🐱 Rap Song That Advocated Violence Against Police Not Protected by First Amendment

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https://www.theroot.com/rap-song-that-advocated-violence-against-police-not-pro-1828549835

Hip-hop has had a long and fraught history with law enforcement because the communities that spawned the genre have been traumatized and over-policed since we first hit these shores. Consequently, rap lyrics that have spoken to this brutality have been tried in the courts, where words deemed inappropriate are criminalized (some would say weaponized) against the very people who are simply speaking truth to unchecked, savage power.

And so it continues. On Tuesday, Pennsylvania’s highest court ruled that a rap song that identified Pittsburgh police officers by name and threatened them directly is not protected speech, ruling that the song’s lyrics are a “true threat,” which is a category of speech not protected by the First Amendment.


Pennsylvania Chief Justice Thomas Saylor upheld the conviction of Jamal Knox, now 24, who was found guilty of making terroristic threats and witness intimidation for writing and performing a 2012 song titled “F— the Police.”

Knox, who raps under the name Mayhem Mal, and his partner, Rashee Beasley (Soulja Beaz), paid homage to N.W.A’s most popular and controversial song, 1998’s “F— tha Police,” which included lyrics such as “I’m a sniper with a hell of a scope/ Taking out a cop or two, they can’t cope with me.”

NWA was arrested for performing the song in 1989; however, no one was charged. In this case, however, because the “remake” was specific, Knox was jailed, and his lyrics were not protected as free speech.

The Washington Post reports:

According to the opinion, the song named and threatened two officers, Daniel Zeltner and Michael Kosko, and a music video for the song also featured photos of them.

The officers had arrested Knox and Beasley, the other rapper on the track, in 2012 on various drug and weapons charges and were scheduled to testify against them, according to the opinion.

While the charges were pending, the duo wrote and recorded the song, which was then uploaded to YouTube by a third party and shared on a public Facebook page authorities connected to Beasley, the opinion said. The rappers were then charged in connection with the song. Tuesday’s ruling dealt only with Knox’s appeal.


The song is full of graphic language depicting violence toward police, including the lyric “I’ma jam this rusty knife all in his guts and chop his feet.” One line, “Like Poplawski, I’m strapped nasty,” references Richard Poplawski, a man on death row for the 2009 murder of three Pittsburgh police officers.

The song also indicated that the rappers seemed to know when the officer’s shifts ended and where they lived.

Although the lawyer for Knox, Patrick Nightingale, argued that the song was “artistic,” the court didn’t quite buy it. According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, because Knox and Beasley did not post the video themselves, there was no proof that they meant for the officers to hear it, and therefore was not a threat.

Saylor wrote that the lyrics “express hatred toward the Pittsburgh police,” describing them as “both threatening and highly personalized to the victims.”

Erik Nielson, a University of Richmond associate professor who studies rap lyrics and criminal proceedings, told the Post that there have been an increasing number of cases in which “the crime itself is in the lyrics” versus lyrics as evidence that rapper committed a crime.

Nielson says that he’s concerned that the ruling may set a precedent where if other courts were to follow suit, “it would become easier and easier to prosecute rap music as threats.”

The court did recognize that there can be a distinction between rappers and their stage personas but perhaps these lyrics were too specific.

“In many instances, lyrics along such lines cannot reasonably be understood as a sincere expression of the singer’s intent to engage in real-world violence,” Saylor wrote. But the song performed by Knox and Beasley “is of a different nature and quality,” he wrote.
 
Naming federal officers in a song is fucking dumb. I'm all for fighting against police brutality but come on.
 
He should be sued for plagiarizing an existing song name. Since he isn't a major rapper, I suspect he is trying to be an underground rapper.
 
I thought this was an article about Ice-T's classic Cop Killer.
 
It wouldn't be the first time some wannabe rapper faggot got himself convicted because he was stupid enough to name his particular crimes or targets. Now if he didn't name any specific persons, he'd be off the hook more than likely. Not to mention he specified a time and routine as well as a potential target. This whole ordeal just has "fucking stupid" written all over it.

I'm all for the First Amendment, despite progressives' attempts to shut it down due to "hate speech" but this kinda did cross a line. But I wouldn't be surprised if BLM jumped on this issue because black people being held responsible for breaking the law.
 
Well yeah, making specific threats against specific people is generally considered beyond protected speech.

Fun fact, law enforcement sometimes listens to rap songs by suspected gang members to try to gather evidence for certain crimes. They're such braggarts sometimes it's almost too easy. And people sit there and wonder why our prisons are "disproportionate."
 
Threats, slander, and libel were never protected.

I'm sure this want to be B list rapper would also get mad if you claimed he was a homosexual, pedo or well what he is, at best D list rapper who's going to be used as jail house currency. Yet for some reason, he wouldn't want me to use my freedom of speech.

The freedom of speech in the US can make us very embolded in our speech and that's a good thing. Making targeted statements like this are one of the very few ways it steps into criminal.

If anything we should applaud him, blacks found a way to commit a VERY hard to pull off crime, and still did it. It's 100% legal for me to say I hope all cops die, or other very polarizing statements. You can even safely wish death upon people, but when you say you wish to take action it becomes a no no.
 
Threats, slander, and libel were never protected.

I'm sure this want to be B list rapper would also get mad if you claimed he was a homosexual, pedo or well what he is, at best D list rapper who's going to be used as jail house currency. Yet for some reason, he wouldn't want me to use my freedom of speech.

The freedom of speech in the US can make us very embolded in our speech and that's a good thing. Making targeted statements like this are one of the very few ways it steps into criminal.

If anything we should applaud him, blacks found a way to commit a VERY hard to pull off crime, and still did it. It's 100% legal for me to say I hope all cops die, or other very polarizing statements. You can even safely wish death upon people, but when you say you wish to take action it becomes a no no.

So I can write a rap song about going to a high school to commit mass murder, describe it in gory detail, and mention killing the SWAT team that inevitably responds to it, and as long as I don't name any specific persons or institutions, I'll be good to go legally speaking?
 
So I can write a rap song about going to a high school to commit mass murder, describe it in gory detail, and mention killing the SWAT team that inevitably responds to it, and as long as I don't name any specific persons or institutions, I'll be good to go legally speaking?
Legally speaking, yes. I'm sure if you look at some of that horror metal rubbish you can find songs just like that.
Should you do it? I'd contact a lawyer who deals with this stuff.

What's funniest, Nick Cruz the kid who shot up that school in FL, made targeted threats TO THE SCHOOL directly naming a time and date... FBI saw it and ignored it.

Yet this rapper gets hit, if it wasn't just proven the gov is fucking worthless I'd almost side this as a case of something more sinister.
 
Legally speaking, yes. I'm sure if you look at some of that horror metal rubbish you can find songs just like that.
Should you do it? I'd contact a lawyer who deals with this stuff.

What's funniest, Nick Cruz the kid who shot up that school in FL, made targeted threats TO THE SCHOOL directly naming a time and date... FBI saw it and ignored it.

Yet this rapper gets hit, if it wasn't just proven the gov is fucking worthless I'd almost side this as a case of something more sinister.

Obviously naming names and places and times would be out, and yeah death metal seems to get away with some really twisted shit too. So I don't see the problem, but it would be interesting to ask an expert on these matters, especially an attorney that has defended rappers of this sort in court. There's plenty of rap songs about murder and drugs and stuff like that, but no one complains about it much these days.

The FBI really dropped the ball on that one, Nick was kind of a twisted fuck, even if he was bullied as critics of Camera Hogg have pointed out. Was he always that way, or pushed to that point by the cruelty of his peers? I dunno, maybe somewhere in between.

If a bomb threat is made against a school and even if no real explosive device was in the building, don't they punish the perp (if they find him)? Especially with something so direct, really.

Rapper's still a dumbass for not taking these things into account. It's okay to be angry at the police and write music about it, even violent music, but actually naming your intended targets is a bad idea even if it is protected speech.
 
Funnily enough, I also got in trouble back in 1989 for performing Fuck The Police at infant school. Solidarity with my equally sensible bros here
 
The black community is so over-policed. Now here's a story about a couple of black drug dealers who were caught with illegal guns inciting the murder of the police officers who caught them.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but the difference between protected speech and non protected speech is specificity and intent right?

ie

"I hate cops and want to kill them" ~ protected speech
"I hate officer Daniel Johnson who works at x police station and want to kill him" ~ non protected speech
 
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I'm gonna kill a nigga
I don't like that nigga
Ain't nobody like that nigga
Ain't nobody miss that nigga
That nigga deader than Thatcher

threats
I am going to kill Robert. Robert lives at 1022 Jinglebell Aveneue. He works at iHOP. I will murder him in plain daylight with a 9mm Glock pistol. I do not intend to surrender to police. This is not a joke.

learn the difference, it may save your life
 
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learn the difference, it may save your life

Yeah, but you can make a “threat” as a joke like “some of you guys are cool, don’t go to the gas station on 34th tomorrow” or something. I was in school when columbine happened and the running gag was stuff like “if those motherfucking bitches in the cafeteria run out of pizza today, I’m gonna shoot up this school, swear to god” and nobody got arrested.

Try that in current year, the ATF and FBI will break down your door.
 
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learn the difference, it may save your life
Sounds like that Erik guy and his weird meme.
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Another case of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes", some people are getting very creative at the game though
 
The song is full of graphic language depicting violence toward police, including the lyric “I’ma jam this rusty knife all in his guts and chop his feet.” One line, “Like Poplawski, I’m strapped nasty,” references Richard Poplawski, a man on death row for the 2009 murder of three Pittsburgh police officers.

This is totally gay and unrealistic. Why would you use a rusty knife? Also that rhyme sucks.
 
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