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Really good movie. The first 5 minutes are rather boring, the actual movie starts 10 minutes in.
I hated the slum people, the upper class family got ruined by them, but then it goes to show the dynamics of a "parasite", where one can't live without the other. So my take is "poor people are scum."
As I said over in the Oscars thread, what's the point of an American remake? Parasite's a big hit here in the States, which is a rarity for foreign language movies to begin with. American remakes are typically made because foreign language movies are more of a niche thing so they just remake it to appeal to the American mainstream audiences and make money. Parasite already appears to be making a splash in the mainstream, so this is just pointless.
I think the film was good, but the reaction kind of reminds me of when Train to Busan came out.
Kind of like an ‘oh, look at the Koreans doing so well on their own’ thing. I really liked both movies, but I think Hollywood wouldn’t care about them nearly as much if they were made by whitey.
I love the film and could not be more disgusted that they're already turning it into a fucking series. It's like giving birth to a baby and immediately selling her to a man who marries her, or something. You can't wait?!
You would have to be pretty stupid to watch the film and get any sort of "anti-capitalist" message from it. It's a lot more nuanced than that, in my opinion.
The movie isn’t really about rich vs poor. The family is lower-middle class. They may be currently stuck in the lowly job of folding pizza boxes, but they are middle from cultural or social sensibility. The family may not be sophisticated, but the members aren’t bumpkins either. Also, the discovery of the basement folks creates another layer of economic/social status. The poor below the "poor".
How come the family won't seek regular employment? This is where class sensibility trumps. The family would rather hide and remain "poor" while folding pizza boxes behind closed doors than come out in the open and work at "lowly" jobs (that in S. Korea are given to foreigners with less "pride"). The family has a bougie mentality and would rather dream of latching onto the rich than work at regular jobs that are associated with lower status. They are so enamored of the ideal of fancy job and social dignity that it’s noble work or bust for them. They want Da Good Job or nothing. If they need money, they’d rather do some makeshift work than find work that's beneath them. After all, the family can always spin it that folding pizza-boxes is just temp work. It doesn’t really define them. It’s just something to do to make ends meet before they find something really worthy of their kind.
The movie is if anything an indictment on the same global order that gives us Woke Capital and the same types who LARP as if they live in Franco's Spain. Bong's work getting the praise it has can be addressed as either a bribe or an attempt to virtue signal (saying they totally "get it" as they live in their gated communities and binge on Netflix).
theyre poors, not middle class, below working class. i get why people hark on the anti capitalism angle but its just a movie about conniving poors who prey on the rich with twists and turns.
Now that it's getting a wider release post-Oscars, I went to see it with my friend today. I had already seen it before a few months ago, so I got to watch it with a new perspective.
I'm glad that it holds up on repeated viewings, it was just as entertaining the second time through. As @Sayon pointed out, anyone who tries to distill it to a basic "rich vs. poor" conflict is missing out on a lot of the nuance, like the varying ways the families contrast with each other. The rich family is artificially nice ("they're nice because they're rich"), putting on appearances to mask their problems from the world, as well as hiding them from each other, in a way. The poor family is honest among themselves and only lie when they're around the rich family.
I also noticed more of the foreshadowing the second time through. Can't get into that without spoilers, so:
It was easier to notice when the rich family talked about how the poor family smelled, especially the dad. My first time watching it, I didn't notice that when Mr. Park turned over the body of the basement squatter to get the keys, he visibly recoiled at the smell, and that was what finally drove the dad over the edge to kill him.
But it really wasn't just that, nor was it just the build-up of the smell comments. Jessica had been stabbed in the chest and was bleeding out, yet he didn't seem to notice her, calling out instead for the keys so he could take his son (who'd only fainted) to the hospital. The revulsion at the squatter's smell was the last straw, but his lack of care for his dying staff is a much higher contributing factor.
But again, the rich family isn't portrayed as bad or evil, it's not nearly so heavy-handed. They just live in a totally separate world from the lower classes. The help is the help and not much more than that. My friend has worked for rich people before, and he said that's pretty spot-on. Also spot-on with how particular they can be about things being done a certain way (Mr. Park's comments about "crossing the line").
With regards to the ending, at first glance it seems kind of hopeful, but I think it's actually more melancholy. After learning that his dad escaped to the basement, Kevin writes a letter back to him where he states his intention to go to school, get a good job, and make enough money to buy the house so that the family can reunite. Even though it's shown to be a dream sequence with the last shot, it still makes you hope that everything will work out in the end.
However, think back to when they were in the shelter after the flood. When Kevin asks him about what he intends to do about the basement squatters, the dad makes the comment, "You know what plan never fails? No plan at all." And if you look at the entire movie, that's true. All of their plans fail eventually, whether it's replacing the existing staff with their entire family (they end up dead, on probation, or basement-squatting) or Kevin's plan to kill the squatters (a good case of brain trauma). With that in mind, now that Kevin has made a plan, the movie's logic dictates that it too will fail. That's probably realistic considering the prospects for someone convicted of various crimes getting into a good school and landing a high-paying job to buy an expensive home are pretty low.
There were a few other people in the theater with us. A couple sitting next to me (fucking psychos, there was basically the whole theater they could have sat in) left five minutes in because apparently they didn't realize they were watching a foreign film. When it was over, I overheard one guy say "that was like something I could've seen on Netflix, nothing special," and another woman said that she didn't know what to think about it. Like, I don't wanna be that guy and be like "you just didn't get it," but it sure feels like they didn't. I did hear plenty of laughter in the first half, so I think they must have enjoyed it somewhat at least. My friend loved it, and we might see it again if we feel like it.
With regards to an American remake...fucking god no. This is probably one of the more accessible high-profile foreign films to come out in quite some time, a remake is wholly unnecessary. I can only imagine how much they'll hit you over the head with a "rich people bad" message, delivered ironically by a bunch of overprivileged Hollywood actors.
But it really wasn't just that, nor was it just the build-up of the smell comments. Jessica had been stabbed in the chest and was bleeding out, yet he didn't seem to notice her, calling out instead for the keys so he could take his son (who'd only fainted) to the hospital. The revulsion at the squatter's smell was the last straw, but his lack of care for his dying staff is a much higher contributing factor.
I honestly find that particularly scene perfectly sympathetic and reasonable
The kid didn't just pass out, he's straight up convulsing and in genuine danger. Any parent, regardless of economic status, would completely disregard any stranger dying if it means getting a few more seconds for his or her own child.
Also Moon-Gwang's husband has been living in a literal basement for fucking years. The motherfucker must reek ten thousand times worse than any filthy public transportation-dependant plebian.
I honestly find that particularly scene perfectly sympathetic and reasonable
The kid didn't just pass out, he's straight up convulsing and in genuine danger. Any parent, regardless of economic status, would completely disregard any stranger dying if it means getting a few more seconds for his or her own child.
Also Moon-Gwang's husband has been living in a literal basement for fucking years. The motherfucker must reek ten thousand times worse than any filthy public transportation-dependant plebian.
That's wholly fair. It's part of why I really enjoy the film, every character's motivations and actions can be understood. You can pick up on the subtleties that come back into play later on and see how it all comes together in the end.
Also I'm like 90% sure Trump's just shitposting as usual. I think he really couldn't give a rat's ass about what movies won Oscars, which is frankly what we all should do.
