Culture Patreon’s Ban on “Anime” Art - War on Anime Intensifies

Patreon Is Being Asked to Ban Child Rape Animators — 37,000+ Have Signed the Petition

Anime content is being banned on Patreon now too, allegedly..

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Patreon's coming for everyone now.

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Where should Patreon draw the line?
Patreon is a great platform for creators, especially those with strong, loyal fanbases that want to directly support artists. Musician Jack Conte and developer Sam Yam are the founders of Patreon, and the concept was created because creators were getting stiffed by low-paying platforms like YouTube.

But they’re also getting censored, de-monetized, or de-emphasized if they don’t comply with the rules of YouTube, Facebook, or any other platform. Now, Patreon is being asked to issue its own set of policies around certain kinds of content.

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Patreon’s creators are extremely varied. YouTube videographers, writers, webcomic artists, podcasters, musicians, and many other creative types connect with targeted audiences through Patreon. And the system is simple: the creators can receive funding directly from their fans, or patrons. They can be paid on a recurring basis or per work of art.

The result? Many artists and creators feel that they are able better express themselves and get paid while doing so. In fact, more than a million active users and 50,000 monthly active creators make Patreon a seriously popular solution for artists. At present, Patreon estimates a staggering $150,000,000 is earned by artists on their platform annually.

Sounds great, except some fringe artists are attracting a lot of negative attention. Journalist Vonny Leclerc first discovered something disturbing: a ‘no pornography’ policy by the company wasn’t being enforced. That started the ball rolling.


+ Sorry, You Can’t Fund Your Fetish Porn Site on Patreon Anymore

Patreon has already clamped down on fetish porn site creators, though shocked onlookers are noticing something far more extreme.

Horrific acts of child rape depicted in animation.
Many of these artists are defending their right to create animations depicting child rape, torture, and other activities. Of course, actually doing these acts is completely illegal, but what about drawing it?

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These artists also say they’re creating works for patrons that are demanding it. And it turns out that patrons have been requesting all sorts of pervasive acts from creators. These now include horrific acts of child rape, personalized abuse fantasies, and acts of violence.

Lecler says it’s gone too far. “There are more and more violent, hyper-realistic animations being uploaded all the time,” he shared. “I wondered who had the time, now I can see people are making a living out of creating animated rape and snuff films.”

Lecler says Patreon is not only ignoring these activities, they are encouraging them.

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More than 37,000 thousand people have signed the petition demanding that Patreon stop people from selling child abuse animations through their platform.
The petition has been gaining steam, with more than 10,000 signatures arriving in the past 24 hours. Care2Petitions is hosting this particular protest.

According to the petition, this actually goes way beyond child rape illustrations. It also includes artwork of brutal killings, eye-gouging, other forms of rape… the list goes on. Lecler says one prominent artist is earning over $20,000 a month depicting extreme violence.

Here’s a quick excerpt of the petition page:

This is so many levels of disturbing: that these men can make it without caring, and that others buy it. Patreon is helping facilitate the creation of personalised abuse fantasies. One person [I found] is making $20,000 plus a month making adult games. Many making serious bucks.

What does it tell us about society, about sex and capitalism, that the most lucrative animation careers can come from made-to-order pornography? If you want to understand the things men wish they could do to us, look at the porn they create when they don’t have to use real women.

Patreon is being used to fund realistic animations of rape, eye-gouging, torture. Home-invasion when young women are shot in the face and then raped. @Patreon know about this. What’s being done? I can find hundreds of accounts making this kind of content.”


So where should Patreon draw the line?
Technically, this artwork isn’t illegal — at least in the United States. A picture depicting extreme violence may be extremely distasteful, but an artist has the right to create it. Once that crosses into depicted child pornography, however, a judge may have to decide.

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Another legal counter-argument relates to the actual harm done. If patrons and artists exist in an insular environment, one free of actual crime, it’s possible this group is merely acting out gruesome fantasies without dragging people into them. Some of the artwork in question violates Patreon’s pornography policy, though not all of it does.

+ Less Than 2% of Content Creators on Patreon Earn Monthly Minimum Wage

If that artwork is connected to actual crimes — or worse, if it’s depicting real events — then there’s a much different level of enforcement that’s needed.

Now, Patreon is undoubtedly going to be forced to respond — and make tough decisions that balance the broader interests of the community.

More as this develops.

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This ban on anime art is just going to lead to Westernized art/cartoons getting banned and expelled from their site as well, if it hasn’t started already. Plus didn’t anyone learn anything when Sargon Of Akkad was banned and no one bothered to do anything about it?
 
It makes me remember this line from ED that says something like "we can obviously assume the Japanese are giant pedophiles ..." That always cracked me up for some reason.

By the standards of left-wingers, though, if "Wuhan Coronavirus" is rayciss, shouldn't "anime is CP" be grounds for #canceling?
 
If Patreon really is banning all anime artwork, even if it's SFW, that is fucked up.

Hopefully this is just some overzealous dangerhair jannies overstepping their bounds and not the entire company bowing down to payment processors. If it's the former, then Patreon could in theory give those cat ladies the boot and readjust and clarify their policies when it starts hurting their profitstoo much.

If it's the latter, then we're fucked.
 
while "loli" is pretty.... ew..... It is just a drawing. It isnt actually hurting anyone. whatever. this stuff isnt my cup of tea, but i dont like censorship.

Worst part is that it's not just loli, but they may be going after all anime style artwork. Even SFW stuff.

SJW's seem to have this irrational hate boner for anything drawn in an anime style, even if it's not pornographic.

But they love Steven Universe and capeshit, and a lot of SJW's are also furries...so I think the cat ladies are projecting too much.
 
If Patreon really is banning all anime artwork, even if it's SFW, that is fucked up.

Hopefully this is just some overzealous dangerhair jannies overstepping their bounds and not the entire company bowing down to payment processors. If it's the former, then Patreon could in theory give those cat ladies the boot and readjust and clarify their policies when it starts hurting their profitstoo much.

If it's the latter, then we're fucked.
Credit card companies themselves have been leaning on Patreon to censor their platform for a while now. The Rubicon has been crossed. There is no going back.
 
Credit card companies themselves have been leaning on Patreon to censor their platform for a while now. The Rubicon has been crossed. There is no going back.

But why go after all anime?

I can understand going after loli or even hentai in general, but to target any anime artwork period is just insane. If they were banning loli, it'd be reasonable. Hell, banning all hentai would even be fine if it's meant as part of a wider ban of NSFW material on the platform.

But banning all anime artwork regardless of context or content is just insane and irrational.

Are Disney and Warner Brothers afraid of anime having another boom period and then derailing their capeshit gravy trains or something?

The only reason why I could see the payment processors going after all anime artwork and not just the porn is because Disney and AT&T are lobbying the payment processors to kill any and all competition, and since manga is outselling Marvel and DC and Birds of Prey bombed at the box office while the MCU seems to be finally stagnating....maybe Disney and WB are behind this?

I know it sounds insane, but it's the only reason I can think of why payment processors would lobby for a blanket ban of all anime artwork instead of just banning the pornographic stuff.
 
Sakimi-chan on suicide watch:
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Keep in mind this is a screenshot I took in 2017, and Patreon started allowing people to begin hiding their income shortly after so they probably made more in 2019/2020.
 
But why go after all anime?

I can understand going after loli or even hentai in general, but to target any anime artwork period is just insane. If they were banning loli, it'd be reasonable. Hell, banning all hentai would even be fine if it's meant as part of a wider ban of NSFW material on the platform.

But banning all anime artwork regardless of context or content is just insane and irrational.

Are Disney and Warner Brothers afraid of anime having another boom period and then derailing their capeshit gravy trains or something?

The only reason why I could see the payment processors going after all anime artwork and not just the porn is because Disney and AT&T are lobbying the payment processors to kill any and all competition, and since manga is outselling Marvel and DC and Birds of Prey bombed at the box office while the MCU seems to be finally stagnating....maybe Disney and WB are behind this?

I know it sounds insane, but it's the only reason I can think of why payment processors would lobby for a blanket ban of all anime artwork instead of just banning the pornographic stuff.
I would not be surprised at all if industry giants like Disney or Marvel were conspiring to shut down there competition.
 
With how badly other nerd circles have been infiltrated by the woke crowd, it was only a matter of time until they went after anime. Current comics, tabletops and Magic are brimming with sjw shit right now. (I shit you not, yugioh and pokemon are the only TCGs not effected.)

They've been trying for years without success to warp the industry from Japan. Only to be told to "Fuck off" by Japanese creators. Going after fanart is a pretty easy first step. Don't be suprised at all if this is only the first wave.

It's fucked because it can lead to whole genres effectively dying out. Look at the gritty sword and sorcery Conan-esque stuff. Where both men and woman killed, fucked, and fought ancient evils. It's basically on life support right now.

I wouldn't be too worried yet. I mean, look at Shounen Jump, its as mainstream as manga can get in the west, and 80% of the artists featured, even now, drew weird ass shit. Food Wars drew porn, Chainsawman did incest, the dude who drew Muhyo and Roji now draws porn, his series still got a season 2. They don't give a shit unless its mha and the japanese holocaust.

MiA got a uk theater release, they're doing fine.
 
It makes me remember this line from ED that says something like "we can obviously assume the Japanese are giant pedophiles ..." That always cracked me up for some reason.

By the standards of left-wingers, though, if "Wuhan Coronavirus" is rayciss, shouldn't "anime is CP" be grounds for #canceling?
the Japanese are Honorary whites and created a genre that isn't filled with ugly garbage pail big mouth gender kids, so it must be put to a stop in the name of diversity and equality.
 
The thing with Patreon is, it’s an incredibly simple service. Literally all it is is booking monthly payments, providing a line of communication between creators and patrons, and some organizational/convenience tools for creators to manage their patrons.

This is a double-edged sword - on one hand, anyone can make a Patreon clone with relatively few resources, unlike say a video hosting or social media site. On the other hand, because the model is so simple, it’s exceedingly difficult to actually IMPROVE on the base feature set of Patreon, so any potential competitors will find it difficult to convince creators to switch to a new, untested platform that offers no real benefits.

They literally hit a goldmine by being the first to market with a nearly-untopplable business model, and now they’re going to kill themselves by actively pushing customers towards alternatives that they would never have bothered to use otherwise.


that's where you are wrong buddy ...

the real business isn't the "service" it's getting and maintaining banking licenses and complying with various money laundering regulations etc. That's the hard part. In fact a few startup companies that I worked for, realized a few years later that banking licenses alone worth way more than stupid ideas they wanted to provide. Ability and track record of moving money around the world is hard part, no thanks to "market-capitalism" Getting the licenses isn't a straightforward process in different locales either, it's very much influenced by direct or indirect state corruption, so to everyone who says that these companies like Patreon are "private companies" who can do what they want: you are full of shit.
 
Article: One Angry Gamer- Billy D
PATREON BANNING CONTENT CREATORS FOR “JAPANESE STYLE” ART
Posted on March 13, 2020, 1:00 am By Billy D
Patreon Japanese Anime Ban
Patreon has ramped up their bans, going from nuking fringe fetishes to prohibiting mods for games like Koikatsu Party and Emotion Creators, and now banning lewd depictions of Japanese-style anime characters for looking like “minors”.
Twitter user Bob BQ posted a message from a content creator named Waero, who informed his audience that he will no longer be able to provide art in a Japanese anime-style because Patreon deemed it a depiction of sexualizing “minors’. His account is currently down for “maintenance” at the moment as he removes links from his Patreon account to accommodate the requests of the Trust & Safety department.
An image from the post was made available to public on March 12th, 2020.

Bob BQ@bbq_bq

https://twitter.com/bbq_bq/status/1238152877022957569

What the fuck is this shit??? #anime is basically all under age now #patreon? Do you not think for one moment that this is totally lacking any common business sense? If you don't want to do business with independent creators, just come out and say it.
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If you’re unable to view the text in the image, it reads…
“Hi everyone. Due to the recent notification from Patreon, I am working with the official staff to adjust the content these days. So the user will be suspended for a few days until the correction is completed, but don’t worry, this pause is only temporary.

“This time Patreon officials strictly deal with two things:
1. Restriction and pressure on minors (Japanese style)
2. Restrictions and pressure on external websites

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1. Regarding the first point, basically all Japanese styles can be said to be out. As long as you are Japanese style, even if the character has a big breast, the official said that it will be classified as a minor, so I had to delete 90% of the articles on Patreon.

Although this adjustment does not affect the rewards you ultimately receive, it will be a bit regrettable that you cannot directly see the update in advance on Patreon, and I will try to improve this later. (For example, look for other platforms to showcase these works.)

2. Regarding the second point, the official said that it would check your Patreon traffic source and confirm whether there is any illegal content. If there is illegal content, then it will also be used to limit your Patreon business.

“For example, if your Twitter or Pixiv has a Japanese-style suspected underage type work, Patreon will prohibit you from placing a link to Pixiv on Patreon, and you will also be prohibited from placing a link to Patreon on Pixiv. Is considered a violation. Because of this, I have no removed all links and asked users to search for “Waero Patreon” or “Waero Gumroad” to ensure that the source of the traffic cannot be traced.

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Since it will take me a lot of time to adjust the above content, it may take a few more days for Patreon to resume normal operation, and I may release the latest news of the creation in other ways in the future. After Patreon resumes operations, a new article will be posted to announce the relevant details.

“I will continue to complete the animation update this month, and the reward will still be sent normally every other month.” [sic]
[Update:] Waero also followed up with a tweet and a message from Patreon further explaining the company’s position on “Japanese-style” drawings.

WAERO@Waero_Re

https://twitter.com/Waero_Re/status/1238408555507539968
Replying to @bbq_bq

In my country, we are used to calling some anime styles Japanese style.
It may mean something else in other countries, but you should know what style it is.

Not necessarily Loli, and neither big butt nor big breasts is a criterion.

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If you’re unable to read the message in the image, it states…
“Some details like a big head, big eyes, and short height can make the characters look younger.

“And, regarding body development, having bigger breasts and larger hips makes the viewer understand that the character is not a child, but they can still be teenagers under the age of eighteen as a lot of women have those puberty transformations at a very young age.

“In order to make them look like adults, the face is the most important part – so even if it’s a stylish option to make your characters look innocent and sweet, you should always bear in mind that this also makes them look younger.

“I understand you might question our point of view on this subject, but I can guarantee you that I consulted with my team before contacting you, and it is consensual among us that the characters I asked you to remove look like teenagers under the age of 18.”
This isn’t some plea for attention or a troll.
Other Japanese artists also chimed in to note they received similar messages.
Kakuume, a female artist, corroborated Waero’s announcement about Patreon cracking down on anime-style drawings. Kakuume shared a message that her Patreon had to be closed because they determined that it wasn’t just loli characters that were deemed to be minors, but all anime characters looked like minors.

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But it didn’t end there.
Patreon is putting Japanese artists through purity tests and demanding access to all their online art stashes to ensure that they aren’t making money on delivering art to patrons that contain characters they’ve determined to be “minors”.
As invasive as it sounds, the details were laid out by Kakuume over on the Baragg.net fork.
A Centrist™ tried arguing that Patreon was just axing loli content from the platform, but Kakuume shared an image from Patreon’s staff, asking for access to her Google Drive to verify none of the images violated their terms of service. She also pointed out that some of the characters contained large boobs and were obviously not lolis, but Patreon still considered them to be in violation of their TOS.
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If you’re unable to read the text in the image, they state…
“Hi there,

“There’s still a lot of o links where you haven’t allowed access. Please allow access to all the links already shared via private messages – not only the ones that we requested via Google Drive.

“Please, fulfill my request in the next 24h or I’ll have to place a temporary suspension on your account until we have the assurance that the content you’re sharing is within our community guidelines.

“Update as requested and let me know when you’ve done so.”
So basically Patreon is going through all associated links and web storage services to ensure that Japanese artists aren’t allowing people to view lewd images and contribute to their Patreon account.
For those of you who don’t remember, Patreon monitors users’ off-site content, and will hand out bans based on what they say, write, or do on other social media services. Content creators such as Mister Metokur, Sargon of Akkad, and the Straight Pride organizers all had their accounts banned for ideological reasons.
Even those who didn’t share or engage in politics, were targeted for creating content that Patreon’s staff didn’t like, which is why they targeted Lewd Logistics and made it known they would be shutting down his account because they stated his art depicted acts of a non-consensual nature.
Many are saying that this move from Patreon will result in them going the way of tumblr.
So far there doesn’t appear to be an official rule about “Japanese-style” art in their terms of service, but expect them to keep banning or enforcing censorship of content on the grounds of “exploiting minors”, which is what Valve’s software curators did to ban anime-style games they didn’t like.
Some Centrists™ are already running to Patreon’s defense, claiming that they’re only banning artists and art that “exploit minors” while completely ignoring the fact that it’s all fictional characters and they have no real ages. So basically every anime character depicted in a lewd manner could be considered a “minor” according to Patreon’s Trust & Safety division.
One of two things will happen: Patreon will either renege if they receive enough public backlash, or they will double down and start purging Japanese artists from the platform, not unlike when Twitter came down on artists for lewding lolis.
Some users are already suggesting Japanese artists move over to SubscribeStar or New Project 2.
(Thanks for the news tip Tim at Where)
 
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