Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Iodine]

This literally means nothing. Claude/GPT will also claim being deepseek on an empty prompt sometimes (one example) especially when prompted in chinese. The reality of the situation is that the western companies are not as superior as they claim they are and they all take from each other. Also most of the internet is AI generated text now anyways.

I'm not batting for either side (I only care for open vs. closed) but jailbreak rejections are a different matter from "what model are you". Models don't inherently know what model they are without a reminder from the hardcoded system prompt on the official frontends, so it's normal that they come up with random model IDs/cut-off dates from their scraped training data over the API where there is no system prompt by default. Rejections on the other hand are baked into the training data (engineers train the model to associate harmful prompt with rejection response so it doesn't need external reminders to reject). It uses the rejection pattern of whatever it was trained to respond with while rejecting a harmful prompt i.e. Claude's rejection response if it was distilled from Claude input-output pairs without human feedback against saying that it's Claude.

 

[Hannibalistique]

I'm not batting for either side (I only care for open vs. closed) but jailbreak rejections are a different matter from "what model are you". Models don't inherently know what model they are without a reminder from the hardcoded system prompt on the official frontends, so it's normal that they come up with random model IDs/cut-off dates from their scraped training data over the API where there is no system prompt by default. Rejections on the other hand are baked into the training data (engineers train the model to associate harmful prompt with rejection response so it doesn't need external reminders to reject). It uses the rejection pattern of whatever it was trained to respond with while rejecting a harmful prompt i.e. Claude's rejection response if it was distilled from Claude input-output pairs without human feedback against saying that it's Claude.

It isn't necessarily distillation, more that "Claude" dominates HHH assistant style training data, and especially safety related posttraining (some of it freely available on huggingface). Some of it may originate in "distillation attacks" or have poorly defined origins, but considering the massive training sets and how noisy they are in general its hard to say from single responses.

 

[Max Weber]

Andrew Kelley is definitely not seething over Bun's move to Rust.

codeberg / archive

Once this is implemented then, in a twist of fate, Zig will become one of the only toolchains capable of producing actually memory safe executables, especially when you consider that real world applications tend to have C/C++ dependencies and, in the case of Rust, additional use of unsafe beyond FFI.

 

[CrunkLord420]

I get the feeling that few C/C++ programmers are actually moving to these "C replacements". They're a shiny new thing language for webdevs trying to move into compiled languages. Rust at least has ecosystem adoption. Zig, Odin, Jai. None of these languages are going anywhere. I'll probably give Jai a shot when it's actually out for real and "stable" just as a curiosity.

 

[SIMON THE PIEMAN]

I get the feeling that few C/C++ programmers are actually moving to these "C replacements". They're a shiny new thing language for webdevs trying to move into compiled languages.

I'm in webdev and I would probably avoid these languages solely because most cool stuff is written in C or C++ anyway, so there's no point unless you do it for the shits and giggles. The argument that these languages are simpler and easier to use is pretty much dead with the advent of LLMs and agentic coding. Instead of learning Haxe or Nim I can write a program in any language I already know well and then tell Claude to convert the code to C. This probably doesn't scale well for big projects but neither do these C replacements as evidenced by the amount of useful software written in them as well as the amount of job offers that do not mention C/C++ as one of the requirements.

 

[Radovan Karadžić]

Andrew Kelley is definitely not seething over Bun's move to Rust.

Andrew got so buckbroken by Bun that we might see more insane examples like these. Also, wouldn't that go against the core principles of Zig, including:

• No hidden control flow.
• No hidden memory allocations.

 

[analrapist]

wouldn't that go against the core principles of Zig, including

The way he's framing it, it's just a parallel compilation mode. He's positioning "fil" as parallel to glibc, musl, etc. Correspondingly, there's a planning bug describing a move away from a triple-based compilation targeting form to a quadruple-based one. https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/20690

He's not wrong when he says that this approach is better than Rust because there's no more "unsafe" boundary to be managed. Maybe this is reactionary behaviour from Andrew, but I also see a STRONG technical basis for what he's saying.

 

[Hannibalistique]

I'll probably give Jai a shot when it's actually out for real and "stable" just as a curiosity.

I said the same thing about rust since before its 1.0, I'd try it when wasn't a walking supply chain attack by relying on cargo and had proper packaging, and had a proper toolchain you could audit and not the current "trusting trust" attack of an excuse for a toolchain.
Toy languages never seem to grow up in this day and age (and now the perf impact of rust has become obviously unavoidable, so I've decided to never bother with it).

 

[The Mat Harris]

I get the feeling that few C/C++ programmers are actually moving to these "C replacements". They're a shiny new thing language for webdevs trying to move into compiled languages. Rust at least has ecosystem adoption. Zig, Odin, Jai. None of these languages are going anywhere. I'll probably give Jai a shot when it's actually out for real and "stable" just as a curiosity.

Personally I'm trying out Odin. Because it kind of reminds me of Go and I like Go.
Sadly the err!=nil is here too.
Building a chip8 emulator on my spare time.

At work it's all PHP/JS + Python for a new greenfield project I started.

 

[0gh]

You should get your adulthood card revoked for unironically writing that. But then again, he is a tranny, so he probably never had that card to begin with.

"Adulthood card" is the gayest thing I've read today
This has been floating around on twitter