Public Opinion on having kids - before and after parenthood

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If you don't have kids, just think about having kids for a second. What comes to mind? Probably stuff like; 'bunch of whiny crying brats', 'changing tons of diapers', and 'kids are expensive!' It seems through most of my life, the general public sentiment has been, 'Having kids is ACTUALLY very challenging and expensive! Wow isn't that surprising!' over and over and over again. Its this strange paradigm where most young people are afraid of having kids and view it as a big detriment to their own success, and yet are constantly told negative facts about having kids as if its a big revelation.

Then comes parenthood, ready or not. And suddenly there's this 180, where its all positivity and everyone is acting like this is exclusively a good thing. Bring up the money concerns or anything else and its just dismissed as, 'you'll figure it out! It'll all be fine!' And... they're right. There's so much JOY in parenting that I didn't hear talked about much. Babies after like 3-4 months of age change from these sleeping crying little people, into being really fun. Just smiles all the time, they are fascinated by anything you show them, and laugh at the simplest thing. It can be a lot of fun to just play with them or watch them, they are so easily entertained that its just heartwarming and it makes you want to show them new things. I pretty much NEVER heard this discussed!

Very little of the positive aspects of toddlers either were mentioned. Just all the negative. 'Good luck keeping track of them when you're out in public! They run everywhere! They try to beg you to buy them things at the store constantly!' And then the reality is that they are so curious about the world around them they are so much fun to talk to and listen to as they have wild speculation about things. They just say the funniest things sometimes, little kids can be just a ton of fun. Also if you've raised them right, 95% of these concerns I'm hearing about are way being blown out of proportion. Just set expectations with little kids in simple, clear ways, and be CONSISTENT about enforcing them and most of that bratty behavior stops really fast. Unlike teenagers, little kids don't usually hold much of a grudge, they usually bounce back almost immediately from a stern talking to with tears and all, to playing happily 5 minutes later.

Now part of this big change for me is I hadn't been around babies like hardly ever prior to being a parent. Just no babies born in my family when I was young, wasn't around even little kids that much. Barely went over to my cousins houses, and they were mostly around my age. Just kind of isolated, so you hear all of these negative warnings and very little positivity, with very little real experiences to reckon them with, and it left me being terrified of parenthood. It took forever to feel ready. Really it was more of an accident, panicking, then becoming okay with it after the fact.

Surely I can't be the only man who has very little experience with kids and is told all of these negative things, and just gets scared off of the prospect, maybe forever. This is probably a widespread problem and contributing to our downfall in society. I know this is a generalization and perhaps your experience doesn't match mine, but I'm sure this extends to beyond my own experience.
 
Kid-hatred is pushed by people who resent being forced to grow up before they were ready to stop being teenagers. In American society, most people want to be teenagers until age 35. Kids are awesome, everyone should have them, and what happens to childless people as they get older is life just gets a lot, lot lonelier.

Nobody is ready for their first child, ever, it is impossible to be "ready" the way it's impossible for you to ever really be "ready" for your first job. It will be hard, you will suck at it, and if you wait another 10 years, you'll just be older and more tired and more set in your ways, not more "ready."
 
I've already posted about this lol
Kid-hatred is pushed by people who resent being forced to grow up before they were ready to stop being teenagers. In American society, most people want to be teenagers until age 35. Kids are awesome, everyone should have them, and what happens to childless people as they get older is life just gets a lot, lot lonelier.

Nobody is ready for their first child, ever, it is impossible to be "ready" the way it's impossible for you to ever really be "ready" for your first job. It will be hard, you will suck at it, and if you wait another 10 years, you'll just be older and more tired and more set in your ways, not more "ready."
Some people just straight up don't have the capacity to properly care for kids at all, ever, so all that ultimately ends up happening from them reproducing is kids being born into a situation where they end up with lifelong issues and trauma (if they don't get murdered by their parents anyway).

Having kids doesn't mean life isn't going to get a lot, lot lonelier as you age or prevent you from dying alone. Just ask my egg donor, or any other abusive piece of shit who made the mistake of reproducing.
 
I've already posted about this lol

Some people just straight up don't have the capacity to properly care for kids at all, ever, so all that ultimately ends up happening from them reproducing is kids being born into a situation where they end up with lifelong issues and trauma (if they don't get murdered by their parents anyway).

Having kids doesn't mean life isn't going to get a lot, lot lonelier as you age or prevent you from dying alone. Just ask my egg donor, or any other abusive piece of shit who made the mistake of reproducing.
I'm curious about how you feel. You've posted quite a bit about your parents and it sounds like you were quite scarred by your parents, especially your mom. Also I've read your rants about cringing at crying brats in public and whatnot. Who can't relate to these feelings?

I have no doubt that parenthood isn't for you. But, I wonder if your reasoning isn't misguided. It sounds like similar to my experience if you've read my post here, you didn't have many positive examples to counteract your negative ones. There was a time in life where I would have sympathized with all of your rage-induced tyraids against children. And yet, I myself was moved so far from that point and can clearly see my own past narrow view of the topic. The reality is so much different and there's so much to gain. You don't have to have kids or want to have kids, but I wish you wouldn't disparage so badly (talking about bashing heads in even) something I'm convinced you don't even understand.
 
Kid-hatred is pushed by people who resent being forced to grow up before they were ready to stop being teenagers. In American society, most people want to be teenagers until age 35. Kids are awesome, everyone should have them, and what happens to childless people as they get older is life just gets a lot, lot lonelier.

Nobody is ready for their first child, ever, it is impossible to be "ready" the way it's impossible for you to ever really be "ready" for your first job. It will be hard, you will suck at it, and if you wait another 10 years, you'll just be older and more tired and more set in your ways, not more "ready."
Where I work, the young engineers and analysts I know complain that they don’t make enough for raising a family. Then if/when they get raises and promotions, they immediately spend it on a new car, live in a trendier and more expensive neighborhood and then they say that they can’t afford a house or family. Meanwhile a really religious guy who is a technician I work with owns his own home, a stay at home wife and four kids but he brings his own lunch to work and drives a ten year old car to work. The aforementioned engineers and analysts never cook anything themselves and their consoomerist lifestyle would never allow them to own a ten year old car. What would their “friends” on Instagram think of that?!?
 
I'm curious about how you feel. You've posted quite a bit about your parents and it sounds like you were quite scarred by your parents, especially your mom. Also I've read your rants about cringing at crying brats in public and whatnot. Who can't relate to these feelings?

I have no doubt that parenthood isn't for you. But, I wonder if your reasoning isn't misguided. It sounds like similar to my experience if you've read my post here, you didn't have many positive examples to counteract your negative ones. There was a time in life where I would have sympathized with all of your rage-induced tyraids against children. And yet, I myself was moved so far from that point and can clearly see my own past narrow view of the topic. The reality is so much different and there's so much to gain. You don't have to have kids or want to have kids, but I wish you wouldn't disparage so badly (talking about bashing heads in even) something I'm convinced you don't even understand.
You should read my non-Thunderdome posts sometime. Come to Beauty Parlor.

There's nothing wrong with having kids as long as you can care for them properly. The problem is many people do not have the capacity to do that, and especially when you get into shit like malignant narcissists reproducing that's barely better than pedophiles having kids (given its not a matter of if, but when they abuse their kids).
 
Having kids is giving up your independence. It's a large sacrifice and a life-long commitment. It's something you should think long and hard about and be prepared for. Most people do not plan for their parenthood. Sometimes there's a "switch" that flips when you have a kid and you go from not wanting anything to do with a kid to wanting to give the world to them. Not everyone is cut out for being a parent for any multitude of reasons.

That said, I think even if someone would be a "good parent" they shouldn't have to justify not wanting kids. Though if you don't want kids because you hate them, you don't have to sperg about your anti-natalism constantly. I think parents who become zombie slaves to their children are just as harmful to society though.

I'm not having kids because I don't want to be a parent, the idea of fathering a child just does not spark any kind of joy in me. Trying to imagine any facet of parenthood just doesn't bring any kind of positive reaction in my brain, for whatever reason. I didn't have a bad childhood or anything either. It also sounds way too fucking hard for how little I care about it. I think there's way too much stuff that can go wrong with raising a child these days, and I guess I don't want to deal with it.
 
Having a family has always been my dream. The idea of bringing new life into the world and raising them the best I can I feel is my personal mission in life. Sure, it will be difficult as hell and there's always the chance I'll screw up and the kids will grow up to hate me, but none of that would matter because I would be doing my best to fulfil my duty as both a father and as a man.

It's sad to see so many people who don't want that sort of thing, or worse, take it for granted and squandering a child's growth and development. But I can sympathize with why some people don't want that sort of thing.
 
I want other people to have kids. Let life happen, etc.
But like, don't reproduce if you don't like kids, because no one likes it when neglected children wreak havoc on society or themselves. And don't expect to be treated more favorably just because you don't want to reproduce. Maybe that's why people are political extremist these days, because they don't have that anchor.
 
up until the last few years i was very anti having kids. i heard and repeated the points which OP points out about how horrible kids are, how you lose money and independence, and how much better life is without them. And i still agree that those points are valid for those who are in their teens and early-mid 20s.
but as ive reached my 30s i no longer see those are valid for anyone my age and up. at this point i feel that the points for not having kids sounds more like young people wanting to spend their money on toys and going out partying every weekend and that sort of thing. but once you get older it's time to settle down and grow up, i find i have no desire for that kind of lifestyle anymore and the thought of having a wife and children now appeals to me. when i ask myself would i rather have a quiet family life or one spent either partying or wasting my time on vidja and spending my money on anime figurines, i find the later to be repugnant and the former to seem very comforting.
Some people just straight up don't have the capacity to properly care for kids at all, ever, so all that ultimately ends up happening from them reproducing is kids being born into a situation where they end up with lifelong issues and trauma (if they don't get murdered by their parents anyway).

EVERYONE? REALLY? Have you seen the people documented on this website?

There are a lot of people who should never procreate.
absolutely. one of the major problems is how so many people who should not reproduce end up having 10 diffrent kids. ethan ralph is up to two at the moment but i honestly believe he will get at leat one or two more out. and he is just one out of countless others.
 
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