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/r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity
Honestly, I do kind of like this change. It shows the legacy of the pseudo fascism of our new deal and how we have never truly grown past the authoritarian reforms of FDR. It puts a bit of a mirror to our timeline and shows how the New order really isn’t that different from the our order. The world we live in is paved atop the bodies of the 20th century, We really haven’t come to terms with how bloody the last century was and in the TNO tl it is no different except its perpetrators throw roman’s and heil hitler instead of reading (((marx))) and praising (((lenin)))
The key part to understanding the sheer scale of TDS going on here is the line about Crisholm being the only way for America to redeem itself from fascism. Who's Crisholm, you ask?
That's right - fascist white supremacist Drumplereaganite America will elect a black girlboss president in 1972 to save itself from being literally just as bad as Hitler. I'm sure this has nothing to do with the lead dev being a Kamala supporter.
The key part to understanding the sheer scale of TDS going on here is the line about Crisholm being the only way for America to redeem itself from fascism. Who's Crisholm, you ask? Ver archivo adjunto 9064046
That's right - fascist white supremacist Drumplereaganite America will elect a black girlboss president in 1972 to save itself from being literally just as bad as Hitler. I'm sure this has nothing to do with the lead dev being a Kamala supporter.
I looked at her wikipedo and it sounds like she is basic bitch liberal progressive.
Only notable thing is she was first black woman in US congress and her father was fanboy of Marcus Garvey.
Speaking of Black nationalists.
Imo japs should be funding black nationalist groups like they did Irl during interwar period.
@Computer God Autism By the way, since Yippie is now making AmeriKKKa fascist because of the New Deal, can you give us an effortpost on how you would design a fascist/managerial TNO America in terms of writing and gameplay?
So standard (pdx) multiplayer autism.
And reason why every time you join some organized group you will receive 2 page word document full of rules and restrictions.
Don't American leftists like the new deal?
I know their opinion of FDR has declined due to internment, keeping out Jews and lack of progress on civil rights but what changed for them to think the New Deal turned the US "fascist"?
What opinion do they have on pre FDR US?
The key part to understanding the sheer scale of TDS going on here is the line about Crisholm being the only way for America to redeem itself from fascism. Who's Crisholm, you ask? Ver archivo adjunto 9064046
That's right - fascist white supremacist Drumplereaganite America will elect a black girlboss president in 1972 to save itself from being literally just as bad as Hitler. I'm sure this has nothing to do with the lead dev being a Kamala supporter.
Btw she her congressional records is basically just maintaining the new deal but adding tons of gibs for niggers. Das rite, The woman who will defeat le evil fascist america is a sheboon who’s entire policy is that fat black woman at walmart chimping out because her ebt got declined
Don't American leftists like the new deal?
I know their opinion of FDR has declined due to internment, keeping out Jews and lack of progress on civil rights but what changed for them to think the New Deal turned the US "fascist"?
What opinion do they have on pre FDR US?
FDR didn’t elevated LGBTIAQXWZ voices and is therefore Hitler or something like that.
I don’t think they have a particularly cogent view of American history other that it is the Great Satan.
Yippie looks like ass, Mango thinking that any of this will be subtle is shear delusion on Xer part.
Wait is Mango a tranny? I just assumed so as they’re working on TNO.
Don't American leftists like the new deal?
I know their opinion of FDR has declined due to internment, keeping out Jews and lack of progress on civil rights but what changed for them to think the New Deal turned the US "fascist"?
What opinion do they have on pre FDR US?
That’s why Mango’s chimp out over it is particularly funny. Hating the New Deal because “it made America communist/fascist/managerialist” is usually a rightwing/lolbert/neoreactionary position. It’s a hilarious display of the horseshoe effect.
Mango really took the Burnham pill and is all in on the Managerial Revolution.
500 terms for Roosevelt. If FDR lived a few more years the USSR would have joined NATO. 5 million new New Deals. Then retirement and 1000 terms for Richard Nixon. Then the final razing of France.
That’s why Mango’s chimp out over it is particularly funny. Hating the New Deal because “it made America communist/fascist/managerialist” is usually a rightwing/lolbert/neoreactionary position. It’s a hilarious display of the horseshoe effect.
Mango really took the Burnham pill and is all in on the Managerial Revolution.
It’s like the hati nuke, It’s so retarded it accidentally loops back to being kino. You know now that I think about it, Mango might have been /ourguy/ all along. Just look at all the evidence; The Hati nuke, The DV, Every single us president being a psudeo fascist and the only one who isn’t is a retarded black woman who would never get elected. Two of those results directly lead to TND and the last one is basically a fascist propoganda piece that states that only fascism can work because the alternative is a sheboon
Mango might just be a crypto fascist dropping hints and may just pretend to be a retarded shitlib to subtly red pill shitlibs into hardcore corporatist nationalists.
Or he may just genuinely be retarded and doesn’t understand the implications of his writing. It’s probably this but it is funny to pretend it’s the former
The key part to understanding the sheer scale of TDS going on here is the line about Crisholm being the only way for America to redeem itself from fascism. Who's Crisholm, you ask? Ver archivo adjunto 9064046
That's right - fascist white supremacist Drumplereaganite America will elect a black girlboss president in 1972 to save itself from being literally just as bad as Hitler. I'm sure this has nothing to do with the lead dev being a Kamala supporter.
It's amazing that Panzer, who harbored some third worldist beliefs that hated American exceptionalism and viewed America as the long term big bad in TNO manage to have had a far more nuanced and down to earth view of the United States than the current devs in comparison. Fucking clown world.
Revised inland west coast factions & new ideology icon art
New Frontier is Fascist apparently. Possibly PF affiliated?
Amazing work here. Sorry devs, the /v/olk demand content.
That’s why Mango’s chimp out over it is particularly funny. Hating the New Deal because “it made America communist/fascist/managerialist” is usually a rightwing/lolbert/neoreactionary position. It’s a hilarious display of the horseshoe effect.
Mango really took the Burnham pill and is all in on the Managerial Revolution.
Mango is just a regular dude. In fact most of the leads are. Pacifica, Panzer and all the other troons of note left ages ago and the only one left in a leadership position is their head moderator. That's one of the bizarre anomalies of TNO. Most of the original content people like? Made by schizophrenic communists that cut their dicks off. All the modern things people hate? Largely made by end-of-history centrist dudes without gender issues. The problem with modern TNO largely comes from a Fukuyama-esque mindset and the fact that these devs have a background in The Campaign Trail and never played HOI4.
"What is TCT?"
A CYOA political web game where you read events and pick reactions without any further gameplay or demands on the player. Once you understand this the direction of modern TNO makes a lot more sense.
The Haiti Nuke was something they introduced a year or so ago.
If the wholesome Haitian guerrillas beat the American colonial white supremacist imperialist guy in a proxy war, Goldwater and George Wallace can nuke Haiti which makes them lose the proxy war even harder by alienating everyone. It has since gone on to be one of the funniest/most mocked parts of the US rework.
Stripping back his radlib fuckery, this isn't an awful idea [massive citation needed] honestly.
FDR did shape the modern 'Imperial Presidency' as we know it (Mussolini himself likened the New Deal to fascism), making multiple Federal Institutions, and signing the most Executive Orders in history prior to Trump's second term. And with a loss of WWII those aspects should be emboldened, the US should have involvement in unions, they should be more willing to make big, sweeping actions rather than leaving them to the states.
However, instead of going >oh, the US is always fascist because of this unless you elect my specific black queen democrat
which is unabashedly retarded, I think a better angle to take a TNO US would more broadly be: "What would come of the New Deal if the US lost?"
Have more Libertarian aligned candidates like Goldwater and Reagan tear down the Regulatory State, arguing that was what lost the war, and have more traditional Democrats like Humphrey and the Kennedys build it up, arguing it didn't go far enough.
After all, the New Deal didn't truly "die" until people like Carter and Reagan came along, and the main crux of TNO's politics should either let you expedite, or prevent that process imo.
@Computer God Autism By the way, since Yippie is now making AmeriKKKa fascist because of the New Deal, can you give us an effortpost on how you would design a fascist/managerial TNO America in terms of writing and gameplay?
The biggest impediment to America becoming a lowercase-f fascist state from the New Deal is that FDR died with his revolution unfinished. He had the most effective political machine in American history at his disposal, had totally cowed his domestic enemies, kept large industrialists and utilities walking on eggshells, had the largest Cult of Personality in a President since Washington himself, and the total loyalty of the military, but all of that was just him. Discussions about term limits were being held before his body was cold and his successors, none of whom Roosevelt had shown any real favor or preference for, were unable to hold together his political coalition, while the Supreme Court suddenly remembered it had balls again. The New Deal consensus would invariably break apart whenever a politician realized it would be more personally and immediately advantageous to patronize ethnic minorities over whites, which would also prevent a capital-f Fascist form of organizing labor, while the existence of the Republican party as a coalition outer party and no meaningful third parties would necessitate concessions without someone as strong as Roosevelt to slap them around or as pliable Thomas Dewey leading them.
Basically to prevent the fascist managerialism of the New Deal from transforming into neoliberalism, FDR would have needed a clear, hand-picked successor groomed for the position, there could no term limits imposed on the Presidency, the Republicans would have to split, and racial issues would either have to be sidelined or crushed. You could still have elections, still have a supreme court, still have a constitution, still have a market that resembled OTL, but all of them would be rendered farcical in terms of how power would then be concentrated and delegated (not that that could ever happen, not here certainly).
Gameplay wise, assuming that all of that is the case, you would have two balances of power; one between the Presidency and Supreme Court, and one between the New Deal hardliners and burgeoning Radicals in the Democrat party. If the Supreme Court gets too much power, it suddenly remembers that most of the New Deal is just blatantly unconstitutional and can cause a political crisis; if it suddenly remembers that but has been sufficiently packed, then it can render the President a figurehead and begin consolidating power into itself. Inversely, too much power in a President just gives away the lie of an Imperial Presidency, and would bolster opposition over how things are resembling that German model just a bit too much. Political Power would be spent on having to manage and dilute the large industrialists to prevent their wealth from being funneled into political opposition, and ideally into your own political causes (see the Henry Ford foundation), or otherwise coopting them and making them reliant on government contracts. Similarly for the utilities, which create large client classes in poorer areas (both of these, of course, hurt the economy and economic growth long-term). The radicals in the Democrats would be constantly trying to push the party leftwards and would essentially be stuff like the SDS and its many offshoots (including the Weather Underground) on steroids, given how thoroughly infiltrated the Roosevelt administration was by both Trotskyists and Stalinists in OTL and would only be worse in TNO's; they would be useful for being able to defang domestic political opposition, but runs the risk of opening up racial politics. New Deal hardliners would want more cooperation between the government and labor; they would want an expansion of the New Deal to increasingly every aspect of American life, and to stamp out regionalism (this obviously also runs the risk of splitting the party).
There's a very good reason both Hitler and Mussolini praised it. Now, that's not to say Roosevelt was himself a nazi or a fascist, but rather that all forms of managerialism start to experience significant forms of overlap once they scale to a certain point. As for whether he was a commie, read Stalin's War by Sean McMeekin and come to your own conclusion.
