that go?

This is the only thread I know of where Nafo cheerleaders won’t drown out an objective discussion
Why would any foreign army want to get involved in Ireland? This is just kinda what Ireland does.
 
Japan didn't surrender because of the nukes.
Based on the records we have, it is impossible to disentangle the atomic bombs from the other causes. Doing so is an extreme case of historical revisionism by people who have an ideological reason to write America out of the story of WWII.

The TL;DR is that the primary sources show some high-ranking Japanese officials, some had been pushing for surrender for some time, some were primarily concerned about the Soviet invasion, some were primarily terrified of America's new superweapon combined with America's everything-else-weapons, some expressed a measure of resignation at both, and all these combined to drown out those who wished to fight on.

There is simply no basis to claim that the decision to surrender had nothing to do with Hiroshima. You've got to cherry-pick only those officials who were primarily concerned with the Manchuria invasion while simply ignoring everyone else in surrender conversations in those critical hours leading up to the final communication. Or they do a bait and switch, "Japan would have eventually surrendered anyway," when of course the important question is why Japan unconditionally surrendered precisely when they did, not weeks or months later.
 
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Based on the records we have, it is impossible to disentangle the atomic bombs from the other causes. Doing so is an extreme case of historical revisionism by people who have an ideological reason to write America out of the story of WWII.

The TL;DR is that the primary sources show some high-ranking Japanese officials, some had been pushing for surrender for some time, some were primarily concerned about the Soviet invasion, some were primarily terrified of America's new superweapon combined with America's everything-else-weapons, some expressed a measure of resignation at both, and all these combined to drown out those who wished to fight on.

There is simply no basis to claim that the decision to surrender had nothing to do with Hiroshima. You've got to cherry-pick only those officials who were primarily concerned with the Manchuria invasion while simply ignoring everyone else in surrender conversations in those critical hours leading up to the final communication. Or they do a bait and switch, "Japan would have eventually surrendered anyway," when of course the important question is why Japan unconditionally surrendered precisely when they did, not weeks or months later.
vast majority of american ww2 brass disagrees with you, watch the gdf video above, its all primary sourced
 
Go back to reddit with this revisionist bullshit.
Who and what are you talking to, you retarded illiterate shitnigger? You fucking hole, are you incapable of listening to a statement of someone who isnt in your consensus group? its literally quotes from the top generals i dont give a fuck about whoever this fucker is and if he is in your gay club that does not exist. argue factually or shut the fuck up and suck dick
 

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They’re planning to send the army in but the UK army is a paper towel, if things escalate and they need to pull in armies from other countries how long until they have to request Ukraine’s help and how well will that go?
So they can finish their larp by acting as hipo for the new globohomo reich?
"You are sheltering enemies of the state, are you not?"
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P.S. The US nuking was so influential that not only did the Japanese make a symbol out of Americans nuking them, but years later, Hollywood Jews made a number of films about the symbol of Americans nuking Japs bum fighting with the symbol of American 13%.
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vast majority of american ww2 brass disagrees with you,
No they don't. Not a single source quoted claims the bomb was not a factor in Japanese thinking in the cabinet meetings that happened in mid-August between the Nagasaki bombing and the decision to surrender unconditionally on Aug 15 rather than hold out for a negotiated peace.

Nimitz and MacArthur both argued Truman should have accepted a negotiated peace rather than go all-in on unconditional surrender. They did not claim the bomb was unnecessary to achieve Truman's goal. They claimed Truman's goal was unnecessary.

King argued a long siege would have achieved total capitulation, and that this would have been preferable to the A-bomb. He did not claim that the A-bomb was not a factor in accelerating the capitulation or Japanese decision-making. Again, he disagreed with Truman's goal, not that Truman's decision resulted in Truman reaching his goal.

watch the gdf video above, its all primary sourced
No it's not. American generals aren't primary sources for Japanese decision-makers. The main primary source we have on Japanese thinking are the diaries of Marquis Koichi Kido, Hirohtio's diaries and statements, MAGIC intercepts, and some minutes/notes on the Japanese meetings.

There's a reason the video cited absolutely no Japanese sources at all. They just blow up his case and leave it an irradiated wasteland.
 
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Ukraine is well on course to have POW camps for deserters and the like from its own side housing half a million people by the end of the year.
This would be a very 'ambitious' endeavor, if true. The Ukraine's population is around 20 million now. Half a million people over the next six months means moving 2.5 percent of their population. That becomes 5 percent of men if you assume a 50/50 sex ratio, and an even larger share of fighting-aged males once you account for men leaving the country to avoid press-ganging. The age dependency ratio, per worldbank.com, is about 50 percent, but I'd expect something worse given that there was no stated increase in rate once the war kicked off. It just does not seem plausible to me; the logistics of people alone is too much.

Consider, further, the difficulty of building a camp for one in ten fighting-aged males while Russia is lobbing missiles at any sufficiently-dense cluster of equipment within your borders.


Why would any foreign army want to get involved in Ireland? This is just kinda what Ireland does.
For the same reason that the EU goes after American populists/nationalists. ZOG is not a localized, organic phenomenon that just so happens to appear in every Western country. If one country breaks free, that means fewer tax dollars for their NGOs, less control for their banks, one less army that can be sent off to fight on Israel's behalf, and, most importantly, it means that everyone on Earth gets to see what an alternative to ZOG looks like - a place where people can live unburdened by the third world hordes.

Don't kid yourself, there will be 'international peacekeepers' on the ground when resistance hits a certain point. ZOG cannot afford to compete with a healthy nation.



I swear, I've seen this exact phenotype a thousand times. Every single young neocon I've seen, everyone under 40 who shills for Israel and the Ukraine, looks exactly like this. The same pudgy, neotenous face. The same haircut that was never in style but is still 40 years out of date.

There's some wealthy old AIPAC donor whose taste in boys is now public knowledge.
 
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They’re planning to send the army in but the UK army is a paper towel, if things escalate and they need to pull in armies from other countries how long until they have to request Ukraine’s help and how well will that go?
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Sky News, BBC and Pro-EU news media are all pushing the same revisionism that the IRA is a rightwing organization. EU propaganda YouTube channels are now blaming the Euro zone troubles on Ireland.
 
Sky News, BBC and Pro-EU news media are all pushing the same revisionism that the IRA is a rightwing organization.
Didn't the political branch of the IRA, Sinn Féin, become heavily influenced by socialists in the 60's around the time when the Troubles began and has been left wing ever since?

They really are going all in on the "everyone who is not 100% with the EU is a far right nazi and all far right nazis are funded by Putler since no other group could ever have any reason to oppose us" shtick.
 
I swear, I've seen this exact phenotype a thousand times. Every single young neocon I've seen, everyone under 40 who shills for Israel and the Ukraine, looks exactly like this. The same pudgy, neotenous face. The same haircut that was never in style but is still 40 years out of date.
This is the only clone template {{they}} left with. I bet they have a serial number hidden behind their ear or on their dick or something too.

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=_xKrFuWUTcUhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=i1fbf8IBlmshttps://youtube.com/watch?v=vRXjJnP0FEsSky News, BBC and Pro-EU news media are all pushing the same revisionism that the IRA is a rightwing organization. EU propaganda YouTube channels are now blaming the Euro zone troubles on Ireland.
Didn't the political branch of the IRA, Sinn Féin, become heavily influenced by socialists in the 60's around the time when the Troubles began and has been left wing ever since?

They really are going all in on the "everyone who is not 100% with the EU is a far right nazi and all far right nazis are funded by Putler since no other group could ever have any reason to oppose us" shtick.
This is how variables work in programming: you use the label, but you can put whatever you wish in it.
Today we have "far right", "rooosya", "chyna" and "antisemitic", stuff everyone you don't like in one of the variables.
 
Nimitz and MacArthur both argued Truman should have accepted a negotiated peace rather than go all-in on unconditional surrender. They did not claim the bomb was unnecessary to achieve Truman's goal. They claimed Truman's goal was unnecessary.

King argued a long siege would have achieved total capitulation, and that this would have been preferable to the A-bomb. He did not claim that the A-bomb was not a factor in accelerating the capitulation or Japanese decision-making. Again, he disagreed with Truman's goal, not that Truman's decision resulted in Truman reaching his goal.
Standard amerimutt mental gymnastics and otherwise strawmanerific 'uHhh but akshUllY' 'semantic wank. Your entire mutt argument can be boiled down to 'no no no see the Japs were actually 100% really impressed by our mighty bomb so therefore totally necessary, and anything suggesting otherwise is just speculation so nobody can actually tell 100% nananana'. Right okay nigger.

Here's the thing, amerimutt niggers - nobody here really gives a fuck about your mutt opinion/retarded pretense at 'nUaNcE', nor has any time for your shit kin coming here swinging their dick around about 'hUrR dUrR Russia lEaRn fRom thEe gReat yaNk mUriCa bALd eAgle scREeEe', then getting all upitty when you get called out on your bullshit. Shut your actual bitch ass up. Better focus on your current slide into (hopefully eternal) irrelevance.
 
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