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This is unusual enough that I'm making it a full-ass thread. If that's too autistic go ahead and merge it somewhere else.
Phreeli is a new privacy focused wireless company offering phone and data service. Lou Rossman apparently made a video about it recently, but I stumbled across it while looking for something related to CalyxOS.
One of the founders was involved in CalyxOS, and was one of the first people to challenge National Security Letters. They claim not to sell your data. They also use a clever crypto trick to separate your billing data from your phone data. (I am not sure how much protection this offers in practice. See below.)
They're a T-Mobile reseller. They are expensive if you need a lot of data. Otherwise they're not much more than T-Mobile.
All you have to provide them is payment and a ZIP code. The ZIP code is legal requirement, for tax billing purposes. I don't know if anything would stop you from lying about it, but as this may be illegal, I do not endorse it.
You can pay with conventional means, or with crypto, including XMR. They offer to ship a SIM, or you can download an eSIM (including an option over TOR!).
There are some limitations.
You need to be running a secure OS such as Graphene for any of this to matter. Duh. And obviously, you'll need to hide your power level and be careful what you install. If you text over SMS, no, Phreeli will not protect you. I probably don't need to explain this on KF.
Your carrier can still identify and track you by analyzing your location from cell tower ping over time. If a phone comes home to the same place every night, they can infer who it belongs to. I'm not sure how to prevent this besides building your own physical infrastructure, and competing with the big 3 is effectively illegal. The carriers will never change this because it would cost them money to implement privacy protection, they wouldn't be able to sell your data, and some men in nice suits would show up in a black SUV and politely request that they turn 100 million goy trackers back on.
Because of this, I don't know how much it matters to separate payment data from phone records. Glowies can still figure out who you are, where you go, and when you're active. For a temporary phone, maybe it helps, but even if you change your number the IMEI can be tracked if you use it as your main phone. At that point you may be better off with a conventional burner.
There have been some other criticisms of it. They range from reasonable to pants-on-head retarded, often from the same source.
"If you tell them your credit card/address information, they'll know!" Holy shit, really!? Then pay in XMR and use an eSIM, dumbass.
"Phreelie admits to collecting device information and links your IMEI to your phone number!" You mean... it follows the required protocols in order for it to function? How odd.
"They respond to legal requests!" I would like to see them commit to warrant only, not just general requests. Aside from that... no duh.
"Their privacy policy is rather vague about what data they retain and how long." This one has a bit more force. Phreeli claims to delete and anonymize logs as much as reasonably possible, but doesn't really explain when or how. There's a lot of wiggle room there for subhuman lawyers (but I repeat myself) to justify fuckery. I'd like to see them tighten this one down. But they're a new company so I'll cut them a little slack on this one.
Most of this comes down to "use your brain" or "a reseller can only do so much to protect you from legal requirements and/or carrier faggotry".
It's far from perfect, but seems like a step in the right direction.
I KF pinky swear that I have received absolutely nothing in return for making this post. These guys don't know I exist and I haven't even switched to their service yet. I'm just interested to see what others might think.
Phreeli is a new privacy focused wireless company offering phone and data service. Lou Rossman apparently made a video about it recently, but I stumbled across it while looking for something related to CalyxOS.
One of the founders was involved in CalyxOS, and was one of the first people to challenge National Security Letters. They claim not to sell your data. They also use a clever crypto trick to separate your billing data from your phone data. (I am not sure how much protection this offers in practice. See below.)
They're a T-Mobile reseller. They are expensive if you need a lot of data. Otherwise they're not much more than T-Mobile.
All you have to provide them is payment and a ZIP code. The ZIP code is legal requirement, for tax billing purposes. I don't know if anything would stop you from lying about it, but as this may be illegal, I do not endorse it.
You can pay with conventional means, or with crypto, including XMR. They offer to ship a SIM, or you can download an eSIM (including an option over TOR!).
There are some limitations.
You need to be running a secure OS such as Graphene for any of this to matter. Duh. And obviously, you'll need to hide your power level and be careful what you install. If you text over SMS, no, Phreeli will not protect you. I probably don't need to explain this on KF.
Your carrier can still identify and track you by analyzing your location from cell tower ping over time. If a phone comes home to the same place every night, they can infer who it belongs to. I'm not sure how to prevent this besides building your own physical infrastructure, and competing with the big 3 is effectively illegal. The carriers will never change this because it would cost them money to implement privacy protection, they wouldn't be able to sell your data, and some men in nice suits would show up in a black SUV and politely request that they turn 100 million goy trackers back on.
Because of this, I don't know how much it matters to separate payment data from phone records. Glowies can still figure out who you are, where you go, and when you're active. For a temporary phone, maybe it helps, but even if you change your number the IMEI can be tracked if you use it as your main phone. At that point you may be better off with a conventional burner.
There have been some other criticisms of it. They range from reasonable to pants-on-head retarded, often from the same source.
"If you tell them your credit card/address information, they'll know!" Holy shit, really!? Then pay in XMR and use an eSIM, dumbass.
"Phreelie admits to collecting device information and links your IMEI to your phone number!" You mean... it follows the required protocols in order for it to function? How odd.
"They respond to legal requests!" I would like to see them commit to warrant only, not just general requests. Aside from that... no duh.
"Their privacy policy is rather vague about what data they retain and how long." This one has a bit more force. Phreeli claims to delete and anonymize logs as much as reasonably possible, but doesn't really explain when or how. There's a lot of wiggle room there for subhuman lawyers (but I repeat myself) to justify fuckery. I'd like to see them tighten this one down. But they're a new company so I'll cut them a little slack on this one.
Most of this comes down to "use your brain" or "a reseller can only do so much to protect you from legal requirements and/or carrier faggotry".
It's far from perfect, but seems like a step in the right direction.
I KF pinky swear that I have received absolutely nothing in return for making this post. These guys don't know I exist and I haven't even switched to their service yet. I'm just interested to see what others might think.
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