War Rough polling stretch has GOP operatives asking: Could Trump drop out? - Fox News is now against Trump officially, looks like Trump is truly a force for change



A stretch of lackluster polling for President Trump has some Republican operatives nervous about the president’s reelection prospects in November – with some even floating the possibility for the first time that Trump could drop out if his poll numbers don’t rebound.

“It’s too early, but if the polls continue to worsen, you can see a scenario where he drops out,” one GOP operative who asked to remain anonymous told Fox News.

“I’ve heard the talk but I doubt it’s true,” another said. “My bet is, he drops if he believes there’s no way to win.”

Trump’s poll numbers in recent weeks have trended downward amid criticism over his administration’s handling of the coronavirus epidemic and the White House response to the protests and riots following the death of George Floyd in late May while in Minneapolis police custody.

A recent Fox News poll had the president trailing Democrat Joe Biden by 12 points, while a RealClearPolitics average of polls had Trump down almost 10 points to the former vice president. Biden also was leading Trump in many key battleground states, and polls from Republican strongholds such as Texas had Trump and Biden neck-and-neck.

Polls in the past, however, have been way off the mark, as the president well knows.

In 2016, Trump trailed Hillary Clinton in almost all the polls leading up to the general election before pulling off his surprise win. The president also already has weathered numerous controversies during his term in office and came away largely unscathed, at least among his base of supporters, according to analysts.

The Trump campaign adamantly denied that the president would drop out of the race and criticized polling for allegedly under-sampling Republican voters.

“This is the granddaddy of fake news,” Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh told Fox News. “Everyone knows that media polling has always been wrong about President Trump - they undersample Republicans and don’t screen for likely voters - in order to set false narratives. It won’t work. There was similar fretting in 2016 and if it had been accurate, Hillary Clinton would be in the White House right now.”

After the latest spate of polls, his campaign released a memo on Sunday essentially refuting the claims that the president’s reelection chances were in trouble. The campaign cited polling that showed a lack of enthusiasm for Biden, especially in key battleground states, and called into question the methodology used in major polls.

“As was the case in 2016, the mainstream news media is relying on polling financed by their own operations and others, released publicly in order to set a narrative that conforms with their own worldviews,” the campaign stated. “The president’s campaign has repeatedly called into question the validity of such polling, based on methodology, party representation in the sample, wording of questions, and other factors.”

It continued: “These are legitimate criticisms, as there are real differences between public polling and proprietary internal polling such as the campaign conducts for itself.”

With the 2020 general election still more than four months away, GOP insiders and Trump campaign staff have been aiming to turn the streak of bad polling around by directing their aim at what they saw as Biden’s main weaknesses.

The Trump campaign recently has tried to lure Biden back on the campaign trail in the hopes that he will make gaffes on the stump. They also were slamming Biden as “soft” on China, questioning his mental acuity and saying he’d be beholden to the left of his party if he were to win the White House.

“Joe Biden is the weakest Democrat candidate in a generation and we are defining him that way,” Murtaugh said. “By contrast, President Trump built the best economy in the world before the global pandemic interrupted it and he’s doing it a second time. Joe Biden would be a disaster economically and would raise taxes and impose crushing Green New Deal regulations on job creators.”

He added: “We are four months from Election Day, and in the end, it will be a clear choice between President Trump’s incredible record of achievement and Joe Biden’s half-century of failure in Washington, D.C.”

The string of polls came on the heels of Trump’s rally last weekend in Tulsa, Okla. – the president’s first rally since the coronavirus shut down much of the country three months ago.

The Trump campaign had touted that 1 million people had requested tickets – and was predicting a sold-out arena with an additional 40,000 supporters in a makeshift overflow site outside the venue. But, the crowds failed to materialize, the outdoor stage was dismantled and cameras showed large portions of the arena’s upper deck were empty.

The developments had some of the president’s top supporters ringing alarm bells.

“President Trump may lose this election,” Fox News host Tucker Carlson tweeted, hours after the release of his network's polls.

Carlson’s tweet linked to a video from his Thursday night primetime program, as he kicked off his show warning that “not many people are saying it out loud on the right, but the fact is that President Trump could well lose this election. In fact, unless fundamental facts change soon, it could be tough for him to be re-elected.”

Longtime Republican strategist Colin Reed told Fox News, “You can dismiss one poll, but this is pretty consistent across the board.”

He also noted, “One of Donald Trump’s biggest political liabilities right now used to be one of his greatest strengths – his ability to dominate news cycles and headlines.”

Reed noted that “for Trump to turn this around, he just needs to successfully prosecute Joe Biden’s four-and-a-half decades in elected office. If this election’s a choice between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, there’s a long way to go until November. If it’s a referendum on Donald Trump, Joe Biden’s looking like he’s in a pretty good spot.”

David Tamasi, an influential D.C.-based lobbyist and GOP donor who’s raised money for the president, told Fox News, however, that a lot could change between now and Elections Day. “On the money side, I haven’t seen any dropoff. If the election were held today, I think it would certainly be a lot closer than what the public polls say right now,” he said.

And, pointing to the calendar, he emphasized, “We have a long way to go. I’m not overly concerned at this point where things are.”
 
You lived through a lot of presidents since Eisenhower I guess. You think he has the potential to overshadow at least FDR to become the best this country has had since Lincoln?
Look, friend, I have some bad news about FDR.

He's the reason the Fed's have been able to overreach as far as they have. Whether it was his "new deal" bullshit, his threats to pack the courts if they don't allow his unconstitutional bullshit, internment camps, appeasement of the Soviets, agriculture price control by way of destruction and culling, or most of all Wickard vs. Filburn which massively expanded the Commerce Clause to be where it is today. i.e. It is Interstate commerce regardless of whether is actually is or not.

(also the NFA and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller, but I digress.)
 
Didn't the Project Veritas investigation basically lay all of this out? The idea was to create the media sentiment that Trump was unfit for office and would have to step down, through paid protestors, media astroturfing and corporate shilling?
 
Didn't the Project Veritas investigation basically lay all of this out? The idea was to create the media sentiment that Trump was unfit for office and would have to step down, through paid protestors, media astroturfing and corporate shilling?

Even if they hadn't/didn't, it's crystal clear that's what they were planning if you've been playing attention.
 
Look, friend, I have some bad news about FDR.

He's the reason the Fed's have been able to overreach as far as they have. Whether it was his "new deal" bullshit, his threats to pack the courts if they don't allow his unconstitutional bullshit, internment camps, appeasement of the Soviets, agriculture price control by way of destruction and culling, or most of all Wickard vs. Filburn which massively expanded the Commerce Clause to be where it is today. i.e. It is Interstate commerce regardless of whether is actually is or not.

(also the NFA and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller, but I digress.)
I remember when I was a kid and was totally into the "FDR was one of our greatest!" bandwagon. Then you grow up, look back and realize "I was a fucking moron".
 
Look, friend, I have some bad news about FDR.

He's the reason the Fed's have been able to overreach as far as they have. Whether it was his "new deal" bullshit, his threats to pack the courts if they don't allow his unconstitutional bullshit, internment camps, appeasement of the Soviets, agriculture price control by way of destruction and culling, or most of all Wickard vs. Filburn which massively expanded the Commerce Clause to be where it is today. i.e. It is Interstate commerce regardless of whether is actually is or not.

(also the NFA and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller, but I digress.)
I see it inevitable. Glowfags want the fed overreach. The Fed Bank in New York has Blackrock as its fiduciary and there was a reason that specific branch handled the Trump bux. China buys Blackrock stock, so if the fed can finance anything by calling the investments ETFs without the Dodd-Frank scrutiny. I don't know whose jewing who.
 


Donald Trump may drop out of the 2020 presidential race if he believes he has no chance of winning, a Republican Party operative reportedly told Fox News.

The claim comes in a report in the president’s favourite news outlet that cites a number of GOP insiders who are concerned about Mr Trump’s re-election prospects amid abysmal polling numbers.


Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee, currently holds an average lead of nine points over the incumbent, according to a tracker of 2020 polls by RealClearPolitics.

Crucially, Mr Trump has lost support from older white voters — typically a bedrock of support for the Republican Party and a group that was crucial to his narrow 2016 victory. Mr Trump is also trailing the former vice president in almost all the swing states.

“It’s too early, but if the polls continue to worsen, you can see a scenario where he drops out,” one anonymous GOP operative told Fox News.

Charles Gasparino, the author of the Fox News report, said in a series of tweets that he had spoken to “major players” in the Republican party for the story. One of them described Mr Trump’s mood as “fragile” as his chances of a second-term looked increasingly dim.

Another of the GOP sources cited in the report said of the likelihood that Mr Trump will drop out: “I’ve heard the talk but I doubt it’s true. My bet is, he drops if he believes there’s no way to win.”

Mr Trump has repeatedly hit out at polling that shows him far behind Mr Biden. Last month, he tweeted that Fox News “should fire their Fake Pollster. Never had a good Fox Poll!”

On Monday, he tweeted: "Sorry to inform the Do Nothing Democrats, but I am getting VERY GOOD internal Polling Numbers. Just like 2016, the @nytimes Polls are Fake! The @FoxNews Polls are a JOKE! Do you think they will apologize to me & their subscribers AGAIN when I WIN? People want LAW, ORDER & SAFETY!"

But polls from all polling organisations show Mr Trump consistently behind by similar margins. In particular, they have shown high levels of disapproval over the president’s handling of the coronavirus and mass protests calling for racial justice after the police killing of George Floyd.

A recent Washington Post-Ipsos poll found that 36 per cent of American adults approve of Trump’s handling of the protests, while 62 percent disapprove. A New York Times pollreturned similar numbers.

The same New York Times-Siena College poll found 58 per cent of Americans disapprove of his handling of the coronavirus outbreak, while only 38 percent approve — the worst ratings since the crisis began.


Sorry to inform the Do Nothing Democrats, but I am getting VERY GOOD internal Polling Numbers. Just like 2016, the @nytimes Polls are Fake! The @FoxNews Polls are a JOKE! Do you think they will apologize to me & their subscribers AGAIN when I WIN? People want LAW, ORDER & SAFETY!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)
June 29, 2020
The Trump campaign called reports that the president would consider dropping out “the granddaddy of fake news”.

“Everyone knows that media polling has always been wrong about President Trump – they undersample Republicans and don’t screen for likely voters – in order to set false narratives,” Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh told Fox News.

“It won’t work. There was similar fretting in 2016 and if it had been accurate, Hillary Clinton would be in the White House right now.”
 
Couldn't a drop in polls be at least partially attributed to people saying they'd vote Democrat even though they were Trump supporters, like in 2016?
Polls can change at the drop of a hat, and there's still a lot that can (or will) happen between now and November.

As for Dems, media, and those publishing polls, watch what they do, not what they say.
 
Why do I get the feeling that this is the left-wing version of QAnon "Trust in the Plan" sperging?

At best, I think Trump might've said something out of frustration and some asshole in the White House or GOP staff decided to spin some clickbait for a bit of extra money.

This being Clown World, I would not rule out the possibility that he's trying to use media polling tactics against the DNC by feeding them false info so they get overconfident like they did in 2016 but that's highly unlikely.

Still, it's probably just wishful thinking on the MSM's part or Trump said something in frustration or anger and it got taken out of context.
 
These stories are making less and less sense.

If you're the President of the United States you are going to at least try to stay in the job. There's nowhere else to go but down from there. Logic has left the building.
 
These stories are making less and less sense.

If you're the President of the United States you are going to at least try to stay in the job. There's nowhere else to go but down from there. Logic has left the building.
They're trying to demoralize Trump voters into submission. It's a psyop.

:optimistic:
The article. Even if Trump thought he was sure to lose, he’s a narcissist, he’d just stay in and say it was rigged to give himself an excuse.
Precisely.
 
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