On The Trump-Russia Connection/Collusion - How much stock do you put in that story?

How much do you support that story?

  • Strongly Believe

    Votos: 3 2.9%
  • Solidly Believe

    Votos: 2 1.9%
  • Weakly Believe

    Votos: 5 4.8%
  • Neutral

    Votos: 12 11.4%
  • Weakly Disbelieve

    Votos: 11 10.5%
  • Solidly Disbelieve

    Votos: 30 28.6%
  • Strongly Disbelieve

    Votos: 42 40.0%

  • Total de votantes
    105
It seems like the hope with the investigation is too find any shady thing Trump has done and the media will run with it if the Russia thing falls through. See the piss dossier that was in media a while back. I think if you were to take any major politician and investigate them thoroughly I guarantee you you'll find any number of shady dealings.
 
Wasn't the Russian "interference" in the election just a bunch of fucking Facebook ads? Other than that I heard about Trump's family doing business in Russia since way before he ever ran for president. But other than that I haven't actually heard anyone give examples of what Trump supposedly did, just vague bullshit about Russian hackers and "cyber warfare", whatever that is supposed to mean. There's tons of articles and information about the actual investigation, but digging through all of it I haven't actually seen anyone come out and define what exactly Trump/the Russians are being accused of. That leads me to believe the whole thing is bullshit from the top down. Residual paranoia from the Cold War generation if I'm giving the benefit of the doubt, aimlessly slinging shit at the wall to see what sticks if I'm being less generous.
 
Wasn't the Russian "interference" in the election just a bunch of fucking Facebook ads? Other than that I heard about Trump's family doing business in Russia since way before he ever ran for president. But other than that I haven't actually heard anyone give examples of what Trump supposedly did, just vague bullshit about Russian hackers and "cyber warfare", whatever that is supposed to mean. There's tons of articles and information about the actual investigation, but digging through all of it I haven't actually seen anyone come out and define what exactly Trump/the Russians are being accused of. That leads me to believe the whole thing is bullshit from the top down. Residual paranoia from the Cold War generation if I'm giving the benefit of the doubt, aimlessly slinging shit at the wall to see what sticks if I'm being less generous.
It was like $100,000 in ads across several years before and after the election, for things completely unrelated to politics.

They're digging for anything remotely related to Russia and will use anything to try and get outrage over it.
 
I watched Dan Bongino's speech on YT a few months ago. I've listened to his hour long radio show every day since. I totally believe in what Dan has put forward, and he says that the Russian Collusion hoax is a Clinton/DNC fiction made up to cover for things Hillary Clinton has done.

I never paid any attention to Russian Collusion before, because it just instantly came across as bullshit, but since I've started listening to Dan I've really got hooked into it.
 
Victor Davis Hanson has a very good article on this thing. While reading the article, the following cartoon came to mind.


https://www.mcny.org/sites/default/files/who-stole-the-peoples-money1.jpg




He Did It, Not Me!
By Victor Davis Hanson| May 19th, 2019

There is something Kafkaesque about the current round of investigating possible FBI, CIA, National Security Agency, Justice Department, and National Security Council wrongdoing during the 2016 election, Trump transition, and early presidency.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller had been permitted to range well beyond his mandate of “Russian collusion.” He outsourced much of the selection of his “dream team” and “all-star” staff of attorneys to his deputy, Andrew Weissman. In turn, Weissman—who commiserated with Hillary Clinton at her ill-fated “victory” party on the evening of her defeat—stocked the team with Trump-haters, liberals and progressives, Clinton donors, a few who had previously served as attorneys for the Clinton Foundation, and Clinton or Obama aides. Most of these were themselves briefed during the early dissemination of the fraudulent Steele dossier.

Yet after all the bias, prosecutorial leveraging, the process crimes, the perjury traps, and after 22 months, $34 million, and a 440-plus page report, Mueller’s “hunter-killer” team did not establish that President Trump colluded with the Russians to warp the 2016 election.

In fact, Mueller could not find prosecutable “obstruction” of justice by Trump to impair the investigation of what Mueller concluded was not a crime.

The Wolves Turn On Each Other

Now we turn to the real unspoken question: how did it happen that the top machinery of the U.S. government meddled in an election, and sought to sabotage a presidential transition and early presidency?

Note well: none of the leveraged targets of Robert Mueller turned state’s evidence to accuse Donald Trump of “collusion,” the object of the special counsel’s investigation, although to have done so would have mightily helped their cause and given them John Dean iconic status among leftists. In contrast, we have scarcely begun to investigate wrongdoing at the intelligence and justice departments and already the suspects are fingering each other.

James Clapper, John Brennan, and James Comey are now all accusing one another of being culpable for inserting the unverified dossier, the font of the effort to destroy Trump, into a presidential intelligence assessment—as if suddenly and mysteriously the prior seeding of the Steele dossier is now seen as a bad thing. And how did the dossier transmogrify from being passed around the Obama Administration as a supposedly top-secret and devastating condemnation of candidate and then president-elect Trump to a rank embarrassment of ridiculous stories and fibs?

Given the narratives of the last three years, and the protestations that the dossier was accurate or at least was not proven to be unproven, why are these former officials arguing at all? Did not implanting the dossier into the presidential briefing give it the necessary imprimatur that allowed the serial leaks to the press at least to be passed on to the public and thereby apprise the people of the existential danger that they faced?

Why would not they still be vying to take credit for warning President Obama that Donald J. Trump was a likely sexual pervert, with a pathological hatred of Obama, as manifested in Trump’s alleged Moscow debauchery—a reprobate who used his subordinates to steal the election from Hillary Clinton and who still must somehow be stopped at all costs?

That entire bought fantasy was the subtext of why Mueller was appointed in the first place. It was the basis for the persistent support to this day among the media and progressives for the now discredited notion of “collusion.”
If our noble public servants really believed all that to be true, would not Comey and Brennan instead now be arguing that each, not the other, was bold and smart enough to have included the seminal dossier into a presidential briefing? Comey in public still insists that the dossier is not discredited, though in all his sanctimonious televised sermons, he never has provided any details that support the supposed veracity of Steele’s charges. Why then is Comey not demanding that the FBI take credit for bringing this key piece of intelligence to Obama’s attention rather than fobbing off such an important feat to the rival CIA?

Why, for that matter, are Andrew McCabe and James Comey at odds?

The commonality of their respective sworn testimonies has been that Trump was and remains a danger to the republic—to the extent that McCabe admittedly staged a comical coup attempt and Comey committed a likely felony in leaking to the media classified documents that had memorialized his versions of his own confidential conversations with the president.

Why, given their protestation of innocence and their cry-of-the-heart leaking to save us, would not McCabe and Comey be heaping praise on each other, as each tried to outdo the other in pursuing extraordinary measures to end the clear and present danger of Donald Trump?

McCabe has testified that the dossier was the anchoring evidence that the FBI presented to the FISA court. Comey denies that fact. But once more why would they disagree? And why would they be at odds over supposedly noble leaking to the press?

McCabe claims Comey allowed him to leak gossip and rumors about Trump’s culpability; Comey says he did no such thing. But should not both still be bragging that they had the guts to seed the dossier and related confidential information to the media to the stop the national threat of Donald Trump?

We know that Comey has no intrinsic objection to scattering classified information, because he has bragged that he did just that after his firing to help appoint a special counsel. We know in addition that McCabe has no problem with divulging confidential information because to the media he has accused Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, in a confidential conversation, of volunteering to wear a wire in hopes of entrapping the President of the United States at some incriminating moment.

For the Good of the People?

Why again are McCabe and Comey pointing fingers at each other as leakers and purveyors or ruinous gossip, when both have admittedly leaked and are apparently proud of it, reasoning that they did it for us, the people, in our moment of peril from our president whom the people elected?

Why are McCabe and Rosenstein at odds? The former says the latter was willing to record stealthily his conversations with Trump in an effort to remove him, the latter says it was a joke and that McCabe engineered such a discussion. But why the disconnect? Both in varying ways have tried to obstruct declassification of government documents that might suggest government overreach under the Justice Department and FBI. Both seem at odds with Trump, both the man and his presidency. Why then are not each vying with the other for the greater credit of nearly engineering a coup to remove an existential threat like Donald Trump, a supposedly legal act under their allegedly mutually referenced application of the 25th Amendment?

These are rhetorical questions because we know the answers: our top officials at the DOJ, CIA, FBI, and NSC, as well as James Clapper as director of national intelligence, likely broke federal law, betrayed their agencies, and in general acted in an abjectly unethical manner on the premises that 1) Hillary Clinton would be the next president and their behavior would be rewarded; and 2) in the aftermath of her defeat and after Trump became president, that Trump could either be removed or so discredited that their own prior illegality would either never come to light or would be contextualized as noble resistance.

Until election night, they seemed to have been correct in their assumptions.

Given the subsequent serial efforts of #TheResistance to remove or destroy president-elect and President Trump—the suits to overturn the voting in three states, the attempted subversion of the Electoral College voting, the efforts to invoke the Emoluments Clause, the Logan Act, and the 25th Amendment, the early impeachment vote, the recusal of Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the Mueller investigation, and the brouhaha over Stormy Daniels, the Trump tax returns, Michael Cohen and Michael Avenatti—these officials still believed that their prior behavior would either eventually be praised or at least excused. But they bet foolishly against the viability of Trump.
The appointment of William Barr as attorney general has sobered the lawbreakers, and perhaps soon the media, which may not wish to go down the drain with their erstwhile FBI and CIA speaking-truth-to-power heroes.
No longer are Brennan, Clapper, Comey, and McCabe along with a host of others insisting that they acted nobly. No longer are they in solidarity in their defiant opposition to Donald Trump.

Now, for the first time, they are pointing fingers at one another, because they have come to realize that their prior criminality may not be rewarded, praised, or even excused, but rather prosecuted.

And so in response, we now hear: “He did it, not me!”

https://amgreatness.com/2019/05/19/he-did-it-not-me/



Ladies and gentlemen, get your programs and get your scorecards, because shit's getting real! Fuck those assholes! I want Clapper in jail! - JS
 
I came to believe this story because it hints there is Russian influence in the global internet culture, and that has implications about me during the absurd Phobos-Grunt episode, Gamergate, Koncorde's crusade of documenting me and my bans, and the absurd Mortal Engines movie episode. The Red-Brown coalition, or a Left-Right alliance, is clearly responsible, as does Kiwi Farms, 4chan, Wikipedia and 8kun.

What does Putin thinks of me? If not, why don't you tell Putin?!

Koncorde is BatteryIncluded ally, and like BatteryIncluded/Rowan Forest, are allies/useful idiots of Vladimir Putin.

 
I'll say this. To me, Hillary had the election in the bag. Likability and e-mails notwithstanding, that woman had most of the media clamoring over her, a career record in politics, and everyone was looking at Trump as if he was the meme candidate with a declining rep and horrid optics.

This whole collusion nonsense is projection, seeing from how figures in the US government were working to keep Trump out and crush his campaign, even when they didn't even see him as anything big, just a problem as wouldn't shut up about e-mails, Benghazi, etc.

It was right there for her, but too bad.
 
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