🐱 People are mad about ‘Ghostbusters’ again

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Director Jason Reitman revealed on Tuesday that he was called to direct and co-write an upcoming new Ghostbusters movie that follows the original 1984 film directed by his own father, Ivan Reitman, Entertainment Weekly reports. “Finally got the keys to the car,” Jason tweeted.

But before you can say “who ya gonna call?” the backlash percolated online.

In a few months, Sony Pictures plans to begin shooting the film slated for a summer 2020 release, with the older Reitman as producer this time.

“This is the next chapter in the original franchise. It is not a reboot. What happened in the ‘80s happened in the ‘80s, and this is set in the present day,” Jason told EW. “We have a lot of wonderful surprises and new characters for the audience to meet,” he continued.

It’s too early to tell who’s part of the cast, who will be the new characters, and what the plot will be about. However, it’s also highly unlikely the original actors like Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, and Ernie Hudson will star.

Meanwhile, Jason has reportedly “begun testing teenagers for four mystery roles,” according to sources, says Variety. Sources cited by the Hollywood Reporter even went so far as to say he’s looking to cast two boys and two girls. The project was supposedly so covert, the studio even used fake title “Rust City” to “keep the news under wraps until plans were ready to be unveiled,” Varietyadds.

One thing’s for sure, according to EW: It won’t be related to Sony Pictures’ 2016 all-female Ghostbusters reboot directed by Paul Feig, and which starred Kate McKinnon, Leslie Jones, Kristen Wiig, and Melissa McCarthy.

Even with very little information about the new installment in the famous franchise, already, Tuesday’s announcement of a Ghostbusters “sequel” did not sit well with users on Twitter for different reasons.

For starters, a lot of people are disappointed the all-female reboot is not slated for a sequel.

What upsets some is how it appears that Ghostbusters’ producers are pandering to people (read: sexist males and other haters) who didn’t want the all-female reboot in the first place, and who will then consider this “winning”:

As to be expected, a lot are calling this reboot unnecessary, and even self-proclaimed fans of the entire Ghostbustersfranchise are among them. As @gracerandolph tweets, “So what if it’s in the same ‘universe’?! If new #Ghostbusters doesn’t star #BillMurray #DanAkroyd #ErnieHudson #SigourneyWeaver … nobody cares.”
The only apparent good news this time around: At least the backlash to the latest installment isn’t as sexist.

As a Ghostbusters fan since childhood, I’ll leave this here: “The Ghostbusters universe is big enough to hold a lot of different stories,” Reitman told EW. I daresay truly devoted fans will watch any iteration of this classic.

 

[TokiBun]

Is the first film really that good? I mean it's a nice comedy but I don't understand why it needed sequels beyond being a media franchise.

 

[Coccxys]

Bullies will always find ways to twist a narrative to fit their preconceived notions of self-victimization, but in this instance, the media willingly followed suit, and that’s left a nasty stain on the discourse we’ll never truly get over.

That's some projection tight there.

 

[Pargon]

Is the first film really that good? I mean it's a nice comedy but I don't understand why it needed sequels beyond being a media franchise.

The first film is excellent. All the leads have expert comedic timing, the story is simultaneously a light spoof of and a loving homage to the heroic loveable schlubs seen in the 70s and very characteristic of 80s comedy, the pacing moves right along perfectly and it wastes next to no time explaining anything that doesn't need to be explained.

That said, no, it didn't need a sequel but Hollywood will strive to cash in on anything successful and it's been that way for decades and will only get worse so...whaddya gonna do?

 

[Secret Asshole]

Just leave Ghostbusters dead. Let the videogame be the sequel. Let us have 'The Real Ghostbusters' cartoon. Let sleeping dogs lie. Because otherwise I have to hear the media why the entire world hated their bought and paid for darling without understanding in the real world, you don't get a participation trophy. That and its just going to get fucking ruined anyway.

Let them both fail. Maybe some magic will happen and everyone will realize its not men or women, its the quality of the film.

Stop it with the spider-verse comparisons. How can you do a spider-verse with the Ghostbusters? Lessee, we got the original, 2016, extreme... and that's about it. Spider-Man has been around since the 60's and has been active, while ghostbusters is from the eighties and has been relatively dormant. Marvel Comics has a lot to work with, plus the nature of its medium meant it was natural for crossovers and shit. Ghostbusters has barely anything.

This one youtube channel, Midnight's Edge, revealed leaked emails way back when fembusters was happening revealing they were trying to turn Ghostbusters of all things into a cinematic universe, complete with Avengers styled events, ever since their all female Spider-Man events fell through (titled Glass Ceiling). It can't work. It won't work. Stop trying to get something like this to work.

I'll tell you why ignore the new one: It failed. Here, in the real world, you don't get participation trophies because you tried. When you fuck up on the magnitude of losing Sony over half a billion dollars, you're fucking fired. You're done. Nobody talks about you in a fond way. Security escorts you off the lot and tosses your shit in the street. Everyone who survives the gigantic shit-storm slumps back in their chairs and exhales, trying hard as fuck to forget you even exist.

In short, you fucked up. Nobody likes you except your few low level friends who would get fucking fired if they spoke your name. And nobody likes those guys either.

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Nigger, you failed. Nobody liked your movie. It wasn't funny. It wasn't interesting. It wasn't innovative. It made people want to die. Everyone except the press, who Sony had to shell out fucking cash money to like, enjoyed it. Every critic treated it like they were wearing glass shoes while every movie goer dragged that shit's face in glass. People felt relieved that Harold Ramis was dead so he didn't have to witness the abomination or embarrass himself for a check. Bill Murray was forced to do it at gunpoint.

No one liked your shit. You don't get a participation trophy because you have a vagina. You probably don't even have a career anymore because you won't shut your nigger mouth about it. Notice how not a one of the other stars opened their fucking mouth? You know why? Because they're smart enough to know they lost 500 MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS on a film and nearly killed Sony studios. And here you are, acting like a dumb nigger who doesn't understand shit. Good job on breaking out of those stereotypes.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Now, Ghostbusters is forever shrouded in reminders that its status as a nostalgic favourite was used as a convenient battering ram to attack women and exacerbate a misogynistic hate agenda rooted in right-wing extremism.

No, it flopped because it was an unfunny movie about a collection of hippos waddling through New York trying and failing to do comedy, leavened with an air of unwarranted moral superiority. All delivered in a hectoring, shrill tone. They told a certain audience to stay away, and were shocked when...that audience actually did.

Spoiler: unrelated to the thread sperging

It is garbage like this that has me hoping against hope that Captain Marvel tanks at the box office once March rolls around. The salt that would flow from that would be beyond measure. Sadly, that is not going to happen, I think we can all say that much, but maybe a serious underperformance/massive drop off following opening weekend might still be in the cards?

Ideal scenario: Captain Marvel tanks and Shazam defies expectations and makes bank. Not gonna happen, but that would be truly a historic moment where Jezebel and the Mary Sue would doubtless call for the guillotining of random men pulled off the street.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

To quote Jay from RedLetterMedia:

"It's finally arrived! The most politically divisive movie of the year: A fucking Ghostbusters remake ... Guess that's where we're at."

It's never going to end, is it?

 

[Creep3r]

It's never going to end, is it?

No. Especially when Hollywood is so creatively bankrupt and only interested in easy and cheap cashgrabs devoid of soul and designed only to stimulate the most basic pleasure sensors through formulaic nostalgia drugs and pointless pandering.

 

[pwnest injun]

Plot prediction: Some kids are hunting ghosts with TV Ghost Show style cameras and digital recorders and such, and they accidentally stumble into a real deal thing and they have to try to dig up the old Ghostbusters who saved the world 2x from Real Ghosts. They meet their heroes, get an upgrade and become the New Ghostbusters. High five!

 

[BrunoMattei]

No, it flopped because it was an unfunny movie about a collection of hippos waddling through New York trying and failing to do comedy, leavened with an air of unwarranted moral superiority. All delivered in a hectoring, shrill tone. They told a certain audience to stay away, and were shocked when...that audience actually did.

Spoiler: unrelated to the thread sperging

It is garbage like this that has me hoping against hope that Captain Marvel tanks at the box office once March rolls around. The salt that would flow from that would be beyond measure. Sadly, that is not going to happen, I think we can all say that much, but maybe a serious underperformance/massive drop off following opening weekend might still be in the cards?

Ideal scenario: Captain Marvel tanks and Shazam defies expectations and makes bank. Not gonna happen, but that would be truly a historic moment where Jezebel and the Mary Sue would doubtless call for the guillotining of random men pulled off the street.

I don't really think you'll see a reprieve of Black Panther's success. Disney marketed that movie perfectly and to be fair, it is a decent superhero film. Not great or noteworthy. It's no Dark Knight, far from it. But It marketed itself as "Here you go negroes! The first GOOD black superhero movie! Shut up, Blade doesn't exist! It's Black Panther!" They picked the absolute perfect time to release it during Black History Month.

No one gives a fuck about Captain Marvel. Her powers are generic. The personality of the character is bland and by the numbers and Wonder Woman already came out and took whatever hype it could have had by being the first good female superhero film.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Plot prediction: Some kids are hunting ghosts with TV Ghost Show style cameras and digital recorders and such, and they accidentally stumble into a real deal thing and they have to try to dig up the old Ghostbusters who saved the world 2x from Real Ghosts. They meet their heroes, get an upgrade and become the New Ghostbusters. High five!

TBH, I wouldn't be mad at that.

Sounds like it could be the "Goonies" version of Ghostbusters.

 

[breadandcircuses]

You know... I said this before.

Ghostbusters, BUT WITH BROADS, is such an easy film to not only make, but make LOADSA MONEY from that only an Idiot like Paul Fiege could fuck it up.

I hope the movie is... better? It was a passing of the torch opportunity, but they ended up failing, terribly. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

All they needed to do was have either Ray or Peter show up half way through the first act and train the girls and show them how the tech works... maybe include the scientist ladies remarking new theories to improve it, second act of BUSTIN', third act of saving the day. Last scene, you got Ray, Peter, and Winston to show up, ready to rock only to realize that the Ghostbusters were already here.

Oh, yeah. And have the movie set in Boston or Chicago or St. Louis.

Ugh, I've ranted too much.

I apologize, but Goddamn, is Ghostbusters the hill these bitches wanna die on!?

 

[StarkRavingMad]

When I first heard about an "all female Ghostbusters" about two years prior to that infamous trailer dropping, I was completely down with that concept. I was like, "Okay, cool. There's some funny ladies out there who would make this fun."

Then, the trailer happened. And then, the movie happened. The movie was just as bad as the trailer. I don't know why defenders of the movie say that the trailer did the movie a disservice. Nah, the trailer was 100% accurate to the cinematic cancer that the media tried to force down our throats.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

Is the first film really that good? I mean it's a nice comedy but I don't understand why it needed sequels beyond being a media franchise.

It was obviously made just to sell the greatness that was Ecto Cooler.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Is the first film really that good? I mean it's a nice comedy but I don't understand why it needed sequels beyond being a media franchise.

The first film is excellent. All the leads have expert comedic timing, the story is simultaneously a light spoof of and a loving homage to the heroic loveable schlubs seen in the 70s and very characteristic of 80s comedy, the pacing moves right along perfectly and it wastes next to no time explaining anything that doesn't need to be explained.

That said, no, it didn't need a sequel but Hollywood will strive to cash in on anything successful and it's been that way for decades and will only get worse so...whaddya gonna do?

The first film is also an excellently crafted film. It is well paired down, such that pretty much everything in it is in service to the story and characters and informs one or the other. It features some stunning camera work. And truly amazing use of non verbal elements to inform the scenes.

The best comparative but I find is the scene in each movie where the Ghostbusters get the car. In the first movie the scene is an exquisite bit of cinematic craft. It is shot in one single fluid take with the camera doing careful framing to help tell the story. The scene is very three dimensional with a great deal of visual depth. Much of the scene is told silently through Bill Murday’s facial expressions. And most importantly the entire purpose of the scene and the car, is to inform the character of Dan Akroyd’s Ray Stanz. It, much like the choice of the Firehouse as HQ, defines him as the eternal man child of the group. The aging adult whos inner kid still dreams of driving the fire truck really fast and sliding down the pole. And at the same time, with almost no dialog Bill Murray tells us that Peter Venkman is not that particular man child. The car is there to inform and give definition to the characters without exposition. And the scene is shot in a way that is reminiscent of John Ford at his best.

Then we have GB’16 with the same basic scene. It’s horrible. The camera work makes you think of a Disney channel tween sitcom. 2 fixed cameras. Left and Right. All dialog cuts back and forth constantly. Left to right. Flat profile head shots. The scene has no depth. (In contrast the original Ivan Reitman scene has almost no cuts. It is one continuos camera shot, done in one take.) What makes it worse is there is no consistency in the cuts. The actors are teleporting all over the place from line to line. It’s horribly obvious. The scene informs nothing. It tells us nothing about the characters. And it is cluttered with inane expositional dialog. It’s like a film school case study in how not to do it. Most porn has better camera work. It was clearly shot by someone who had no idea how to use a camera beyond “point it at the actors and wait for the funny to happen”. In watching the movie you quickly realize that nobody has ever taught Paul Feig that cameras can move.

The original film closely follows the rules of Chekov’s Gun. Everything on screen (save perhaps the ghost blowjob scene that they couldn’t talk Acroyd into letting them cut) has purpose and meaning. Without an ounce of fat. For a weird SciFi Comedy Adventure from before that was a thing, it is remarkably polished, paced and edited. It’s why it stands the test of time so well. They applied good rules of serious craftsmanship to a very silly subject. And got something remarkable as a result. The reboot just tried to copy shit without understanding it. Thus it failed miserably.

 

[CatParty]

No one gives a fuck about Captain Marvel.

I think the current marvel system does have people caring. Since all the movies are intertwined and part of a bigger narrative you’ll have people there just for the brand if not to see how it plays into the next film. No one gave a shit about ant man and it did well for itself. Not to mention, iron man was a b-level hero at best before the mcu.

 

[StoneKnightMan]

to quote James Rolfe from Cinemassacre

"to me, the franchise officially ended with the death of Harold Ramis"

and i agree to that. the franchise ended with ramis' death, but the SJWs in Hollywood didn't care and wanted to shamelessly use the franchise to make money off of it with Ghostbusters 2016.

but if the 2020 ghostbusters is an official sequel to the other movies, then i might give the movie a chance, as long as it stays true and close to the originals.

 

[Bork Laser]

I think the current marvel system does have people caring. Since all the movies are intertwined and part of a bigger narrative you’ll have people there just for the brand if not to see how it plays into the next film. No one gave a shit about ant man and it did well for itself. Not to mention, iron man was a b-level hero at best before the mcu.

Guardians where like c-level almost d-level and Marvel made people care about about them. Enough so that it was a surprise hit. Nobody may gave a shit about those characters in the comics but Marvel has made people care about them when they decide to make a movie about them.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

to quote James Rolfe from Cinemassacre

"to me, the franchise officially ended with the death of Harold Ramis"

and i agree to that. the franchise ended with ramis' death, but the SJWs in Hollywood didn't care and wanted to shamelessly use the franchise to make money off of it with Ghostbusters 2016.

but if the 2020 ghostbusters is an official sequel to the other movies, then i might give the movie a chance, as long as it stays true and close to the originals.

I've always liked James Rolfe. I gained a huge amount of respect for him when the media absolutely went for his jugular after he said that he wouldn't watch or review the movie. Despicable things were even said about his wife at the time.

James didn't respond to a damn thing that was thrown at him. Didn't apologize, didn't bite back. In fact, one of the next videos he posted was something about Ghostbusters 3 (a video concerning the original cast). Dude just kept doing his thing unapologetically, didn't take any bait, and acted as if none of the awful things they said about him ever happened. Didn't give those assholes the time of day.

What a class act and a major boss.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

Just leave Ghostbusters dead. Let the videogame be the sequel. Let us have 'The Real Ghostbusters' cartoon. Let sleeping dogs lie. Because otherwise I have to hear the media why the entire world hated their bought and paid for darling without understanding in the real world, you don't get a participation trophy. That and its just going to get fucking ruined anyway.

Let them both fail. Maybe some magic will happen and everyone will realize its not men or women, its the quality of the film.



I'll tell you why ignore the new one: It failed. Here, in the real world, you don't get participation trophies because you tried. When you fuck up on the magnitude of losing Sony over half a billion dollars, you're fucking fired. You're done. Nobody talks about you in a fond way. Security escorts you off the lot and tosses your shit in the street. Everyone who survives the gigantic shit-storm slumps back in their chairs and exhales, trying hard as fuck to forget you even exist.

In short, you fucked up. Nobody likes you except your few low level friends who would get fucking fired if they spoke your name. And nobody likes those guys either.



Nigger, you failed. Nobody liked your movie. It wasn't funny. It wasn't interesting. It wasn't innovative. It made people want to die. Everyone except the press, who Sony had to shell out fucking cash money to like, enjoyed it. Every critic treated it like they were wearing glass shoes while every movie goer dragged that shit's face in glass. People felt relieved that Harold Ramis was dead so he didn't have to witness the abomination or embarrass himself for a check. Bill Murray was forced to do it at gunpoint.

No one liked your shit. You don't get a participation trophy because you have a vagina. You probably don't even have a career anymore because you won't shut your nigger mouth about it. Notice how not a one of the other stars opened their fucking mouth? You know why? Because they're smart enough to know they lost 500 MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS on a film and nearly killed Sony studios. And here you are, acting like a dumb nigger who doesn't understand shit. Good job on breaking out of those stereotypes.

The only people who liked it were people who were only interested in it because the stars were all women. These were the same ones I saw who claimed that they went to see it multiple times and how they brought friends because they were hoping that it'd make more money.

At one point I remember them being so desperate that there'd be posts telling others to see it more than once if they liked it to the point where they even said "buy a ticket for Ghostbusters but see another movie if you aren't into it."

 

[Chester Rigby]