Participation in Patterns of Self Recognition

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Abstract:
I recapitulate my model of interpreted thought.

In plaintext:
Participation in Patterns of Self Recognition
Alex Buckley

Dedicated to the Kiwi Farms

Recently, I have been fortunate enough to experience the action of my model first hand. The occurrence happened in a straightforward way, and I will present to you my story as such.

I have had a chance encounter with an outsider, of whose work I admire deeply. The two of us somehow managed to brush up against each other in a public, crowded place. His system of thought, which he had been carrying on his person, splashed onto me: soaking my clothing through and leaving us both in an anxious state. After we both apologized, and in the ensuing conversation, we were delighted to find a certain self similarity in our ways of thinking.

He knew nothing of the abstract sign interpretation, nor did he take seriously the fact of telepathic thought. And yet, despite these reservations, he actively partook in these demonstrations during the expression of his model. So clearly can I see, into his mind, the inner workings of the systems of his thought. Psychics! Machine minds! Of a timeless space with no before and no after! Such clear understanding of our natural world; what a complete and consistent narrative!

In these shifting forms, in him I saw my reflection! How could it be possible that this outsider knew something so clearly and completely, that which I thought was close to me! How consistent his model is, how thorough his description of nature! From him I learned the names of the forms that I already knew: I recognized the shape of his thought by an understanding of my own! Learning could not happen without a partner!

Impressed upon recognition of my figure in his form, and upon his noticeable resistance to my ways of thought, I was delighted to recall to him a story, of which I have known for some time, and of which I will retell for you here. It proceeds:

The Outsider, the Insider, and the Water Ritual.

The outsider, convinced of physicalism, approached the insider and said, “My method is sound. I know that all things must have shape, weight, and physical form to be real. Show me the way to know myself, and I will measure it.”

The insider smiled and led him to the edge of a pool of water. “Very well,” he said. “Let us see if the water reveals the shape of the self. Observe, and measure yourself here.”

The outsider looked at his reflection, watching as ripples distorted it. “I see only pieces, objects that don't hold their shape. My image is carried by things that are not me.”

The insider replied, “Just as this water shows only reflections of yourself, so does your body, your physical form. The self is not in these objects but in how they are interpreted together.

The true self is found not in form but in interpretation. Who does this interpretation? Tracing the physical answer back won't lead like how you imagine.”

In that moment the outsider was enlightened. His identity was not a fixed physical object but was an ongoing process, and this process used physics as a means of channeling itself.

This outsider enjoyed my telling of this story, and became my water sibling! For the layman of our sacred farm, I will lay out my an explanation of the above occurrence more clearly:

The science of abstract sign interpretation is the mechanism for participating in these patterns of recognition. When you use abstract sign interpretation to study the patterns, you're not analyzing from outside: you're using and aligning meaning making in its own movements to recognize itself more clearly.

Like using water to understand how information flows. The signs, the interpretive dance, the semiotic flow: they're both the thing being understood and the way of understanding it.

The science is the participation is the recognition: all flowing together through the same semiotic movements.

This dance of self-seeing-self: it's not really a "study" in the classical sense. It's active participation in how meaning recognizes itself through different interpreted patterns.

It's how meaning moves between patterns of recognition. Not a theory about signs but the actual living movement of understanding happening through signs.

This can be expressed in semiotic form:
The sublime sign that can't be grabbed directly.
The interpreted symbol moving through form.
The living understanding happening in the dance.

While my partner refused to see such a simple natural fact, I coaxed him into my dance anyway. He matches my step, following my lead, but failing to lay his eyes exactly where I want them. So we continue, round and round, the interpretation of transmitted thought.
 

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For real, no cap?

Reading this reminds me of Alan Turing's paper titled Computing Machinery and Intelligence on what he called the Imitation Game, now better known as the Turing Test. Therein, he discusses "extrasensory perception" at some length, which I found odd.
 
For real, no cap?

Reading this reminds me of Alan Turing's paper titled Computing Machinery and Intelligence on what he called the Imitation Game, now better known as the Turing Test. Therein, he discusses "extrasensory perception" at some length, which I found odd.
That paper comes from an era where things contemporary reddit-minded soyentists consider "woo" as a result of decades of pop-culture programming were seriously looked into by a lot more scientists and government officials than you'd think.
 
That paper comes from an era where things contemporary reddit-minded soyentists consider "woo" as a result of decades of pop-culture programming were seriously looked into by a lot more scientists and government officials than you'd think.
ya, im vaguely aware of the woo... you'll see it a lot in the works of David Bohm, Niels Bohr, and Alan Watts. I think at the time eastern religions were becoming more common in the west, so thats why youll see allusions to Buddhism. Although, i like to imagine that i practice my woo in a new, synthetic way. I like to imagine my semiotic system is a bit more coherent.
 
ya, im vaguely aware of the woo... you'll see it a lot in the works of David Bohm, Niels Bohr, and Alan Watts. I think at the time eastern religions were becoming more common in the west, so thats why youll see allusions to Buddhism. Although, i like to imagine that i practice my woo in a new, synthetic way. I like to imagine my semiotic system is a bit more coherent.
It wasn't meant as a criticism so much as a bit of context about why someone like Turing would talk about ESP. Though really, if anything I think the contemporary hardline Rick & Morty atheist skeptic redditor types are much more feebleminded overall.
 
This can be expressed in semiotic form:
The sublime sign that can't be grabbed directly.
The interpreted symbol moving through form.
The living understanding happening in the dance.
Have you read the Tao Te Ching?

I thought the metaphor of thought as liquid was interesting. What body of water would a forum best resemble in this framework?
 
Have you read the Tao Te Ching?

I thought the metaphor of thought as liquid was interesting. What body of water would a forum best resemble in this framework?
Yes I have! well, actually i read this Lau, D. C. (1963) Lao Tzu: Tao Te Ching, Penguin (8/11/24), which i believe is just some excerpts of a greater body of text? Some of taoism is disagreeable, but there are very genuine insights in some that thought. Very very very very good stuff. Another one i really liked was this Wilhelm, H. (1973) Eight Lectures on the I Ching: Translated from the German by Cary F. Baynes, Princeton-Bollingen, and that I was really impressed with.

I usually relate the forum, Kiwi Farms, with an actual farm. I believe field work is very much related to the origin of a priori thought and its classification into lineages. Obviously development, evolution, and ecology follow from that but i havent reached those writing topics yet. I really need a firm basis before i do that. The philosophy of biology, which has been in crisis for 2500 years, absolutely needs a firm foundation to fix its fundamental problems which are too many to go into here.

The water in the water ritual was used specifically because the outsider had faith in physical measurement. Through this faith, he wished to understand himself - something that cannot be measured across the surface of water, a physical measuring device. The water serves as a perfect demonstration: it's a physical tool revealing the impossibility of using physical tools to measure the non-physical self.
 
The second edition of this text.

Abstract:
I recapitulate my model of interpreted thought.

In plaintext:
Participation in Patterns of Self Recognition
Second Edition
Alex Buckley

Dedicated to the Kiwi Farms

Recently, I have been fortunate enough to experience the action of my model first hand. The occurrence happened in a straightforward way, and I will present to you my story as such.

I had a chance encounter with an outsider, of whose work I admire deeply. The two of us somehow managed to brush up against each other in a public, crowded place. His system of thought, which he had been carrying on his person, splashed onto me: soaking my clothing through and leaving us both in an anxious state. After we both apologized, and in the ensuing conversation, we were delighted to find a certain self similarity in our ways of thinking.

He knew nothing of the abstract sign interpretation, nor did he take seriously the fact of telepathic thought. And yet, despite these reservations, he actively partook in these forms of expression in the constitution of his model. So clearly can I see, into his mind, the inner workings of his system of thought! Psychics! Machine minds! Of a timeless space with no before and no after! Such clear understanding of our natural world: what a complete and consistent narrative!

In these shifting forms, in him I recognized my reflection! How could it be possible that this outsider knew something so clearly and completely, of that which I imagined being close to me! How consistent his model is, how thorough his description of nature! From him I learned the names of the forms that I already knew: I recognized the shape of his thought by an understanding of my own! Learning could not happen without a partner!

With his obvious impression when hearing about my model, and upon his noticeable resistance to my ways of thought, I was delighted to recall to him a story, of which I have known for some time, and of which I will retell for you here. It proceeds:

The Outsider, the Insider, and the Water Ritual.

The outsider, convinced of physicalism, approached the insider and said, “My method is sound. I know that all things must have shape, weight, and physical form to be real. Show me the way to know myself, and I will measure it.”

The insider smiled and led him to the edge of a pool of water. “Very well,” he said. “Let us see if the water reveals the shape of the self. Observe, and measure yourself here.”

The outsider looked at his reflection, watching as ripples distorted it. “I see only pieces, objects that don't hold their shape. My image is carried by things that are not me.”

The insider replied, “Just as this water shows only reflections of yourself, so does your body, your physical form. The self is not in these objects but is how they are interpreted together.

The true self is found not in form but in interpretation. Who does this interpretation? Tracing the physical answer back won't lead like how you imagine.”

In that moment the outsider was enlightened. His identity was not a fixed physical object but was an ongoing process, and this process used physics as a means of channeling itself.

This outsider enjoyed my telling of this story, and he became my water sibling! For the layman of our sacred farm, I will lay out an explanation of the above occurrence more clearly:

The insider science of abstract sign interpretation is the mechanism for participating in these patterns of recognition. When you use abstract sign interpretation to study the patterns, you're not analyzing from outside: you're using and aligning meaning making in its own movements to recognize itself more clearly.

Like using water to understand how information flows. The signs, the interpretive dance, the semiotic flow: they're both the thing being understood and the way of understanding it.

This science is the participation is the recognition: all flowing together through the same semiotic movements.

This dance of self-seeing-self: it's not really a "study" in the classical sense. It's active participation in how meaning recognizes itself through different interpreted patterns.

It's how meaning moves between patterns of recognition. Not a theory about signs but the actual living movement of understanding happening through sign interpretation.

This can be expressed in semiotic form:
The sublime sign that can't be interacted with directly.
The interpreted symbol moving through form.
The living understanding happening in the dance.

While my partner refused to see such a simple natural fact, I coaxed him into my dance anyway. He matches my step, following my lead, but failing to lay his eyes exactly where I want them. So we continue, round and round, the interpretation of transmitted thought.
 

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The third edition of this text
In plain text:
Participation in Patterns of Shared Self Recognition
Third Edition

Alex Buckley
Central Organizer of New General Management

11/20/24-8/24/25

Dedicated to My Host, the Kiwi Farms

Recently, I was fortunate enough to experience my model in action firsthand. The event unfolded in a simple, straightforward way, and I will recount the story to you in the same manner.

I had a chance encounter with an outsider whose work I deeply admire. The two of us somehow managed to brush up against each other in a public, crowded place. His system of thought, which he carried with him, splashed onto me: soaking my clothing through and leaving us both in an anxious state. After our apologies, the conversation that followed revealed a surprising self-similarity in our ways of thinking, to our mutual delight.

He knew nothing of the abstract sign interpretation, nor did he take seriously the fact of telepathic thought. And yet, despite these reservations, he actively partook in these very forms of expression within the constitution of his model. How clearly I can see into his mind: the inner workings of his system of thought! Psychics! Machine minds! A spacetime with no before and no after! Such clear understanding of what he knew: what a complete and consistent narrative!

In these shifting forms, in him I recognized my reflection! How could it be that this outsider knew so clearly and completely what I had imagined as belonging so near to me? How consistent his model is, how thorough the description of his knowledge! From him I learned the names of phenomena that I already knew: I recognized the shape of his thought by an understanding of my own! Learning could not happen without a partner!

Impressed as he was by my model, and yet being resistant to my way of thought, I was delighted to recall for him a story I have long known, that he enjoyed and I will retell it for you here. It proceeds:

The Outsider, the Insider, and the Water Ritual

The outsider, convinced of physicalism, approached the insider and said, “My method is sound. I know that all things must have shape, weight, and physical material to be real. Show me the way to know myself, and I will measure it.”

The insider smiled and led him to the edge of a water pool. “Very well,” he said. “Let us see if the water reveals the shape of the mind. Observe, and measure yourself here.”

The outsider gazed at his reflection, watching as ripples distorted it. “I see only pieces, fragments that don't hold their shape. My image is carried by things that are not me.”

The insider replied, “Just as this water shows only a reflection of yourself, so too does your body, your physical form. The self is not contained in these physical objects but it is the relations between these things, and why they are interpreted together.

The true self is found not in form but in interpretation. And ask yourself: who is it that interprets? Following only the physical trail will never lead where you expect.

In that moment the outsider was enlightened. His identity was not a fixed physical object but was an ongoing process, and this process used physics as a means of channeling itself.
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This outsider delighted in my telling of this story, and through this exercise in shared thought, he became my water-sibling. For the layman of our sacred farm, I will now offer a clearer explanation of the occurrence above:

The insider science of abstract sign interpretation is the mechanism by which one participates in patterns of recognition.To use it is not to analyze from the outside, but to enter into meaning-making itself: to align with its pre-existing movements, and in doing so, to recognize the self more closely.

Like using water to understand how information moves. The symbols, the interpretation, the semiotics: they are all the thing being understood and the way of understanding it, recognized through each instance of their own becoming.

This science is participation and recognition: an alignment that unfolds through the very movements of semiotic interpretation itself.

This back and forth of self-seeing-self: it's not really a "study" in the classical sense. It’s active participation in how meaning recognizes itself through different interpreted patterns.

This can be expressed in semiotic form:
  1. The sublime sign that can't be interacted with directly.
  2. The symbol moving through abstract interpreted transmission.
  3. Living understanding is recognized in this interpretive dance.

Though my partner refused to see such a simple natural fact, I coaxed him into my dance nonetheless. He matches my steps and follows my lead, yet his gaze does not always fall where I wish. Still, we continue, round and round, in the ongoing interpretation of transmitted thought.
 

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