/r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Messiah Mike]

And now on to more pressing news, someone on the tno thread apparently posted malware on main. The jannys have been given their brooms and dispatched to aisle 9 to clean up the tards shitflinging

More news at 6pm eastern only on kiwifarms

Edit: Also happy 900!

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

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[Messiah Mike]

I love you guys.

Omg guys I love this community here is some reddit gold

 

[Ryona420]

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I think it was joked here in the past that most of the nu-TNO devs have this strange weeb bias where despite Japan being the one who not only did cannibalism (and were proud of it) and were far more barbaric and brutalist compared to the Nazis the white guilt of the soydevs and the fact that Japan might allow samurai spirit buttsex makes Japan morally superior in their eyes. Its been no secret that they hate the America fuck yeah, fight fascism, fandom the mod has attained when really its hard not to. As has been pointed out for years now you cannot pull the same shit you do with the Soviets as nothing you can do to America can make them as bad as the Japs and Nazis without political brainrot gymnastics.

At the very least mango got his wish as it seems given the comments that most of the pro-American people have been banned and purged. I say purged since lets be honest they probably did say stuff and got deleted by commissar mango. Before when Mango posted his retarded crap especially his British rework where Americans yeet British refuges into the ocean and gun them down for teh lulz people called it retarded. Nowadays the TNO fans eat it up, death to America! Glory to the anti-imperialist forces of the Empire of Japan! If the school of thought itself was not already pozzed psychologists should study anti-Americanism and its brainrot as a phenomenon. People have such smooth brains when calling America Nazis they will side with actual Nazis while calling America Nazis.
Edit: That did in fact happen

Given it had a lot of updoots at 19ish as of posting this it seems that there is some resistance in the mod itself and it probably pisses mango off.

 

[Messiah Mike]

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I think it was joked here in the past that most of the nu-TNO devs have this strange weeb bias where despite Japan being the one who not only did cannibalism (and were proud of it) and were far more barbaric and brutalist compared to the Nazis the white guilt of the soydevs and the fact that Japan might allow samurai spirit buttsex makes Japan morally superior in their eyes. Its been no secret that they hate the America fuck yeah, fight fascism, fandom the mod has attained when really its hard not you. As has been pointed out for years now you cannot pull the same shit you do with the Soviets as nothing you can do to America can make them as bad as the Japs and Nazis without political brainrot gymnastics.

At the very least mango got his wish as it seems given the comments that most of the pro-American people have been banned and purged. I say purged since let’s be honest they probably did say stuff and got deleted. Before when Mango posted his retarded crap especially his British rework where Americans yeet British refuges into the Ocean and gun them down for teh lulz people called it retarded. Nowadays the TNO fans eat it up, death to America! Glory to the anti-imperialist forces of the Empire of Japan! If the school of thought itself was not already pozzed psychologists should study anti-Americanism and its brainrot as a phenomenon. People have such smooth brains when calling America Nazis they will side with actual Nazis while calling America Nazis

Hmm…. Pick a side between libshitted trash or third world nationalist trash….

Well I think of myself as a centrist so i’m going to support the third reich, that seems to be the moderate solution here

 

[Ryona420]

Hmm…. Pick a side between libshitted trash or third world nationalist trash….

Well I think of myself as a centrist so i’m going to support the third reich, that seems to be the moderate solution here

Might be the future for TNO given how Mango's writing it.

 

[Messiah Mike]

Might be the future for TNO given how Mango's writing it.

I mean hey i’m a white guy, I might as well go with my rational self interest and support the white supremacists if it’s a competition between psudeo communist race mixers and 3rd world nationalists

 

[Sooty Soot]

I mean hey i’m a white guy, I might as well go with my rational self interest and support the white supremacists if it’s a competition between psudeo communist race mixers and 3rd world nationalists

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[Some Hobo]

[TNO prove to be very silly, time and time again.]

I'm not an expert on the leanings of the TNO dev team in regards to their stance on the US, by any such margin, but I find it incredibly odd they have this (for want of a better term) guilt complex over America in the Cold War. They keep doing things to make it seem like it's actually this evilist tag that is morally grey at best and outright repugnant to the level of their enemies at worst - which is just plain stupid.
They hue and cry about all the atrocities America can and will do, from it:
>supposedly being a fascist state that can have more than one elected official centralise power around themselves, swapping to fascism - unless you elect the very wholesome black lady who wishes to expand welfare and gibs who fixes all of this
>nuking Haiti, with the event actively making fun of people who made jokes about nuking Japan from earlier TNO
>supporting colonial forces in DV (i forget how far they do this though, i know that's more of the domain of Germany)
>literally throwing british refugees off of ships and using agent orange in the south (they backpedalled on this but the fact they even considered such utter fucking nonsense is indicative of some kind of brainrot)
>claiming 4th term Nixon turns the US into (loose and unexact quote from me) "a mirror of its enemies"
>and many, many other things that evade me at time of writing

Which is all quite frankly, fucking absurd, least of all because of the leanings of the America team. Pacifica and xir ilk were open, card-carrying communists, and they were in no way as harsh about America in spite of this. Do you people know why? Because their opponents in the Cold War were:
A: The literal Nazis, who organised a mass genocide of multiple ethnic groups in Europe (again, i forget if TNO has backpedalled on how far GPO has gone by now, because there were different times where they've said different things)
and B: Imperial Japan, who also organised multiple massacres - including the rape of Nanjing. Though I suppose TNO also tries to paint them as oddly morally grey as well, where they'll support wholesome anti-colonialist superstars in Madagascar and West Africa, but then also despots like the Ayatollah and Mobutu.

They understood that yeah, sure, maybe America can support some bad people (like arguably they did irl depending on your political leanings), but nine times out of ten, it was better than the Nazis or the Japs.
But the current US team are liberals, Mango himself openly stating he endorses the Democrats. So to get to the the thesis of where I'm going with this little ramble - what the fuck are they trying to argue? Why are Liberals - who should be over the moon at the idea of the US finally reclaiming their losses in WWII in some kind of cool NATO-addled fantasy, acting like they're some kind of ultimate evil, and that Japan is this slightly unwholesome mirror to the Soviet Union? Do they want people coming out of their vision of TNO with the thought "the US was actually bad, and we were wrong for fighting the japanese, who were misunderstood colonial freedom fighters"? or "we shouldn't have won the cold war irl"?
As far as I'm aware - they want to change it so that both Italy and France can't join the OFN, for one, and for two they want to try and give Russia the most minimal borders possible for the 2WRW, going so far as to expand the size of Ostland to make this a reality. Why do they insist on trying to sell TNO as this self-masturbatory exercise in how the US is actually just as - if not more - evil than the colonial empires of the literal Nazis, and the Empire of Japan, and that things can never actually get better?

TLDR: stop trying to make the US seem evil when her opponents are unquestionably moreso

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

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Damn, where did the indian content sticker go?

 

[Seventh Star]

>nuking Haiti, with the event actively making fun of people who made jokes about nuking Japan from earlier TNO

Tbh nuking Haiti is so kino that I wish it was a part of old TNO canon.

 

[Jewthulhu]

But the current US team are liberals, Mango himself openly stating he endorses the Democrats. So to get to the the thesis of where I'm going with this little ramble - what the fuck are they trying to argue? Why are Liberals - who should be over the moon at the idea of the US finally reclaiming their losses in WWII in some kind of cool NATO-addled fantasy, acting like they're some kind of ultimate evil, and that Japan is this slightly unwholesome mirror to the Soviet Union? Do they want people coming out of their vision of TNO with the thought "the US was actually bad, and we were wrong for fighting the japanese, who were misunderstood colonial freedom fighters"? or "we shouldn't have won the cold war irl"?
As far as I'm aware - they want to change it so that both Italy and France can't join the OFN, for one, and for two they want to try and give Russia the most minimal borders possible for the 2WRW, going so far as to expand the size of Ostland to make this a reality. Why do they insist on trying to sell TNO as this self-masturbatory exercise in how the US is actually just as - if not more - evil than the colonial empires of the literal Nazis, and the Empire of Japan, and that things can never actually get better?

I see two options here. It could be the left wing culture-warrior obsession with self-flagellation (hyper focusing on the sins of the west while ignoring the rest of the world). As a Cold War sperg, I can tell you that you see a LOT of those types bitching about the US' actions during the Cold War while ignoring the (frankly, more systemic) crimes of the Communist bloc.

But from what I've seen of the mod, it's hard to rule out that it's just bad writing. I think an easy trap to fall into when you're trying to write morally grey is that when one side is so obviously better than the others, you make them cartoonishly evil to compensate.

 

[Messiah Mike]

But from what I've seen of the mod, it's hard to rule out that it's just bad writing. I think an easy trap to fall into when you're trying to write morally grey is that when one side is so obviously better than the others, you make them cartoonishly evil to compensate.

We might as well get GRRM on this. We all know winds is never coming out so we might as well put him on a productive course and have him rewrite a mod developed by autistic shitlibs with egos the size of small nations.

 

[Arno_oalgo]

stop trying to make the US seem evil when her opponents are unquestionably moreso

hot take, I think America should not be portrayed as the wholesome 100 last bastion of freedom and geldmacht and it should be viewed soberly as just another incompetent total state in a world dominated by incompetent total states, but that idea is fundamentally beyond the devs. Japan being portrayed as an asymmetric anti-colonialist power is just OTL Japanese policy, it was for sure self serving but it was based on genuine sentiment.

 

[Aisin Gioro Puyi]

Japan being portrayed as an asymmetric anti-colonialist power is just OTL Japanese policy, it was for sure self serving but it was based on genuine sentiment

there was no genuine sentiment of anti-colonialism in japanese policy, it was just used to rile up colonial subjects in the territory of their enemies, and to placate the occupied nations

 

[Ryona420]

"we shouldn't have won the cold war irl"?

I know this was Panzer's main gist. The point in old TNO which had a canon ending was that it basically is OTL 21st century cold war with OFN basically having old NATO borders as German crumbles and OFN comes to clean up but now a resurgent Russia and China threaten the U.S. It funny enough echoes the whole end of history Panzer and old TNO used to love where despite winning WW2 things basically just go back to normal, something something defying fate. Funny thing is how Mango and the rest glaze Japan as an anti-imperialist freedom fighter is in character. In the sense that Japan would be an expy of the PRC in this timeline and makes sense but also that Mango and his ilk would ironically be the types most presidents in TNO hate. Its a sort of irony they are writing the lore as someone as retarded as Mango would be a good TNO story event chain of useful idiot retards who support Japan and think they can be reasoned with. Add in sprinkled events how Japan portrays itself as both kawaii AND masculine militarist who helped colonized people so Mango-tards pat themselves on the back, then a few events later have one about some of the horrible slave conditions in the sphere and the grim reality that they are becoming aware their master is portraying themselves as noble heroes and retards in the west actually think they are in paradise.

Not sure if autistic to bring up real politics but reminds me of the Iran stuff. There's lots of communists and even shitlibs talking about orange man's war in Iran and unlike the conservatives who just don't want le heckin burger soldiers to die, they are more worried about the browns and how the browns actually love the Ayotollah. Cue every so often an actual Iranian chimes in on how they hate western apologists are trying to condone the government which is a dictatorship and killed so many protesters.

 

[Arno_oalgo]

there was no genuine sentiment of anti-colonialism in Japanese policy, it was just used to rile up colonial subjects in the territory of their enemies, and to placate the occupied nations

I Recommend you read Japan's Total Empire: Manchuria and the Culture of Wartime Imperialism by Louise Young. it changed my perspective on why Japan was like that. Pan-Asianism and a broader anti European imperialism was an animating force in Japan, a conception developed from being consistently snubbed by the great European powers in the late 19th and early 20th century. that they alone as the only coloured race to resist the dominance of Europe was proof enough that they had a duty to shape Asia in its image (ie interest) to replace the failing Chinese as the head of a Confucian family of nations, I hope your intelligent enough to know I'm to excusing Japanese war crimes or imperialism or normalised abuse under Japan's dominion.

 

[Verdun_Salient]

TFR got updated, made a ton of combat changes. No sign of Dark MAGA but these combat changes look cool.

Spoiler: Changelog

THE FIRE RISES - v1.0.9.1c Changelog

-- COMMON --
- The mod is now updated for the current version of HOI4 - 1.19
- Old doctrine system was replaced with a new one.
- Special Forces Doctrines were added
- Two new economic actions were added. Civilian and Military investments let you spend your hard-earned money to receive buffs in exchange
- You receive more buffs/debuffs from your War Support and Debt To GDP Ratio. Stability is not the only important parameter now
- Multiple bugfixes

-- ASIA --
- Hidden production debuff was removed for the minor countries that participate in the Asian Cold War.

-- COMBAT --
- Overall Strategic Bombing Damage was reduced
- Land Unit tweaks. Multiple buffs/nerfs for different Battalions
- ALL Marine Units (Infantry Marines, Amtracks, Amphibious Tanks) can exfiltrate from ANY coastline province, without needing the port
- Support Companies do not extend the combat width anymore. Combat Width extension from research/doctrines was also removed
- Air Fights last much longer as the air combat is significantly slowed. Your whole airforce won't get evaporized in one day anymore
- Multiple Modules for Tanks and Aicraft were tweaked. Modules that used to be obviously inferiour have a use now
- Weight of the airplane does not multiplicatively progress with the new researched Airframes now
- Strategic Bomber Airframes got more weapon slots than before
- Gen 3 Helicopters research was moved from 2028 to 2024. Price of Utility Helicopters was greatly reduced. Attack Helicopters overall stats were improved, related research buffs were increased, Attack Helicopters can perform Naval Strikes now
- A significant cost reduction for Drone Launch Sites. Loitering Munition Drones deal less damage, but also cost much less
- A significant cost reduction for Static Anti-Air. Static Anti-Air stats like Bomber Damage/Hit Factor/Bombing Damage Reduction were improved

-- LAND UNITS --
- SPGs damage and hardness was reduced. Even with the changes it stands as a good Hard Attack dealer with great pierce capabilities
- MLRS received a huge Soft Attack increase and an ability to deal damage to state buildings. With its combat width being changed from 3 to 2 and huge fort attack buffs MLRS will be much more viable now
- SPAA soft/hard attack was reduced
- APCs play a much more significant role now. They provide good soft attack, breakthrough, recovery rate, and speed. Combined, it stands as a great unit for quick pushes with encirclements, facilitating a breakthrough or even participating in volunteer missions around the world
- IFVs overall stats were nerfed. Even with the changes, IFVs excel at holding your frontlines
- Recon Tanks received a massive organisation buff and can now operate without any other units in the template. Combined with increased speed and lowered cost, new changes make them very viable for tags that have to carefully balance out their military production, like Japan or countries of Europe.
- Main Battle Tanks have much more Organisation now. Modern Tank guns have better reliability
- Exoskeletons have reduced prices and increased stats
- Motorized Infantry defence was increased, combat width was changed from 4 to 3. Now it stands as a decent mobile Defence unit for its price
- Amtrac Battalion became a fully self-sufficient unit with great stats and bonuses for their role
- Amphibious Tanks were improved in multiple ways. Combat Width was reduced from 4 to 3, organisation and terrain specific bonuses were significantly increased.
- Starting Reliability of all Mechanized Equipment and Tanks was lowered
- Movement speed of all Mechanized Equipment and Tanks was lowered
- Armour of APCs and IFVs was reduced. Their piercing was improved
- Recon tank armour was slightly improved
- Supply usage by Light Mechanized, Mechanized and Tanks was increased
- Doctrine Mastery Gain is increased, especially in division/ship/air wing training

-- COMBAT TLDR --
- 2 width units tend to be damage dealers with low org that work great with other units in the template
- 3 width units tend to be self sufficient units with high enough org to fulfill their role
- 4 widht units are Mechanized and Main Battle Tanks that can truly shine with some attack/org help from other units

-- MISC --
Integrated the 'TFR Fixes' submod from Lifestrike, fixing loading and saving among other issues. We salute you!```

 

[SoberHeart]

3rd world nationalists

Utterly retarded statement, about the same level as the word "slopulist"

 

[Mound Dweller]

>literally throwing british refugees off of ships and using agent orange in the south (they backpedalled on this but the fact they even considered such utter fucking nonsense is indicative of some kind of brainrot)

This is incredibly based and should have stayed in though, would've done wonders for our Israelite Identity.