💬 Off-Topic Queer Book Club - "Listen to trans people" - now in book form!

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I should start a collection of all the definitions these people give to "queer". Yesterday, I saw someone claiming that to be queer is to be tolerant and open-minded (meaning lesbians that aren't into "girlcock" aren't queer). Today, to be queer is about "synthetic conciousness, inherited trauma, and a protagonist navigating identity across time and space".

Great find! I checked out the free sample and it's hilarious. If someone wants to go in-depth, please do so. There's nothing funnier than a troon's attempts at depth and philosophy (I think he's going for a post-humanist angle). Here are some things that made me laugh:

The book begins with the sort of description that's in vogue right now, meaning bad attempts at purple prose with vague, often meaningless visual images that amount to lazily gesturing in the direction of Blade Runner and going "yeah, like that":

The city exhaled in colorless pulses. A wet-gray hum of exhaust and rainfall kissed the towers, never quite washing them clean. Panels blinked advertisements too fast to read. Somewhere, a child's laugh skittered through the air and was swallowed whole.

(Aside from the redundancy of the first two sentences, am I the only one disgusted at the yuxtaposing of the "rain as a kiss" image with the idea of "never washing the dirt of the city clean"? Something about kissing the very disgusting dirt and "exhaust" of the city is short-circuiting me).

However, it's the second paragraph that presents the pièce de résistance of this book:

Ae moved like smoke. She was tall, quiet, forgettable by design. The Human's coat was the kind that never quite revealed its lining, the collar turned just enough to hide the jawline but not enough to seem dramatic. Ae walked with purpose only known to aer. Head lowered, eyes alert beneath it all.

I don't know about you all, but I'm excited to read a whole ass book where the protagonist has "ae/aer" pronouns. I love that it reads like a name; I love that the pronouns are introduced before the protagonist's actual name; I love that we're actually introduced to two different characters in this paragraph, but my first thoughts upon seeing the "she" in the second sentence were "did the author already fuck his fancy pronouns up?" and "does 'aer' have a set of pronouns?", in that order; and I love that you'll be confused for a couple scenes yet regarding what the actual fuck those two pronouns refer to.

The author's philosophizing about basic syntax is very funny too:

"Syntax," ae said, voice calm, deliberate. "The spine of meaning."

[...]

Ae continued: "A clause contains a subject and a predicate. But more than that —it contains a decision. A slice of time, caught mid-thought."

Someone coughed. Someone else muttered about lunch.

Ae diagrammed a sentence that ended with longing, then broke it down until all that was left was structure, verb tense like scaffolding, punctuation like breath. It didn't matter if they cared. That wasn't the point.

Because for forty-seven minutes, the room obeyed the laws of language. Ae dictated them.

(Gotta love the "the room obeyed the laws of language" with "ae dictated them". Freudian slip? Or simply saying the silent part out loud?).

If you're gonna be this annoying and wrong about syntax 101 in a university class, using Chomsky would have been less embarrassing than whatever that was. No wonder your students are bored. And avoid the association between punctuation and breath —that's how you get commas between subject and predicate!
 
My book group was looking for a new title to read, and this one came up in the voting. Got precisely one anonymous vote, presumably from whoever submitted it in the first place. Wendi Guff/Gogh is a she/them, so it counts for this thread.

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BOSSED BY A MONSTER—sounds overbearing, right?

It is, and this guy’s not just any monster. He’s a Boggart—the literal being of nightmares—and I swear his sole mission in life is to make mine a bad dream come true.

Every time I turn around, he’s there.

Bedazzling me.

Bewitching me.

Befriending me.

But I won’t back down, not even when Mr. Ettin proposes a friendly little bet. Who cares what the stakes are—there’s no way my boss is gonna win.

Except…he does.

It’s more than just my pride that’s on the line—my heart is, too.

But will Bash stick around when he finds out all my secrets, or am I just setting myself up for more misery?

*This M/F monster romance features a non-op transgender woman. Her gender is not the focus of this story but it does shape her journey in finding love.*


From a GoodReads review:
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*This M/F monster romance features a non-op transgender woman. Her gender is not the focus of this story but it does shape her journey in finding love.*
I am really surprised they didn't gender bend the boggart. Isn't that the thing that shapeshifts into whatever you fear in Harry Potter? Unless Rowling just twisted the folklore origin of the name. If not, surely it could shapeshift between M and F fairly easy.

I think I prefer synopses and reviews to actual read-a-longs. So hard for me to read through this bs seriously. I'd rather do anything else for fun.
 
Chapter Five
As Achilles’s eyes adjusted to the dark, she saw that they were not alone. A woman sat on the floor, smaller than Achilles, with a pointed nose and huge, black-rimmed eyes and thick black hair full of tiny gold bees. Enormous gold earrings hung from her ears, and a collar necklace shaped like an enormous gold-and-lapis hawk covered her neck and chest. More gold and lapis in the form of bangles adorned with beetles, six rings that looked like guardian snakes with emerald eyes, a signet ring with mysterious magical Egyptian symbols, anklets and bracelets and toe rings, and even a ring pierced through her left nostril. Achilles tried not to stare, but everything about Meryapi was bejeweled, and her simple linen gown was so fine it shimmered.

Meryapi stared directly at her, wide-eyed. “A woman with a spear,” she said, “in a helmet! You must be Achilles. I am Meryapi, daughter of Henuttawy, daughter of Great King Usermaatra Setepenra the Eternal, and I am honored deeply to be in the lands of your people, and to have Patroklos Menoitiou for my husband, and can I get you some wine? Grapes? Figs? Please sit, you must be thirsty. I’ll have your feet washed. Tell me if I get any of the customs wrong! I don’t want to offend your gods.”
By the pen of Thoth, there's some real history here! Unfortunately, this guy likes throwing in his historical knowledge trivia even when it makes no sense. Uermaatra Setepenra is a prenomen of Ramesses II, who didn't have anything to do with the Trojan War. He did, however, live during that time period.
Chapter Five
Meryapi blushed a little, looking over the clay tablet as if embarrassed. “I am corresponding with Uncle Khaemweset. Each day, I try to learn something new and send the knowledge home. This one is about dolphins.”

“Don’t they have dolphins in Egypt?”

Meryapi shook her head. “Only on the coast, and they are small and unfriendly. Your Achaian dolphins are playful, and do tricks, and beg for fish. I learned a song from Kreté that is sung to dolphins, and one of the soldiers told me about a dolphin who used to meet him to throw a ball back and forth when he was a boy. Perhaps I will be able to meet a dolphin myself and compose a report on the dolphin language.”

Achilles narrowed her eyes. “I am not so sure dolphins have a language. They are still fish, no matter how clever.”

Meryapi frowned. “No, that is not true. Everyone tells me they speak a tongue of clicks and whistles, like the men who live in the forests south of Punt. I hypothesize that this may be an ancestral tongue once spoken by all beings, a language even older than Ran Kumat. Pardon me—a language older than Egyptian.”

Achilles leaned forward to object. “That makes no sense. Why would men in the southern forests and dolphins in the Sea of Aigaia speak the same language? Were the dolphins once forest-men, or were the forest-men converted from dolphinhood by the schemes of some god?”

Meryapi clapped her hands and a servant came in, an Achaian woman in a white tunic. “Bring us wine and figs, Glyke. Achilles, you mock my hypothesis, but it is said that long ago, humans and animals could communicate by speech. Even now, there are wise men who know how to talk to monkeys, who are a species of hairy half men who live in the forests north of Punt.”

“I’ve never heard of these monkeys,” Achilles said, “but they sound grotesque.”

“No,” Meryapi said sternly, “do not slander monkeys.”

Achilles found herself frowning. She had apparently insulted Meryapi’s friends. “Well,” she allowed, “I’ve never met one.”

“I have,” said Meryapi. “In Swenet. They were shy people, but kind and thoughtful.”
And then he loses it. Why is someone, a woman at that, from Ancient Egypt spouting modern science regarding the communication of dolphins?

Also, I'm unsure what the thing with monkeys in Swenett is about.
 
By the pen of Thoth, there's some real history here! Unfortunately, this guy likes throwing in his historical knowledge trivia even when it makes no sense. Uermaatra Setepenra is a prenomen of Ramesses II, who didn't have anything to do with the Trojan War. He did, however, live during that time period.
HUH. This is a weird flex to include. I wonder if this miiiiight be a sideways reference to the version of the Trojan War where the Helen at Troy was just an illusion and the real Helen was in Egypt the whole time. One of my favorite poets, Hilda Doolittle wrote an anthology based on this premise (Helen in Egypt) and romantically tied Helen and Achilles together in the underworld (it’s very trippy and very good). I doubt it though, since this is one of the more obscure variations and not in the actual Iliad.
And then he loses it. Why is someone, a woman at that, from Ancient Egypt spouting modern science regarding the communication of dolphins?
This entire section is just such a random aside. Why are we speculating about the nature of dolphins???? (This is likely an oblique reference to Dionysus turning the dudes into dolphins? I guess?)
 
Coming back to this project, as I am currently reading a book detailing what the story of Helen tells us about the Ancient Greek world and what our knowledge of Bronze Age Greece allows us to understand about Helen. It’s fascinating, and made me think of this atrocious story. Though not as funny as Manhunt by any stretch of the imagination, it’s always funny when troons a.) think they’re smart, and b.) really want to claim every character throughout myth, legend, and history for themselves.

In order to do this, Deane is attempting to weave what he knows of history (and to give credit where it’s due, he sometimes seems to show a deepness to his knowledge right before tripping over his own ego and writing nonsense about how the Greeks didn’t know what umbrellas or parasols were) with his own fantasy. For normal authors who do this, the fantasy part is usually not a wet dream splashed onto ancient text, it’s taking a familiar story and adding bulk and context.

But not for this true and honest woman. He’s on a mission of his own, and I’m going to dive back into it.

They were off to a great start. Achilles felt herself beginning to flush with embarrassment. It would have been better to talk less and listen more, but the flawless Egyptian was a challenge she could not ignore.
I’m sorry, but I’ll never get used to seeing female pronouns given to such a manly hero like Achilles. It just doesn’t work historically-speaking nor does it work for the myth. Achilles is an established hero, and trying to change him into a transwoman means that all that we know about the way ancient writers characterized him has to be thrown out the window.

He is literally Achilles in name only. But at least I haven’t come across any more passages of him claiming to be jealous of women dying of ovarian cancer…
Glyke returned with two huge cups of watered wine and a bunch of desiccated brown fruit that looked entirely unappetizing. Achilles accepted a cup and a few of the fruits, planning to eat one for politeness’s sake and wash it down with wine. She bit into it, and the tiny crunchy seeds burst across her tongue. It was sweet. The wine was good as well, if somewhat bitter.

“Animals used to talk to us,” continued Meryapi. “So which is more likely: That animals were struck dumb by some calamity, or that humans stopped learning their languages?”
Yep, we’re still talking about talking animals. We’re no longer making our Egyptian lady here hold the beliefs of modern scientists, though, that dolphins in particular have language. Now we’re talking about all animals once having language.

Egyptians believed that all animals naturally had their own form of speech, and many of them were conduits for the gods. This is different from Deane’s previous dialogue about dolphins in particular, but still different from Meryapi’s current philosophical (I use that term loosely, as I think Deane’s ego is running away with him and he thinks he’s way more philosophically-inclined than he actually is) waxing about animals speech from a mythological standpoint.

The idea that animals once all spoke Egyptian and then suddenly didn’t feels too Garden of Eden-like to me. Egyptians didn’t believe in a previous version of Earth that was suddenly changed due to the calamity of the first sin, nor did they hold any similar stories. This is Deane thinking he’s clever.
Patroklos had settled down next to them, and Glyke returned momentarily with a cup for him. He was watching them with a bemused smile. Perhaps the conversation was already too ridiculous for him, or perhaps he wanted to watch it play out. Either way, he was no help.

“I suppose it is more likely that humans stopped speaking animal languages,” Achilles said grudgingly. “If we ever spoke those tongues.”

“The gods would know,” said Meryapi. “I was wondering if you could ask them? They are very old, and you are the first mortal I have met who has a goddess for a mother.”

Achilles glanced at Patroklos. “You told her?”

Patroklos shrugged. “Was it secret?”
Poor Achilles, like most troons, finds that given a topic of conversation about literally anything other than porn, skirt-go-spinny, or whatever media he’s trying to appropriate for his own cause, he can’t keep up. And this isn’t even a hard conversation; it’s a retarded Egyptian who thinks that sipping wine and asking, “So, like, maybe animals could talk?” It’s not that hard to follow!

Also, Athena still isn’t Achilles’ mother. I don’t know why Deane did that. I mean, if you were going to change Achilles’ origins to a goddess a little more familiar to modern audiences, why would you pick a goddess known for being a virgin?

Meryapi smiled and sipped at her wine. “I asked about all the kings and princes of the Achaians when I got here. Patroklos answered my endless questions, and now I know everyone’s genealogies. You are the only one born directly of a goddess. Is the wine good?”

Achilles drank stiffly. She had made a fool of herself arguing with the Egyptian, and for no obvious reason. Maybe part of her was territorial about Patroklos. He had always been her cousin, and now this overeducated Egyptian highborn had a better claim on him. Jealousy was an ugly thing, so she pushed it away and drank more wine. “Yes. I’m just thirsty and argumentative. Don’t they have gods in Egypt?”
Again, Meryapi isn’t being educated or smart here, Achilles! You shouldn’t feel stupid talking to her, but troons aren’t exactly known for their logic.
Meryapi nodded. “The gods travel and seldom stay anywhere long. Grandpapa met Djehuty in his youth, whom you call Apollo. They quarreled over the Hittite war.” Her wine cup was already half-empty. She must have been a prodigious drinker.
First of all, Egyptians didn’t necessarily believe all of their gods were travelers. Many of them were stationed in cities where they were resident, patron gods and protectors. Unless this is meant to be metaphorical, but I don’t think Deane thinks that way nor would he write that way.

Also, he clearly thinks he’s being clever again by using the name Djehuty, a more obscure name for the god Thoth. Unfortunately, he again falls over his own over-inflated ego and makes the blunder of saying that Thoth’s Greek counterpart was Apollo. The Ancient Greeks, obsessed with synchronization as they were, believed Thoth (Djehuty) was Hermes.

I’m not sure why he’s making these mistakes. The only thing I can imagine is that, in his rush to get back to describing Achilles' wondrous blossoming womanhood, he’s trying to dredge up half-remembered tidbits of mythological trivia and isn’t even bothering to run to Google for a quick fact-check.
Not to be outdone, Achilles sipped again. The wine was beginning to hit her—quick stuff, wine—and she felt her frown starting to soften. Meryapi was very pretty, in a sparkling-eyed way, and she gestured with her hands when she spoke, setting her jewelry clattering and glinting. Now Achilles wished she had started with small talk. “How did you meet Patroklos?”
This wasn’t small talk?

Also, funny how the troon-brain once again has Achilles looking at Meryapi the way he would if he were still the man the Greeks described.

And with that, my brain is done with stupid. I’ll be back later, but when this book slows down, it really does.
 
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