💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[and I must scream]

So is modern feminism, so is modern antiracism.

Everything you see in the modern agenda has been indoctrinated by communists since the start of the cold war (or even earlier).

I didn't say they are the only ones that use this framework. I say they are using it to the extreme and use fearmongering and catastrophizing and other means, that makes these people think that right now in real time, they are going through a genocide or on the verge on it. When you are in this mindset you bet you get rather obsessive about that part of identity that you are (in the his case, in your mind only) persecuted for.

But there is another thing that makes this unique imo, and it's the fact that they had not been trans and then suddenly they are. This is different than, for example, being a black person because you have being a black person all your life and you has been getting this idea that you are oppressed gradually throughout life (if that's true or not is a different question). These trans identified people, they were not persecuted and now suddenly when they "discover" they are trans, they are persecuted. I was originally replying to this question:

Back here again, but I have an actual question. What is it about trooning out that rewires someone's ENTIRE PERSONALITY to be more obnoxious and aggressive? And I mean like before they would've never mentioned their identity in conversation but after they have to CONSTANTLY make it apparent that they're trans?

So I was trying to explain what I think are the reasons for this drastic change in the behaviour of these people. They were not persecuted minority, and now this new identity makes them the most persecuted minority ever. So they are obsessive about this identity, they center it and they are very aggressive about it.

There are hermaphrodites: people who have unusual genitalia or/and unusual brain/hormonal patterns. Having actual sexual dysphoria is that, minus the genitals and the chromosomes. I don't understand why people find that impossible.
What you are describing in the post is a phenomenon caused by the popularisation of said condition and the lack of proper medical control. Look at Eastern Europe or Balkans: it's not nearly as "noble" to be trans in these places, but trans people still do exist here. Except in these places it's a 1/1000000 thing, like it's supposed to be.

I understand that the "it's not inborn" comment is what set you off. Let me clarify: I am not talking about this at all. I am not talking about the question of is this a legitimate condition (psychological or physical) or not. I am talking about the current trans movement, which speaks of something called "gender identity", which is basically an individual's internal sense of being male, female, both, neither, or somewhere along the gender spectrum that everyone has, and this internal sense is the only thing that counts in the question of whether you are actually a man, women, neither, both or "somewhere on the spectrum" (so there is a spectrum now). It's not a condition, it's not an illness, everyone has it, it's just that some people happened to be born with a gender identity that doesn't match their sex (which they call "sex assigned at birth"), and that's totally normal.

That they are riding on an already known condition and a very fringe and small minority that already existed for a while, that's another story and it's a big part of how they gained legitimacy and sympathy from such a big part of society in the first place; but this is still a different phenomenon, in my opinion.

They say you (everyone) are born with an internal sense of whether you are a man, woman or something else. The internal sense is what's inborn. An internal sense that isn't dependents on anything. It's not a condition that may be cured one day (how dare you say something like that!). It's not something in your brain. It's not about society sex rules. They voided it of any actual meaning, it's as vague as possible, but at the same time it's of the utmost importance that you figure it out.

They created a whole different monster. They invented all kind of terminology around this too. For example, "gender euphoria". What the hell is that? Who even talks like that? It's extremely weird. They have made it into a value in and of itself, something you should search and strive for. I've seen women who transitioned and they say they didn't transitioned because they hated their female body or hated being women, they just felt their "real self" fits more that of a man, or some other bullshit of this sort. I swear to god I do not make this up. I've seen this with my own eyes. "Gender affirming surgeries" is about "bodily autonomy" which is a human right so everyone should have access to it if they just want it, no psychological or medical evaluation is required. You are encouraged to go on "gender exploration" even if you don't have any particular reason to do so. Not to mention, every discomfort with your sexed body or what you you think is expected of you as a woman or a man is now "gender dysphoria" and a sign that you are trans.

So no, in this context I don't think being trans is "inborn". I don't know exactly what I think about "true gender dysphoria" and if transitioning is really a good treatment for it (by "good treatment" I mean "the positive overcome the negative", because physically it is just not healthy at all, period), I don't think the experts know themselves if I'm being honest. All I can say is that this "gender identity" as it is currently defined is not inborn. It is manufactured.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Soooooo funny to me when transactivists on occasion have said shit like “I’ll just call a terf he/him bwahahaha see how they like it”. Like firstly. Very transphobic of you to purposely “misgender someone” (kidding but also ).

I really don't understand how TRAs think this would offend other people?, specially women (which is what usually terfs are)
I mean is very common for women specially on the internet to be assumed to be men unless they explicitly state they're women, and in most cases women don't care to be called a he.
And if they do this in person, I still don't think anyone cares outside transgenders. I never seen a regular person be offended to be called the wrong pronoun, most people just laugh it off and move on

 

[TruffleSpark]

I really don't understand how TRAs think this would offend other people?, specially women (which is what usually terfs are)
I mean is very common for women specially on the internet to be assumed to be men unless they explicitly state they're women, and in most cases women don't care to be called a he.
And if they do this in person, I still don't think anyone cares outside transgenders. I never seen a regular person be offended to be called the wrong pronoun, most people just laugh it off and move on

They do it quite a lot to detransitioners. There was a prominent TRA on twitter who went by "The Pissed Off Lawyer" who recently detransitioned. All the TRAs are doing the usual "if you detransition it means you were never really trans to begin with" thing to her that makes no sense. But pretty much all of them are they/themming her as well. Which just goes to show they don't even respect their own rules wrt resepcting pronouns. It comes across as silly, but in trans ideology misgendering is basically akin to a murder attempt. So their refusal to used sexed pronouns for detransitioners is a manifestation of how much they hate them.

 

[Soso]

And if they do this in person, I still don't think anyone cares outside transgenders. I never seen a regular person be offended to be called the wrong pronoun, most people just laugh it off and move on

My great uncle's colleagues when he was still a professor did, and the funny thing is they weren't troons. They were trying to sound accepting in some sort of conference or whatever it was. He didn't get the point of them putting their pronouns everywhere and he even mentioned it's quite obvious what gender they were. The walking on eggshells thing became grating for him and part of the reason why he was really happy he retired.

They do it quite a lot to detransitioners

While I always noticed troons get really ugly towards actual women telling them off, I noticed pure vitriol directed towards detransitioners who talk about it not being worth it and some lamenting how their bodies were destroyed. The way they go from "Teehee, we are so accepting" to "You should fucking die" to detransitioners was a fucking whiplash. Always knew the community was nasty, but the way they were going at it was like rabid hornets.

 

[Jacques1194]

They say you (everyone) are born with an internal sense of whether you are a man, woman or something else. The internal sense is what's inborn. An internal sense that isn't dependents on anything. It's not a condition that may be cured one day (how dare you say something like that!). It's not something in your brain. It's not about society sex rules. They voided it of any actual meaning, it's as vague as possible, but at the same time it's of the utmost importance that you figure it out.

They created a whole different monster. They invented all kind of terminology around this too. For example, "gender euphoria". What the hell is that? Who even talks like that? It's extremely weird. They have made it into a value in and of itself, something you should search and strive for. I've seen women who transitioned and they say they didn't transitioned because they hated their female body or hated being women, they just felt their "real self" fits more that of a man, or some other bullshit of this sort. I swear to god I do not make this up. I've seen this with my own eyes. "Gender affirming surgeries" is about "bodily autonomy" which is a human right so everyone should have access to it if they just want it, no psychological or medical evaluation is required. You are encouraged to go on "gender exploration" even if you don't have any particular reason to do so. Not to mention, every discomfort with your sexed body or what you you think is expected of you as a woman or a man is now "gender dysphoria" and a sign that you are trans.

So no, in this context I don't think being trans is "inborn". I don't know exactly what I think about "true gender dysphoria" and if transitioning is really a good treatment for it (by "good treatment" I mean "the positive overcome the negative", because physically it is just not healthy at all, period), I don't think the experts know themselves if I'm being honest. All I can say is that this "gender identity" as it is currently defined is not inborn. It is manufactured.

Honestly, maybe this is just me not being an expert on this subject, but I feel like even the experts can't understand transgenderism. I remember my friend giving me a pro trans article and it gives the typical talking points about how being trans is when your gender identity doesn't match your sex but it never goes into detail into what exactly is this inner sense of what being a man, woman, or other is. This is why when you ask a TRA "What is a woman" you only get circular answers. Likewise, I remember this comments section on Reddit where the OP asked the question "How does a genderfluid brain work" and if you notice, some of the comments are just simply concluding "We don't understand how internal gender works". What gets me are the comments that are admitting that even if hard science can't explain it that they shouldn't depend on it and that what matters more is their right to exist! The problem is that this can't work because if even the experts can't explain what being trans is then how do they expect society to accept this? In fact, lets say in the years to come that scientists admit that there isn't an inherit gender identity in everyone, why should we allow a male that want to be seen as the opposite sex in women's bathrooms, locker rooms, etc all because he wants to be in there?

o no, in this context I don't think being trans is "inborn". I don't know exactly what I think about "true gender dysphoria" and if transitioning is really a good treatment for it (by "good treatment" I mean "the positive overcome the negative", because physically it is just not healthy at all, period), I don't think the experts know themselves if I'm being honest. All I can say is that this "gender identity" as it is currently defined is not inborn. It is manufactured.

I personally think if it wasn't gender dysphoria and was still sex dysphoria that it wouldn't have made things so confusing as to what trans people want. If trans people were people who desired to be the opposite sex then people would have understood it. The problem with gender is that because its so complicated to where it contradicts itself (Wearing dresses are gender affirming for TIMs but wearing dresses doesn't define being a woman) and is based on how the person sees themselves then what is gender then? I don't get how something that's subjective to the person can be something that's inherit. I could literally identify as a woman and according to TRA logic, I can do nothing in terms of transitioning and still be valid.

 

[Mandals]

Ok so if these people have convinced themselves of being the opposite gender. How long till they convince themselves of being a different race.

 

[neu]

It's weird to me how trannies took this weird fixation with minors trooning out and made it one of their main talking points. If trooning was still some niche thing and some teenager somehow happened to be the specific kind of mentally ill that leads them down that path without external influence then whatever, I guess? I mean, I still wouldn't call it a good thing but now we're somehow at the point where there's actually debate surrounding whether or not it's a good thing that adults from sketchy communities are befriending teenagers online and pointing them in that direction. It feels like it's always some hysterical, one dimensional argument about how it's equivalent to genocide for someone to be against it because transgenders kill themselves from not being able to transition earlier. I've never seen a comprehensive argument in favor, just some dumb shit like, "if they troon out earlier they'll more convincingly appear as the opposite sex and then people won't hate trannies and they won't want to kill themselves" which is retarded if you put more than 2 seconds of thought into it. Also if that's really what they want to make it about, then I still don't think age matters as much as they insist it does. Realistically, it's dependent on whether or not someone has feminine / masculine features, and / or how many surgeries they're willing to put themselves through (how many trannies really do "pass", anyways?) but I guess they really just want to push the narrative that if you troon out asap, you'll just blend in with the opposite sex no problem and be happy. The nature of the arguments they make is just really strange to me beyond how out of touch with reality they can be.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Gonna post some random tumblr stuff again

Nice to see more people banging this drum. The cosmetic surgery industry is industrial butchery that causes immense, irreversible harm, by tricking people into believing that everything in their life will get better with this one neat trick. The only place it should be allowed is in repair of the physical damage that results from accidents or disease, not "fixing" things that aren't broken.

 

[UsoppBrain]

I’ve been plagued by one question since I hit peak trans; why exactly do people transition?
Sure, sexual deviancy has some part to play, but I’ve come to believe that’s only a symptom and not a direct diagnosis. What I’ve come to believe is that the urge to “become” the opposite sex is caused by something greater. It’s the urge to experience life in a whole new way. One of the aspects of sexual dimorphism is the fact that men will never understand what it’s like to be women, and likewise. It’s only human to want to understand and relate to each other. for autistic people in particular, it’s already a struggle to understand people of their own sex (I know from experience), so understanding the opposite sex is a whole other hurdle. It doesn’t help that now more than ever men and women are becoming increasingly distant from one another. It’s frightening and sad how we live in this era of alienation of the sexes. Seeing as most people are straight, they instinctively want the attention and approval of the opposite sex, gay men and lesbian women may be exempt however. This all comes back to “if I can’t get the Gf/Bf, I’ll just become them!”.


If this has all been said before, then my bad. I just like writing about the conclusions I’ve drawn on my own.

 

[Paper Machete]

I’ve been plagued by one question since I hit peak trans; why exactly do people transition?
Sure, sexual deviancy has some part to play, but I’ve come to believe that’s only a symptom and not a direct diagnosis. What I’ve come to believe is that the urge to “become” the opposite sex is caused by something greater. It’s the urge to experience life in a whole new way. One of the aspects of sexual dimorphism is the fact that men will never understand what it’s like to be women, and likewise. It’s only human to want to understand and relate to each other. for autistic people in particular, it’s already a struggle to understand people of their own sex (I know from experience), so understanding the opposite sex is a whole other hurdle. It doesn’t help that now more than ever men and women are becoming increasingly distant from one another. It’s frightening and sad how we live in this era of alienation of the sexes. Seeing as most people are straight, they instinctively want the attention and approval of the opposite sex, gay men and lesbian women may be exempt however. This all comes back to “if I can’t get the Gf/Bf, I’ll just become them!”.


If this has all been said before, then my bad. I just like writing about the conclusions I’ve drawn on my own.

I think it's more about wanting to "own" the "other" than about wanting to know what it's like. They try to take on aspects of the opposite sex they like or that they believe the people they wish to attract like about that sex in order to have possession over the object of their desires either in an inverted way (the AGP) or extroverted way (HSTS).

Which, I think is the real difference between AGP and HSTS. AGP take on fetishized aspects of the opposite sex for their own gratification while HSTS take on fetishized aspects of the opposite sex for their sexual partners.

Mere curiosity about others experiences would make you seek out first person accounts from that perspective, to study how they experience different hardships and their general attitudes about life. It's a pretty simple sort of curiosity to sate.

 

[Just A Wagtail]

I’ve been plagued by one question since I hit peak trans; why exactly do people transition?
Sure, sexual deviancy has some part to play, but I’ve come to believe that’s only a symptom and not a direct diagnosis. What I’ve come to believe is that the urge to “become” the opposite sex is caused by something greater. It’s the urge to experience life in a whole new way. One of the aspects of sexual dimorphism is the fact that men will never understand what it’s like to be women, and likewise. It’s only human to want to understand and relate to each other. for autistic people in particular, it’s already a struggle to understand people of their own sex (I know from experience), so understanding the opposite sex is a whole other hurdle. It doesn’t help that now more than ever men and women are becoming increasingly distant from one another. It’s frightening and sad how we live in this era of alienation of the sexes. Seeing as most people are straight, they instinctively want the attention and approval of the opposite sex, gay men and lesbian women may be exempt however. This all comes back to “if I can’t get the Gf/Bf, I’ll just become them!”.


If this has all been said before, then my bad. I just like writing about the conclusions I’ve drawn on my own.

This is what I think, its an escapist fantasy that appeals to people who don't know how to cope with their own emotions they think surround their sex, basically if you know how autistic people behave with emotions that's it 100%.

There's always some lack of deep introspection with them and their own emotions, its like they outsource their own self to other people to figure out for them, then when they dont like how people are judging them they don't know how to reconsile anything. I really think when Ted went off about "oversocialisation" he was talking about this and why transgenderism and autism have a venn diagram of a circle.

If i had to give an analogy its like how when a parent naggs an autistic kid over cleaning their room instead of going "i feel bad about my messy room" they go "i hate it when my parents remind me of my messy room" and their solution ends up being "ill avoid my parents so i dont have to hear it", just replace the messy room with percieved male sexual attention/percieved female sexual rejection/anything that makes you think negatively around your sex, eventually when your living in your own head so much you start to make yourself feel bad when you think about yourself, then the final solution to escape it is to distract yourself.

 

[Not A Bunny]

So no, in this context I don't think being trans is "inborn".

I was reading a question thread on Quora (I read it for entertainment the way I read reddit), where there was a discussion about being trans as a social contagion, and the natural response of "why would anyone face all the discrimination they'd take just to be trans?"

I don't fucking know. I used to know a kid who had tats and piercings galore and openly joked about making himself "unemployable". I've known self-proclaimed witches bitch about how there were "burning times" and were dying to make a stink about how society hates pagans. We've all heard about that obnoxious vegan who lectures everyone about how evil meat-eating is.

Know what those people have in common with being trans? Even if you assume that being trans is "inborn", what it is you actually do with it is a series of choices about how you choose to interact with society. The point being: if, when you decide that you are in fact openly trans, you take that to a place of demanding special attention and having your shitty behavior tolerated by the rest of society because of how you chose to present yourself to the world, it means, it probably IS a social contagion wrapped in the idea of pissing off the normies.

The only difference with being trans is that it has an insidious taste for emotional blackmail that actually works. I've never met a goth who threatened suicide if you didn't accept them being goth.

Eventually, you learn that if you ever want to get anywhere in life, you owe the world a little conformity. Most of us just get there after some period of trying on different identities first. So yeah, asking people if it's a social contagion is not only a valid question, it's absolutely imperative to ask if someone thinks they're trans because everyone else at school who goes to that one class with that one teacher is suddenly queer.

It goes with the whole "why would they lie?" question that people ask when people lie about things like hate crimes and rape accusations. Beats me. Humans aren't perfect. They do stupid things for all sorts of stupid reasons. Point being, even if something is disadvantageous, perhaps there is a situational advantage to doing it that isn't evident to you, or doesn't follow the paradigm of doing something for the perfect good that you seem to assume that everyone will follow at all times and not do things for personal gain or malicious intent.

 

[Soso]

I’ve been plagued by one question since I hit peak trans; why exactly do people transition?

There's countless reasons why they claim to transition but I have noticed a few common ones. For plenty it's a fetish. Middle aged father's trooning out after seeing porn, the greasy admin looking at anime girls and thinking he can be one, the fag who thinks he could be a girl to 'trick' guys etc. For some, it's autists, minors, and/or lonely people being taken advantage of by those who claim to be egg hatchers. Those who are lonely seek any sort of community whether they realize it or not, and they desperately try to fit in becoming degenerates as well. I have noticed the ones desperate to seek a community are also the ones who most likely detransition.

 

[Not A Bunny]

There's countless reasons why they claim to transition but I have noticed a few common ones.

Also, being trans seems to be the only counterculture movement that practically guarantees happiness. And that line gets obscured by the fact that given medical interventions that tend to alter moods, it certainly appears that there's a great big gray area between "transitioning makes me happy" and "these drugs I'm taking are making me feel happy".

No other counterculture movement, be it punk, goth, pagan, tell you that coming over to their side makes you happy. Except for one: cults.

Also funny how people lose their sense of self in cults and are bound to an unquestionable ideology, huh?

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Marketing works. Repeated phrases, repeated words, repeated ideas, they work. You won’t convince all the people to buy the soap powder*, but you’ll convince enough to try it.



*tranny shit

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Lucky; sounds like you missed MonetizeYourCat and the "baeddel" movement in the early 2010s. You can still find crusty troons in Tumblr-adjacent spaces with "baeddel" in their userIDs, though.

Comprehensive Retrospective (written by a pooner but very thorough documentation) (archive)

There's a resurgence in Baeddelism now because of the increasing interest in radical feminism after JKR and 4B. I didn't know that baeddelism specifically referred to HSTS, but that makes sense because they're also all about Trans Lesbian Separatism. Basically it's about assuming that 'man hating' feminism actually applies to TIFs and they came up with the term 'AFAB privilege', TIFs need to feel guilty and provide reparations to TIMs. Also, there is no transphobia except misogyny, and obviously transmisogyny is the worst of all the isms. https://www.tumblr.com/nothorses/678483300672749568/lets-talk-about-bæddels-a-comprehensive
Trans Men are trying to become TIRFs, Trans Inclusive Radical Feminists, and they pitch themselves as the true disciples of Dworkin because she was originally anti-trans but later decided she was okay with it, which is true.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Trans Lesbian Separatism.

I would be completely fine with this if it were real separatism. Like if the Tranch had been real and they all wandered off to be semi self-sufficient elsewhere and not keep demanding things from normies.

I used to know a kid who had tats and piercings galore and openly joked about making himself "unemployable". I've known self-proclaimed witches bitch about how there were "burning times" and were dying to make a stink about how society hates pagans. We've all heard about that obnoxious vegan who lectures everyone about how evil meat-eating is.

This "courting oppression" is like how some religious groups, notably LDS and JWs, send out teens/young adults to knock on doors and try to convert people. The purpose isn't that the young missionaries actually win those suburban souls. They want a kid in the Rumspringa years to get spurned and rejected--over and over--by "secular" strangers, so they cleave more to the Church, especially if they're doing this away from home and away from the support of their family.

It's not exactly the same as "cut off your parents and join your glitter family," but it rhymes.

 

[Neko GF]

Cross-post from the True Crime thread, Transgender edition thread. Something I've noticed with troon pics, particularly ones from the most physically repulsive tranny thread is that a lot of troons have really deformed & misshapen skulls. Like the pic below:


Is this one the magic effects of HRT?

 

[A Bit Concerning]

I used to be neutral on trannies (and even somewhat of an ally) up until a couple of years ago, when I started to actually think about how retarded the whole thing is. Specifically these are the two biggest things that pushed me away from it, along with a bunch of smaller things that could honestly warrant their own thread.

Every single tranny I’d ever come into contact with, was, without fail, a perverted scumbag with seething rage at anything and anyone that wasn’t validating them 24/7. They are always delusional narcissists with raging addictions to pornography, or they’re incredibly depressed and misguided losers who got groomed into this shit by people on the internet. They are ALWAYS like this. No tranny is mentally well adjusted.

In order to accept tranny ideology, you have to make multiple retarded leaps of logic, because otherwise it will tear itself apart. It’s inherently contradictory in so many different ways and the entire house of cards falls apart when you realize the entire thing is predicated on:

one very specific mental illness not being treated as a mental illness

The beliefs of a pedophile quack (John Money)

The belief that someone should be allowed to completely destroy their mind and body because not being allowed to do so makes them sad

 

[Cat Funt]

lol ok