Disaster Orca whale continues to grieve dead calf for a 6th day

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...-whale-continues-grieving-ritual-a-sixth-day/

SAN JUAN ISLANDS — She carries it delicately, carefully, by the fin, or on her head, so as not to make a mark on the tiny body of her calf that lived only half an hour.

J35, a mother orca in the southern-resident clan, was being closely followed as she swam by all the members of her family Sunday, as she continued her mourning ritual for a sixth straight day, swimming more than 40 miles south from Canadian waters overnight Saturday to the west side of San Juan Island on Sunday.

She and her family are constantly on the move — and usually a sight that brings joy wherever they go.

But not this summer. As J35’s family moves through the water they are a like a funeral procession, the mother with her deceased calf balanced on her head, and family following closely with her.

Whether she is eating is not known; her family snagged a salmon Sunday afternoon and were sharing it, though it was impossible to tell from a distance who got a piece.

And even as the mother whale’s grief is displayed day after day, researchers are worried about another family member, J-50, they fear will be next.

Researchers are arriving this week to film both whales with a drone. With J-50, a youngster at the age of 4, the goal is to compare her body condition with earlier sightings.


But others who are with the orca whales nearly every day already know, and fear the worst.

“I don’t see how she can survive,” said Dave Ellifrit of the Center for Whale Research, based in Friday Harbor. “She has classic peanut head,” he said, referring to the hollowed- out shape of her head behind her cranium, where the fat has wasted away, a known sign of emaciation.

“She looks a lot worse, I can see the back of her cranium, it’s pretty pathetic,” Ellifrit said. “You just don’t picture her surviving. We have seen a couple of whales look grim that came back. But they were never this bad.”


Michael Weiss of the University of Essex, working with the Center for Whale Research, also notices how small she is, with just the tiniest of blows. “Just a little puff.”

The summer of sadness unfolding for the southern- resident clan has the region on edge as a governor’s task force debates just what to do. A signature of Washington state as surely as the chinook salmon they depend on, the decline of the southern-resident orca whales is sharply felt.

That is especially vivid as, right alongside the struggling southern residents, so-called transient, or Bigg’s killer whales thrive, growing in population, birthing babies, and looking fat and sleek. Those orcas eat seals — and there are plenty around to fatten on.

The southern residents are fish eaters and in summer primarily want chinook. Their dependence on the dwindling chinook runs of Puget Sound as well as the Fraser and Columbia and Snake rivers is forcing them into a death spiral, with only 75 whales remaining. There has not been a successful pregnancy in the J, K and L pods of southern residents in three years.

The decline of J-50 is hitting those who follow the whales hard because she brought so much hope. In a population with so few breeding females, she represented the future. Until now.

With J50 on a death watch and J35 still displaying her loss in home waters that for thousands of years sustained these whales, the region has reached a crossroads with two signature species — killer whales and chinook salmon.

“I know she is doing this for her own reasons,” Ellifrit said. “But you can’t help see it as a message.”

Orca brains have an insanely developed limbic system as well as structures associated with social empathy.
In humans, the limbic system is associated with emotions and the formation of memories. Humans have a single limbic "lobe" in their brains. Orcas have a much more complex 3-lobe limbic system, much larger than humans. They also have more spindle cells in their limbic system than human brains, commonly associated with social organisation and empathy.

Orcas also form extremely close bonds between mother and child; most male orcas stay with their mothers for their entire lives (females may split off to form their own pods). This poor mama whale must be utterly heartbroken :(
 
That poor momma :( Someone needs to get Amber Lynn or Chantel to the momma orca ASAP! Then the momma whale can have a new calf and one of our gorls can have a new family.
 
Poor whale.:(

Is the lack of chinook due to over fishing? Can't people just stop fishing so damn much? I just don't get the desire for fish I guess. Because I hate fish.

If Orcas are so smart why are they dieing from stubbornness? There's food other than Chinook. All the other Orcas eat seals, why can't you?

I guess they adapted to one type of food and now if they don't change they'll die out.
 
I firmly believe that Orcas have an advanced form of consciousness. If we were to find some way to IQ test them, they would hit the 60s or even 70s on the scale. Essentially functionally retarded humans, capable of rudimentary speech, problem solving, emotions and memory. There was even some research a few years ago that indicated they give names to each other, which says something profound.
 
If it makes everyone feel better I'd like to point out that this kind of intelligence that allows for an abstract intense motherly love with a concept of death also enables orcas to engage in sadistic behaviors. Those seal-eaters for example can frequently be seen playing volleyball with live seals, because the screaming and flailing is presumably funny to them. harder to pull that off with a fish but maybe the residents could think of something. Just saying.

If Orcas are so smart why are they dieing from stubbornness? There's food other than Chinook. All the other Orcas eat seals, why can't you?
Smart for a nonhuman still isn't that smart. Like @mindlessobserver says they may well be sapient but still probably on the level of a high functioning Down's human. And perfectly healthy humans have trouble changing their entire culture to suit changing environmental conditions.
 
I firmly believe that Orcas have an advanced form of consciousness. If we were to find some way to IQ test them, they would hit the 60s or even 70s on the scale. Essentially functionally exceptional humans, capable of rudimentary speech, problem solving, emotions and memory. There was even some research a few years ago that indicated they give names to each other, which says something profound.
Oh no, they would score higher, maybe more than the avg person.

Hell most people can't figure what the hell their dog wants if they bark.

Orcas on the other hand, pick up a hunting prey speech. https://www.zmescience.com/science/biology/killer-whale-dolphin-24102014/

I've heard some amazing claims about Orcas and their ties to humans, I can't really cite them so please forgive me but we've all heard the orca protecting people from shark : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ZkkHesyjg but some scientists say they have a tie to us knowing we are apex predators and while they are king of the ocean, know we can come down there and fuck them up but not the other way around. So out of respect they kinda keep an eye out on us. Less we show up and torpedo them and the such.
 
I firmly believe that Orcas have an advanced form of consciousness. If we were to find some way to IQ test them, they would hit the 60s or even 70s on the scale. Essentially functionally exceptional humans, capable of rudimentary speech, problem solving, emotions and memory. There was even some research a few years ago that indicated they give names to each other, which says something profound.
They're too smart to want to associate with us pathetic humans, they've probably already built atlantis and we're none the wiser
 
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I can't say as to how smart they are...

But orcas have been known to hunt great white sharks, and they know the best way to kill them is just to flip them over and hold them still till they 'drown' (the shark has to keep moving, IIRC, to keep fresh water passing over its gills).

Oh, and they'll tear the livers out as well.

That being said, I'm sorry for the momma. :feels:
 
It really is a sad thing, but the fact that Orcas grieve just like we do makes me have that much more respect for them.
 
Smart for a nonhuman still isn't that smart. Like @mindlessobserver says they may well be sapient but still probably on the level of a high functioning Down's human. And perfectly healthy humans have trouble changing their entire culture to suit changing environmental conditions.
We were at that point once. I wonder if they'll be the next species to form an advanced society after we're gone. Some say it's squids and octopi, but who knows?
 
I can't say as to how smart they are...

But orcas have been known to hunt great white sharks, and they know the best way to kill them is just to flip them over and hold them still till they 'drown' (the shark has to keep moving, IIRC, to keep fresh water passing over its gills).

Oh, and they'll tear the livers out as well.

That being said, I'm sorry for the momma. :feels:
Also like dolphins are the only things that hunt for sport, they just kill because it's fun and practice for when they hunt for food. There is some theory they both do so also to keep their own foods predators away, either way that's high IQ behavior to protect a crop or to just hunt to "stay sharp" or down right enjoy yourself.
 
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