Polygraphs/Lie Detectors: real or bullshit? - I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN FUCKING ANIMALS, JUST ADMIT IT AND WE CAN ALL GO HOME

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Are Polygraph tests actually worth anything? From what I read it just measures your body reactions, it can't actually legitimately tell if you're lying or not. It just seems to be a foundation for the polygraph operator to start interrogating you to see if you confess. Pretty much every police agency wants you to take one to see if you snort coke on the weekends or fuck animals or anything similar but I feel as if you're just not worried/don't give a fuck and stick to your story you can probably pass it and even if you don't, theres probably 10 other police agencies in your area.

The only people who say polygraphs work are the polygraph companies as well, everyone else thinks they're bullshit and antipolygraphy.org has a 250 page PDF on the polygraph and how to beat it.
 
Straight up bullshit. A polygraph machine is more of a psychological tool applied to an interview and if the psychological pressure of being attached to a polygraph machine while you're asked questions doesn't affect you, then it doesn't detect lying any better than somebody guessing.

Discussions about how polygraph exams are inconsistent.
Look all the people this motherfucker killed while simultaneously working for BOTH the CIA and KGB, oh and guess what he passed a polygraph exam twice.

Basically it's an interrogation with fancy graphs and lines and whether you pass or not ultimately comes down to chance and not sperging the fuck out about it. It doesn't have any real scientific basis.
 
Polygraphs are not lie detectors. They are meant to give additional information to an interviewer to help detect if someone is being deceptive.

They are absolutely useless if used as the sole or even main indicator of deception. They help an interviewer narrow down their questions based on how a person responds.

If someone has a physiological reaction to a question where they hadn't had one to the previous question, it could indicate many things, deception included and it is up to the interviewer figure out why by modifying their questions.
 
They're meant to scare people into divulging things before even getting to that point. Once watched a guy fail his top secret before the polygraph because he willingly volunteered the fact that he "might have autism" (self diagnosed btw) and that he did "pup-play" with his gf (there is a section on one of the pre forms that asks about sexual deviancy) MF came strutting out of the interview room bragging "Oh I was very honest about EVERYTHING, they're gonna LOVE how honest I am, I told them about stuff they didn't even ask for!" Homeboy found out he failed before we even left the building. As others have said they just detect heightened emotion so if you get flagged for something they'll just make a note to verbally drill you into giving things up.
 
Polygraphs are bullshit. The Jeremy Kyle show got cancelled because a chav killed himself over a false positive polygraph test that resulted in the end of his marriage (since the polygraph was about him being unfaithful to his wife). The only thing it tests is if you’re stressed out, which means jack shit since interrogations are inherently stressful (especially if you know the results are going to be aired on daytime telly).
 
Objectively bullshit. The US is perhaps the only country in the developed nation that gives any credence to them. Most countries do not allow them as any type of admissible evidence due to the continuous findings that they're pseudo-science.

Stressed because you're put in an intentionally created stressful situation? False Positive.
Emotional over the line of questioning? False positive.
Have a heart condition, high blood pressure, or other forms of conditioning that apply strain and stress to the body? False positive?
Got a fucking cold/flu/infection? False. Fucking. Positive.
 
Polygraphs were invented by a degenerate swinger who enjoyed BDSM. They're every bit as bullshit as anything else that ever came out of his filthy sewer.
 
There's a reason they're inadmissible as evidence in the US; inside the US, only federal law enforcement and security clearances use them.

The NSA has publicly disclosed that around 90% of information that would make someone ineligible for a clearance is provided voluntarily; sometimes this is via polygraph.

The actual problem with them is that reading a polygraph is dealer's choice, i.e. totally up to the person running it. You can absolutely fail your polygraph on Tuesday, return next year with a different proctor and say the exact same things with the exact same physiological indicators and be clear to go.
 
Virtually all local, county and state law enforcement agencies use them for prospective hires. So do almost all professional (paid) fire departments. Been through that shit a few times for several FDs and it's nothing but bullshit.

That's likely moreso due to them being good for detecting stress, and the stress levels themselves are likely what they're trying to gauge rather than honesty.

Its might also be a placebo as far as the feds go. People more like to admit things they wouldn't otherwise due to believing the test is real. Its likely used as a springboard for a trained examiner to start getting in to someone's thought processes (figuratively).
 
What would happen if the polygraph asked you to”Have you ever lied” and you said “Yes” and it said that was a deceptive answer?

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Objectively bullshit. The US is perhaps the only country in the developed nation that gives any credence to them. Most countries do not allow them as any type of admissible evidence due to the continuous findings that they're pseudo-science.

Stressed because you're put in an intentionally created stressful situation? False Positive.
Emotional over the line of questioning? False positive.
Have a heart condition, high blood pressure, or other forms of conditioning that apply strain and stress to the body? False positive?
Got a fucking cold/flu/infection? False. Fucking. Positive.
i think american courts also don't admit polygraph shit into evidence
from my understanding they're mostly used by american cops as a tool to bullshit and intimidate the suspect into a confession

like,
>did you do it?
>no.
>*machine beeps*
>you're lying!

that's not evidence of anything. but if it goes

>did you do it?
>no.
>*machine beeps*
>you're lying! tell the truth instead!
>ok yeah i did it.

then that confession is admissible in court.
 
100% bullshit. Total bluff to make people think it determines truth.

It's just a machine that tracks natural human bodily functions that CAN correlate to stress. This stress is supposed to represent deceit in response. Right off the bat a sociopath feels no remorse in murdering or raping wtf do you think? He's going to feel bad or stressful about lying to a total stranger? How about mood altering drugs like barbiturates or benzos? Anything that disassociates you negates the entire purpose of the machine. It's just a device used to weed out idiots into confessing and a bluff so the dumber suspects have to answer the question "if you're so innocent why won't you take a polygraph test'?

Virtually all local, county and state law enforcement agencies use them for prospective hires. So do almost all professional (paid) fire departments. Been through that shit a few times for several FDs and it's nothing but bullshit.

Did the test administer yell at you too for "breathing wrong"? I can hear in someones voice they are tired of repeating the same line again over and over. The guy who wired me up gave me this tone like he was mad at me but, it sounded all wrong like he had said the line so many times it was wearing on him and he forgot what it was supposed to sound like when he was actually mad at someone.



I consider myself a weird but, morally neutral and complicated person. One of the most surprisingly fun things in my life was fucking with the "mall cops" at my shitty retail job, they had no access to polygraphs or fancy tools, they illegally recorded private conversations on their cell phones and did a shit job of hiding it. Ultimately they were just very poorly trained investigators given the title "loss prevention manager". One day the store audit came back and it was so bad they just decided to fire everyone one by one. They chose to use the LP guys as their tools to sweat everyone off the payroll. I didn't associate with any of my coworkers outside of the store, a lot of them thought of themselves as thugs and gangsters just because they sold coke as a side hustle and other dumb shit like ripping people off on CL. I knew they stole shit from work here and there. So here comes mallcop and they're in tears escorted out the store ratting on themselves, they were then given the ultimatum to quit or be fired, if fired the company would have to pay unemployment, so obviously they pushed resignation.

They fired 4-5 guys and over idk a week and a half and my number came up. First of all I hated that job half of me wanted to be fired collect unemployment and work contracting under the table, beyond that I saw it coming a mile away when the LP guy "Steve" shows up unannounced one day and keeps eyeballing me. I got the feeling he was a rookie I knew the room he'd want to talk in. I had something really heavy for lunch might have been Italian meatball sub extra onions something brutal to smell face to face. This tiny room I'm sent to I pretend like I'm adjusting my clothes and press the chairs close as possible and take the one nearest the door, now when he enters he's in a corner with guy who's breath smells like mace. He starts probing me for morals, gives me a hypothetical about to employees under me I catch stealing, "you see them both steal and confront them, one of them confesses the other denies even though you saw both do it, doesn't the guy who at least admitted it have a better character? Doesn't he deserve a second chanc-" I cut him off, "Fuck no. both theives fuck 'em, fire 'em. next question". "yeah... but don't you see how the guy who felt bad had remorse?" "no, at least the other guy had balls to commit to what he did, you're splitting hairs, fire them both. Why am I in here? I have my manager duties to attend too" "well I'm sure you know Jimmy and Timmy and others aren't working here, you probably heard internal theft was involed. We need to know you're one of the good managers, not like them" "I work hard and don't steal anything, if that's what you are asking me. I get the feeling our time could be spent doing more productive things"


I can tell the onions on my breath are getting to him at this point, I'm purposely exhailing a lot as I speak and pushing the limits of personal space.


"Yeah... well Jimmy and Timmy we kind of expected them of the kind of guys to steal things, now we have to make sure everyone else is not pulling the same inside job" I can feel the joy in me as Jimmy and Timmy are Mexican or something, can't recall. I raise my voice a bit "Wait, what do you mean expected"? he realizes he fucked up badly saying that, I watch his pupils demeanor change instantly. He rephrases the statement, and I say I'm confused. All of sudden I'm interrogating him and he blurts out something like "well um you know it's kind of their thing" My reply: "who are they"? He's fucking nervous now and I double down. "Are you saying that Jimmy and Timmy are culterally predisposed to theft"? He has nothing but this nervous look on his face, I repeat the question. I can tell he's searching for some kind of neutral reply and caught off guard. "You're making this conversation really odd saying stuff like that, Steve. Is this something I need to talk to the union rep about?" At that point he's in full panic and just ends the interview and leaves the location. The boss comes up to me 5 mins later asks how I chased Steve out of the store like that. I told him I basically convinced him he was racist and our useless impotent union might hear about it. Boss starts laughing as a white smart mouthed kid just played the race card and fucked with this guys head who's job it is to sweat people for a living. I got a promotion next week unrelated and they pulled the same shit with more seasoned LP manager on me.
 
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