"RepresentUS" & the American Anti-Corruption Act

[The Lawgiver]

These ads got that soulless corpo-blob artstyle that makes my ass clench with distainful pain. That combined with the "quirky" pitches and the shit about white supremacists and the capitol or whatever the fuck got me extremely fucking skeevy of this. This shits got that vibe of something that's 100% less of an anti-corruption thing and more one of those "save the world!" scams set up to fuck people over more somehow in the long run.

 

[Blamo]

First of all, anti corruption is perhaps the oldest power grab excuse in the world.

Just look at the About Us page, especially the advisors it is full of NGOs and other system people.
It is extremely rich to complain about corruption when you are being aided by NGOs what are basically tax free golems of the rich.

So basically old political players, (Seriously they have a Kennedy and a Roosevelt.) green nonsense and investment banks. I am sure those really want to create an even playing field.

Spoiler: About us page from now and from the past.

Old guys:

Represent.Us: The Campaign to pass the American Anti-Corruption Act

Get money out of politics at Represent.Us, the campaign to pass the American Anti-Corruption Act - a bold new law that puts an end to business as usual in Washington.

web.archive.org

New guys:

Sorry for my autism, but after following happenings at any level, you will start to read into who the NGO is instead of how Democratically democratic they are.

Edit: Strange how something from 2012-ish got resurrected now.

 

[WolfeTone]

No seriously What the fuck is 'Diversity is Our Strength' supposed to mean?

It's the principal that 2 heads are better than one, in the case of cultural influence.

I'm SHOCKED to find out that South Dakota is politically corrupt SHOCKED.

But, in all seriousness, there is no freedom in a market that's 95% controlled by 6 parent companies, they all coordinate with eachother to keep the barrier to entry high enough that they can reward people who use the stock market, and other means to further inflate the market, with a generalissimo position. The bottom line for any freedom, and it's afforded through cruelty. Historically, the only way we've ever beaten that back is through sheer force of will, by collectivizing and putting our feet down in unison. Too bad people organically fight against that, for free, because their billion-dollar media talking head tells them to, or their parent beat it into them.

 

[Blamo]

No seriously What the fuck is 'Diversity is Our Strength' supposed to mean?

It is a slogan. You can interpret it two ways:
1) It is just a slogan, it doesn't supposed to mean anything beside parroting it affirms your position in support of the powers that be.
(ie. Black Lives Matter! What does it actually mean? Dunno.)
2) The bad guys means diversity is good for them, because it divides the peasants.
(That's more of a skitzo thinking, if you believe in the occult etc.)

 

[GHTD]

First of all, anti corruption is perhaps the oldest power grab excuse in the world.

Just look at the About Us page, especially the advisors it is full of NGOs and other system people.
It is extremely rich to complain about corruption when you are being aided by NGOs what are basically tax free golems of the rich.

So basically old political players, (Seriously they have a Kennedy and a Roosevelt.) green nonsense and investment banks. I am sure those really want to create an even playing field.

Spoiler: About us page from now and from the past.

Old guys:

Represent.Us: The Campaign to pass the American Anti-Corruption Act

Get money out of politics at Represent.Us, the campaign to pass the American Anti-Corruption Act - a bold new law that puts an end to business as usual in Washington.

web.archive.org

New guys:
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Sorry for my autism, but after following happenings at any level, you will start to read into who the NGO is instead of how Democratically democratic they are.

Edit: Strange how something from 2012-ish got resurrected now.

What I'm surprised about is that people that happenings kinds would hate like Sarah Silverman support this bill, which I honestly expected this bill would be hated by this part of KF since "TDS types" like the bill.

It doesn't seem so bipartisan, the support of this bill, as it does each side supporting it for other reasons. The right for the "Trump is the real winner of 2020" theory and the left for the "we can't let millionaires and billionaires buy our elections" stuff.

 

[Cabelaz]

No seriously What the fuck is 'Diversity is Our Strength' supposed to mean?

The fundamental idea was to create groups of power or influence filled with people from various backgrounds and ethnicities. What the powers that be failed to realize is that things were already incredibly diverse even before all this autism started.

 

[Bland Crumbs]

The videos are kind of painful so I decided to dig through their funding since ya know they are so big on transparency:

I have contacted them requesting their 2019 and 2020 donor list which I am sure they will provide but in the meantime I dug through their filings up to 2018. I have to say they are a little more honest than others in their trade.

I saw some familiar faces:

Park Foundation
The Foundation is dedicated to the aid and support of education, public broadcasting, environment, and other selected areas of interest to the Park family. Scholarship programs have been established in Mr. Park’s name at the two institutions with which he was so close — Ithaca College and North Carolina State University. The two scholarship programs emphasize academic excellence, leadership, and community service — in keeping with Mr. Park’s values. Public broadcasting is a particularly meaningful recipient of funding because the Foundation had its origin in the world of communications. More recently, the Foundation’s interest in environmental causes has been refined to focus on issues of freshwater and energy.

Overbrook Foundation
The Overbrook Foundation is a progressive family foundation that supports organizations advancing human rights and conserving the natural environment.

Tides Foundation
Defend the voting rights and close the voter turnout gap for communities of color, young voters, and the economically disadvantaged.

Rockefeller Brothers Foundation

ACTION NOW INITIATIVE (ANI)
is a nonpartisan organization that supports the mission of Arnold Ventures to maximize opportunity and minimize injustice through social welfare, public service, political advocacy, and social impact activities.

They seem so truly altruistic and if you just look at them once you might fall for it. However if you are sped like me who has never seen a 501c you did not want to independently audit you start to see some names appearing in the rolls of a certain flavor of organization.

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We bring conservatives and progressives together to pass anti-corruption laws across America. Join us.

Ah yes, Martin Sheen and Sarah Silverman(clink clink)...conservatives to the core. I am not quite autistic enough to go through the individuals in the donation list and try to find where they land on the political spectrum but I know where their big money lands and it is not bipartisan. The groups listed above are rabidly left.

I am not a fan of ranked choice due to the outcome of some elections being fucky when it was used. See Australia 2010, Maine 2018, and Oakland 2010. Also because problem is not the voting method(not to be confused with the system which is a hot mess) it is the voters. We have an electorate who skims headlines and greedily gulps horseshit from the MSM and believes themselves informed. The only thing you can do to fix that is restrict voting to people who can demonstrate some base level of knowledge and uh...that is problematic for a number of reasons, bigot.

Mail-In voting is a bad idea. Early voting is...not fantastic either but at least you have to have a person show up. Anyone pushing for mail-in voting is pushing for a system that is an easy target. They may be pushing for it with motivations that are pure but the road to hell...

Gerrymandering happens and both sides play the game. A solid alternative would be to lock districts and enact state level electoral colleges but that will never happen so...whatever guess we will just do what benefits us today and bitch when it does not.

I'm not sure how much the government can be trusted to regulate itself or otherwise how this is supposed to be effective in general.

It cannot be trusted and the only thing commissions like this would be used for would be show trials of a fashion the results of which are then used as the basis for ramming home the changes whoever is holding the reigns at the moment wants and blocking those they do not want.

I am far more interested in this from their mission statement:

Equity means focusing on need in order to provide the most equal possible outcomes for every individual. (Equity should not be confused with equality, which provides the same resources/opportunities to all regardless of need.)

Well at least they are honest. Equity should not be confused with equality. The latter benefits mankind while the former hobbles some with the goal of benefiting others but only serves to harm everyone.

I did enjoy their video where the good guys are formless-expressionless-blank-eyed superheroes. That might have been a little unintentional honesty in what groups like this actually want. They do not want effective statesxirs they want morons that run their mouth and do nothing while the remnants of the old guard rob the place. See: The Squad some of the least accomplished members of our government who are the constant focus of media on both sides.

Okay that is enough spergery on this from me. Represent.us are Marxists and want you in the wage cage eating bugs for totes sure.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Going through the website:

Let voters rank their top candidates​

Under the Act, voters can rank their top candidates, allowing them to support their top choice without fear of inadvertently helping elect the other party’s candidate. This makes it easier to elect independent-minded candidates who aren’t beholden to establishment special interests.

In case of the elections themselves then it doesn't chage anything since there are still only two viable parties. On the case of primaries it will favour the centrist guys who'll be the next pick after some fringe. The big problem here is that how the list will work is not specified.

End gerrymandering​

The Anti-Corruption Act ends gerrymandering by creating independent, fully transparent redistricting commissions that follow strict guidelines to ensure accurate representation for all voters, regardless of political party.

The favourite leftist talking point. The end goal is making entire states dependent on their big cities rather than representing people that aren't wretched urbanites.

Let all voters participate in open primaries​

By controlling the primaries, the political establishment controls which candidates we can vote on.
The Act requires all candidates for the same office compete in a single, open primary controlled by voters, not the political establishment. This gives voters more control over our elections and more choices at the ballot.

Make sure that no Trump ever happens again. But further than that, it's an easy way to allow massive organized voting by democrats/republicans to kill the career of opponents who are too popular (regardless of their opinion).

Allow all Americans to Vote Absentee​

Absentee voting, also known as vote by mail, gives every American the choice to securely vote from the comfort and safety of their home.

Why? Corona has passed, and if you allow the risk of a disease with <1% mortality be more important than the government then you don't deserve to vote.

Change how elections are funded​

Running a political campaign is expensive, but few Americans can afford to donate to political campaigns. That makes politicians dependent upon – and therefore responsive to – a tiny fraction of special-interest donors.
The Act offers every voter a small credit they can use to make a political donation with no out-of-pocket expense. Candidates and political groups are only eligible to receive these credits if they agree to fundraise solely from small donors. The Act also empowers political action committees that only take donations from small donors, giving everyday people a stronger voice in our elections.

It doesn't fix the problem of virtually every media sucking the cock of democratic nominees. And it will still favour the establishment since you'll need to become popular first to have funding by voters (at best you'll need to have one election cycle to have a base so you'll have funding for the next one). And you can bet the credit will default to the establishment in case it won't be used (which is 99% of the time).

Enact reasonable term limits​

When elected officials are allowed to become career politicians, our elections become uncompetitive and new ideas have a harder time being heard.
The Act sets reasonable term limits of 18 years total at each level of government, so that candidates focus on public service instead of staying in office.

The only reasonable idea, but even then it won't fix any of the problems and will probably make the government even more of a dynasty shit when you vote a guy and 20 years later vote his gay trans son because you recognize the family name.

Enact Automatic Voter Registration​

The Act automatically registers all interested eligible voters when they interact with government agencies – whether it’s when they go to the DMV, get a hunting license, apply for food assistance, or sign up for the national guard. Voters can always opt-out from being registered. Information is transmitted electronically and securely to a central source maintained by the state.

Why not just give photo id while you're at it? And lol at the bolded part.

Lobbyist shit

I'm not going to even regard this part since it's completely impossible to track and you can be sure will be used by only a single party (hint, the one that had the courts not investigate the recent elections).

END SECRET MONEY​

ie, MAH RUSSIA! The same as Lobbyist shit and funding. You don't fix anything and you'll just use it to stop non-establishment nominees.

 

[KingCoelacanth]

"America is corrupt to the core in every single way except for vote counting"

Reading other people's opinions, this seems more like a typical trick of the left. Create a group with left money, left voices, left groups, etc. Then say your group is bipartisan, represents everyone's interests, etc. That way people if people on the right are skeptical of your group and don't want to join, the group can claim that the right simply doesn't want compromise or to work together, thus the right can be ignored.
When it comes down to actually doing stuff, the group will focus on issues that support the left and it will effectively be a left-wing group despite its claims.

 

[Ita Mori]

Change how elections are funded​

Running a political campaign is expensive, but few Americans can afford to donate to political campaigns. That makes politicians dependent upon – and therefore responsive to – a tiny fraction of special-interest donors.
The Act offers every voter a small credit they can use to make a political donation with no out-of-pocket expense. Candidates and political groups are only eligible to receive these credits if they agree to fundraise solely from small donors. The Act also empowers political action committees that only take donations from small donors, giving everyday people a stronger voice in our elections.

Lol, because that works so well for countries that employ federal credit to political parties. Totally not a way to steal even more tax dollars.

 

[RadicalCentrist]

The countries with the most thorough anti-corruption legislation also tend to be the most corrupt. Consider this: if a democratic political system is slightly corrupt (corruption meaning more finances,) and if the candidate with more campaign money wins even 91% of the time, then the system is totally corrupt because the most corrupt candidate will win nearly every single time. And if a system is totally corrupt, then "anti corruption" legislation only provides a "legitimate" reason to imprison/disenfranchise political opponents. Consider how wealthy opponents of the Chinese/Russian political regimes tend to end in jail by virtue of "corruption," are they truly the only corrupt ones, or are they the ones that need to be punished?

Referring back to the OP, this "independent" ethics commission will be neither independent nor based on ethics. Why would a corrupt system allow an independent commission to exist? Neither would ethics be the basis of its actions, instead it will provide the state with the option of impeaching troublesome politicians, such as populists (Or any other boogeyman you can name.) As for our dear leaders belief that megacorps provide freedom on the basis of a weak federal government, I reply that our federal government is powerful enough to bail out said megacorps and legislate their competitors out of existence.

I am badly parroting selectorate theory for the curious.

 

[DeadFish]

Those two videos are racist and sexist.

Vote for me.

The point Im making here is whatever good you try to push in america is goong get smeared as a bad thing by those in power

Theres also the what I call the memeplex effect. Good luck fighting that shit. If you try to push for anything outside the masses established repertoire of thinking patterns you'll going get a deer in the head light look. Nothing gets done unless this gets fixed.

 

[TFT-A9]

1. Part of their agenda is making voting by mail even easier.
This is very pro-corruption. No other country in the world except the United States has voting without ID. It does not make sense.

Yeah that's strike one for me, voting's already enough of a joke here, this just turns it into something nobody in their right mind would consider legitimate (which might not be the worst thing - destroying the unwarranted faith some people have in the 'democratic process' as it currently exists is something that needs to happen for it to have any hope of improving, but there's no guarantee this would do that so lol fuck that)

2. The independent ethics commission.
In 2018, a public referendum to amend the constitution of South Dakota failed. There was, ironically, heavy pac advertising against it from a coalition of unions. In particular: 'David Owen, president of the South Dakota Chamber of Commerce and Industry, said the ethics commission would have a "scope of power that's kind of unbelievable." Owen said, "We're wandering into territory that's completely unheard of. I think they're going to whoop up a false impression that South Dakota is massively corrupt."'

These commissions are a concern and I think most people would raise an eyebrow to it. They're state appointed to begin with. There's a letter from the National Conference of State Legislatures describing ethics commissions. From the letter, it seems like ethics commissions are already in place in some form in most states and it's an established convention, but I'm not sure how much the government can be trusted to regulate itself or otherwise how this is supposed to be effective in general.

Never trust the government to monitor the government as a general rule, unless you're pressing on cracks between bureaus and existing rivalries between individuals and such they'll circle the wagons against the plebs every time. That said, "independent ethics commission" - oh somebody's bankrolling it, if not now then eventually, and then it's just "ethics their biggest donor finds most agreeable".

3. Corruption might be the only thing keeping the country from being deader and gayer than it already is.
There's a part of me that is genuinely concerned that the only stopgap from keeping the US from being ran by mob rule like a dead, gay European country is big companies. I feel that big evil companies coincidentally, unintentionally create pockets of freedom from the government by constantly advocating for a weak and incompetent federal power. The scariest parts of the government are the ones that don't intersect with interests of multinational corporations and don't receive the same scrutiny.

Ideally neither gets much stronger than the other so they're constantly punching each other in the dick and screwing each other while the plebs reap benefits, but I think there's a great deal more cooperation/collaboration between big companies and big government than you do I guess. As for the government and scrutiny, there needs to be way more vigilance on the citizen side and that needs to stem from people actually knowing why things like the 1A, 2A etc. exist and automatically being highly skeptical of any government official who claims to defend those things. Government has zero vested interest in allowing the concepts encapsulated in the BoR to be entertained in any fashion. BoR isn't a rulebook for the government (at least definitely not now), it's a series of implied threats - "this is what we'll Roblox your fucking asses for fucking with" - and a guide for the general populace to spot when the government's too big for its britches via seeing what the government is trying to fuck with today. (Unfortunately the general populace has failed MISERABLY at either spotting this or doing anything about it.)

4. Diversity statement.
https://act.represent.us/sign/diversity-dei-statement/ “Democracy is the greatest threat to white supremacy.” - Darren Walker, CEO, Ford Foundation

If Democracy is the greatest threat to whitey, then I guess whitey is the greatest threat to Democracy. Why bother supporting this if I'm the bad guy?

And there's the "instantly discarded" moment for me. I don't give a fuck about diversity, I don't give a fuck about the huwite supremacist boogeyman and any organization/whatever that just HAS to mention this at all is already fucked before the gate's even open and the race starts.

 

[Shoggoth]

I could say it was astroturfed as fuck even before reading @Bland Crumbs's excellent rundown.
This is just the Cathedral moving and floating ideas up in the air.
If any of their recommendations or advice are implemented, it will only be in such a way which enhances and entrenches existing corruption or further election "fortification"

 

[ComedyEnjoyer]

I see well-meaning people who recognize the system is flawed and doomed, and correctly identify some of the most obvious core issues with it (gerrymandering, ranked choice, and lobbyist sheckles being the obvious ones) but they're not saying anything that anything anyone who isn't a retarded boomer dosent know already and they're saying it with a huge pozload mixed in.

They're not evil, they're just niggercattle with a couple more neurons than most

 

[No. 7 cat]

Yeah but ranked choice is a good thing. I'm hesitant to say "they got on the news so therefore they are evil" because that's autistic and reductive.

This looks like PR-STV voting which is used in some places in the US and moderately widely in the English speaking world. It can bring about a precisely proportional representation in an assembly, but ultimately works out as more coalitions and committees, the natural territory for the crooked politician. Crooked deals in committees brought about by 'not lobbyists' means back to square one. First past the post voting seems crude, but it can mean a more cleanly differentiated set of political parties. Some allied ideas like state funding of parties can also resolve in a cut-off omni-party political class. Overall, I am really wary of people who decry partisan politics. Mitt Romney style graceful surrender conservative politicians are responsible for a lot of problems nowadays. There are a lot of things that have to be fought.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

Let me be blunt, this isn't going to work. It isn't going to work for the same reason COVID mask-wearing happened. The people aren't for it, the people don't care, the people listen to the experts on the TV.

Don't get me wrong, the journalists will cheer this forward at the start. They're soulless leftists, you could sell them tickets to a death camp if you used the leftist language correctly. They're complete NPCs, and their script files haven't been written yet by their editors or media owners. That will change. A critique of an initiative here, a culling of Right-Wing support (That they don't need!) there. A scandal involving leadership. Two Articles praising the movement, and performing the autopsy on the still living movement. Ouch. Suddenly all these ideals just become funding for the Democratic Party. It happened with Justice Democrats, it happened with just about every Trump email blitz, and it will happen here.

I don't oppose this initiative, I applaud it. However, journalists eventually will turn. The butt-boys of corruption and sleaze, the eternal subverting do-gooders whose internal jealousy and Nietzschean Ressentiment cause them to break down all social movements they see as successful if they are not the center of attention. They will be happy to take the bribe, and smear the cause or far more likely the people behind it. Watch as the Mail-In voting and Diversity Initiatives are completed and the corruption initiatives left to rot. This will be itself subjected to the forces which they claim destroy legislators, yet they have the magic stuff which renders them immune? Please. The innocence of the people involved, their dreary corporate imagery, and their "bipartisan" image lead me to one conclusion.

They're the wrong people to back, not the wrong issue, the wrong people. These are the very groups, like Gamergate or Occupy Wall St, which crack along their partisan lines once the right buzzwords are put to ink and the Right are then told they're not needed anymore. Then the movement falls into narcissism because all morality left with the right. BLM was interesting at least because they wouldn't excude their Black Nationalists because they're not seen as Far Right among those circles even when they're openly antisemitic. However even they were turned on and off by The Powers That Be.

I don't hate reform, but it is far too late for reform. Every single one of these issues today runs afoul of the Left's Russia Russia hysteria. The bad times are the only thing which will sober up the masses. The wise few are governed by reason, but the vast majority will always, always, be governed by their experience alone. This is the albatross of the modern West. If the average man is elevated from harm and suffering too completely, then he gives himself over to decadency and self-harm out of never experiencing a need for the practical necessities of life. The west wears its success over the world about its neck, and is resented for it. Only a return to the hardships will refine the American. Only economic collapse will end the empire. Only serious decline will reverse the globalism of weakening the nation to strengthen the economy. There are no political solutions.

I wish I was wrong.

 

[Cool Dog]

Where's the money for all these well produced videos and graphics coming from? this looks like controlled opposition to me, trying to get all dissidents to fall into a honeypot so they wont join organic movements

No seriously What the fuck is 'Diversity is Our Strength' supposed to mean?

War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, and Ignorance Is Strength​

I'm still exploring their website but its is sending up some red flags. Under some of the political actions they are currently taking is to "condemn the shameful eight."

So the one true rebellion against the establishment in decades and they oppose it

Looking under their volunteer positions is their MemeTeam

Imagine slaving for these faggots when they are paid in the 7 figures but you're doing it FOR FREE

Spoiler: Change how elections are funded

Running a political campaign is expensive, but few Americans can afford to donate to political campaigns. That makes politicians dependent upon – and therefore responsive to – a tiny fraction of special-interest donors.

The Act offers every voter a small credit they can use to make a political donation with no out-of-pocket expense. Candidates and political groups are only eligible to receive these credits if they agree to fundraise solely from small donors. The Act also empowers political action committees that only take donations from small donors, giving everyday people a stronger voice in our elections.

my thoughts: what this means in practice is using the state to transfer public funds straight into the pockets of political parties. absolutely terrible.

This is what happens in my country and the result is that you got a ton of fake parties that take those funds then run the cheapest campaign possible and get like .001% of the votes but dont care since the point was getting the money, they dont care about winning at all

 

[The Cunting Death]

War Is Peace

War is God

 

[Coffee Shits]

Automatic voter registration and vote-by-mail are solely ways to absorb more votes from gullible feel-good policy dipshits. If any one of them cared about good governance they would fill out one form and register, and good thing too, because if you have to rely on local government to do that for you you shouldn't be voting.

"Ending corruption" was the #1 thing spouted at me by Berniebros who were dead convinced that it's possible to separate money from politics, which tells you everything you need to know IMO.