Omegle has shut down

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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” — C.S. Lewis

“In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” — Douglas Adams

Dear strangers,

From the moment I discovered the Internet at a young age, it has been a magical place to me. Growing up in a small town, relatively isolated from the larger world, it was a revelation how much more there was to discover – how many interesting people and ideas the world had to offer.

As a young teenager, I couldn’t just waltz onto a college campus and tell a student: “Let’s debate moral philosophy!” I couldn’t walk up to a professor and say: “Tell me something interesting about microeconomics!” But online, I was able to meet those people, and have those conversations. I was also an avid Wikipedia editor; I contributed to open source software projects; and I often helped answer computer programming questions posed by people many years older than me.

In short, the Internet opened the door to a much larger, more diverse, and more vibrant world than I would have otherwise been able to experience; and enabled me to be an active participant in, and contributor to, that world. All of this helped me to learn, and to grow into a more well-rounded person.

Moreover, as a survivor of childhood rape, I was acutely aware that any time I interacted with someone in the physical world, I was risking my physical body. The Internet gave me a refuge from that fear. I was under no illusion that only good people used the Internet; but I knew that, if I said “no” to someone online, they couldn’t physically reach through the screen and hold a weapon to my head, or worse. I saw the miles of copper wires and fiber-optic cables between me and other people as a kind of shield – one that empowered me to be less isolated than my trauma and fear would have otherwise allowed.

I launched Omegle when I was 18 years old, and still living with my parents. It was meant to build on the things I loved about the Internet, while introducing a form of social spontaneity that I felt didn’t exist elsewhere. If the Internet is a manifestation of the “global village”, Omegle was meant to be a way of strolling down a street in that village, striking up conversations with the people you ran into along the way.

The premise was rather straightforward: when you used Omegle, it would randomly place you in a chat with someone else. These chats could be as long or as short as you chose. If you didn’t want to talk to a particular person, for whatever reason, you could simply end the chat and – if desired – move onto another chat with someone else. It was the idea of “meeting new people” distilled down to almost its platonic ideal.

Building on what I saw as the intrinsic safety benefits of the Internet, users were anonymous to each other by default. This made chats more self-contained, and made it less likely that a malicious person would be able to track someone else down off-site after their chat ended.

I didn’t really know what to expect when I launched Omegle. Would anyone even care about some Web site that an 18 year old kid made in his bedroom in his parents’ house in Vermont, with no marketing budget? But it became popular almost instantly after launch, and grew organically from there, reaching millions of daily users. I believe this had something to do with meeting new people being a basic human need, and with Omegle being among the best ways to fulfill that need. As the saying goes: “If you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door.”

Over the years, people have used Omegle to explore foreign cultures; to get advice about their lives from impartial third parties; and to help alleviate feelings of loneliness and isolation. I’ve even heard stories of soulmates meeting on Omegle, and getting married. Those are only some of the highlights.

Unfortunately, there are also lowlights. Virtually every tool can be used for good or for evil, and that is especially true of communication tools, due to their innate flexibility. The telephone can be used to wish your grandmother “happy birthday”, but it can also be used to call in a bomb threat. There can be no honest accounting of Omegle without acknowledging that some people misused it, including to commit unspeakably heinous crimes.

I believe in a responsibility to be a “good Samaritan”, and to implement reasonable measures to fight crime and other misuse. That is exactly what Omegle did. In addition to the basic safety feature of anonymity, there was a great deal of moderation behind the scenes, including state-of-the-art AI operating in concert with a wonderful team of human moderators. Omegle punched above its weight in content moderation, and I’m proud of what we accomplished.

Omegle’s moderation even had a positive impact beyond the site. Omegle worked with law enforcement agencies, and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, to help put evildoers in prison where they belong. There are “people” rotting behind bars right now thanks in part to evidence that Omegle proactively collected against them, and tipped the authorities off to.

All that said, the fight against crime isn’t one that can ever truly be won. It’s a never-ending battle that must be fought and re-fought every day; and even if you do the very best job it is possible for you to do, you may make a sizable dent, but you won’t “win” in any absolute sense of that word. That’s heartbreaking, but it’s also a basic lesson of criminology, and one that I think the vast majority of people understand on some level. Even superheroes, the fictional characters that our culture imbues with special powers as a form of wish fulfillment in the fight against crime, don’t succeed at eliminating crime altogether.

In recent years, it seems like the whole world has become more ornery. Maybe that has something to do with the pandemic, or with political disagreements. Whatever the reason, people have become faster to attack, and slower to recognize each other’s shared humanity. One aspect of this has been a constant barrage of attacks on communication services, Omegle included, based on the behavior of a malicious subset of users.

To an extent, it is reasonable to question the policies and practices of any place where crime has occurred. I have always welcomed constructive feedback; and indeed, Omegle implemented a number of improvements based on such feedback over the years. However, the recent attacks have felt anything but constructive. The only way to please these people is to stop offering the service. Sometimes they say so, explicitly and avowedly; other times, it can be inferred from their act of setting standards that are not humanly achievable. Either way, the net result is the same.

Omegle is the direct target of these attacks, but their ultimate victim is you: all of you out there who have used, or would have used, Omegle to improve your lives, and the lives of others. When they say Omegle shouldn’t exist, they are really saying that you shouldn’t be allowed to use it; that you shouldn’t be allowed to meet random new people online. That idea is anathema to the ideals I cherish – specifically, to the bedrock principle of a free society that, when restrictions are imposed to prevent crime, the burden of those restrictions must not be targeted at innocent victims or potential victims of crime.

Consider the idea that society ought to force women to dress modestly in order to prevent rape. One counter-argument is that rapists don’t really target women based on their clothing; but a more powerful counter-argument is that, irrespective of what rapists do, women’s rights should remain intact. If society robs women of their rights to bodily autonomy and self-expression based on the actions of rapists – even if it does so with the best intentions in the world – then society is practically doing the work of rapists for them.

Fear can be a valuable tool, guiding us away from danger. However, fear can also be a mental cage that keeps us from all of the things that make life worth living. Individuals and families must be allowed to strike the right balance for themselves, based on their own unique circumstances and needs. A world of mandatory fear is a world ruled by fear – a dark place indeed.

I’ve done my best to weather the attacks, with the interests of Omegle’s users – and the broader principle – in mind. If something as simple as meeting random new people is forbidden, what’s next? That is far and away removed from anything that could be considered a reasonable compromise of the principle I outlined. Analogies are a limited tool, but a physical-world analogy might be shutting down Central Park because crime occurs there – or perhaps more provocatively, destroying the universe because it contains evil. A healthy, free society cannot endure when we are collectively afraid of each other to this extent.

Unfortunately, what is right doesn’t always prevail. As much as I wish circumstances were different, the stress and expense of this fight – coupled with the existing stress and expense of operating Omegle, and fighting its misuse – are simply too much. Operating Omegle is no longer sustainable, financially nor psychologically. Frankly, I don’t want to have a heart attack in my 30s.

The battle for Omegle has been lost, but the war against the Internet rages on. Virtually every online communication service has been subject to the same kinds of attack as Omegle; and while some of them are much larger companies with much greater resources, they all have their breaking point somewhere. I worry that, unless the tide turns soon, the Internet I fell in love with may cease to exist, and in its place, we will have something closer to a souped-up version of TV – focused largely on passive consumption, with much less opportunity for active participation and genuine human connection. If that sounds like a bad idea to you, please consider donating to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an organization that fights for your rights online.

From the bottom of my heart, thank you to everyone who used Omegle for positive purposes, and to everyone who contributed to the site’s success in any way. I’m so sorry I couldn’t keep fighting for you.

Sincerely,
Leif K-Brooks
Founder, Omegle.com LLC
 
because of an entire generation having a negative association with it.
i mean even when it and chatroulette started it was just a live streaming version of a shocksite. Everyone had negative associations with it, but much like horror films, thats what made it good. For every perv there was easily a few good chats. And honestly i'm sure plenty of underage people were using it to experiment with their sexuality. Literally two different female youtubers this year has been canceled for videos of them using omgele and asking clearing underage kids to do some sexual stuff like twerking or showing their underwear or other clearly inappropriate shit.

This reminds me of how every socialist defended Bernie's "women want to be raped" essays by going "it was the 70s dude everyone was saying crazy shit like that" like yeah Omegle was a perv hangout but sometimes you made real connections. Its like how playgirl was just a gay porn mag but evryone pretended it wasn't and that some women were buying it. shutting down Omegle for CSM is like shutting down Playboy for obscenity, no one really was "just reading it for the articles"

Not that i'm supportive of that but Omegle should have stayed up despite its connotations for the same reason we don't go after "escorts" despite us all knowing what those people are really doing. People really do enjoy these interactions and if it just happens to sometimes intersect with child sex stuff, oh well. Teenagers are extremely horny all the time, snapchat literally started to take advantage of the fact they want to show off their bodies to anyone practically.

Maybe its because we're getting less permissive in society but this shit isn't going to stop, these kids need an outlet and will find one. case in point this early viral video
it was a viral hit, even the daily show was doing segments on it. And maybe its because i'm quite the lib when it comes to intersectionality but blacks, jews, indians, and spics normalize this sex shit a lot earlier than 18 too and taking down omegle means these teens are most 'ffected by it.
8th graders view discord as pedo central, and the people on it as weird
they must be reading kiwifarms, that website constantly tells people discord is a pedo hive full of weirdos.
for the year 2016 out of all years
it was the last year before the censorship on youtube and normie sites really hit. i remember when reddit shut down completely any news on the San Bernadino shooting, reddit used to literally be the front page of the internet, within minutes of JLaws nudes leaking her shaking her titties was on the front page for all to see. 2017 they changed the algorithm so badly and the mods have fucked the site so hard that you rarely see major news stories until it hits network tv.
Youtube is similar, people can't even curse without getting demonetized and words like abortion and suicide is basically banned. Again Network tv is more permissive.

Hell from a societial standpoint 2019 is looking pretty nostalgic too, crime rates were a quarter what they are now and shit like the SAT still meant something and niggers didn't have a free pass to do whatever, plus so many places were 24 hours and people still gave a fuck. Now it feels like the mask of work standards have fallen off in a lot of places. Knowing you're fucked if you need to buy anything after midnight sort of puts a damper on fun, no more weed trips to the grocery store or walmart tweaking shopping sprees.

The amount of barely standing resturants that closed down because of covid must be insane. Then obviously there's the housing market drying up last year, and ai hr meaning everywhere is hiring all the time but you never see new workers and how many things are in cases in any major retail location. yeah it would suck being born after 2001.
And once all the extremely expensive proprietary anti-csam filters are mandated by law for all platforms, and as a result, only the richest corporations can run websites, only then will these cp spam bot attacks mysteriously stop.
its just the internet version of that DEF shit truckers need or all the computer bullshit they mandated be in cars. it was a blatant ladder pulling.
. Just don't go there (or let your kids go there) if you're that concerned.
Remember Elsagate? parents demand we destroy mainstream sites because godforbid they don't let their kids do whatever the fuck they want, and everyone gives in despite the under-18 population being at its lowest point than at any time in history.

The old internet died off in 2012-2016 and we're just in the slow process of it transforming to the woke internet.
 
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Hope you're all ready for the future of communication where everything you say is recorded by massive corporations, given to marketing companies for advertise to you, and sent to the government so they can make sure you're being a good boy. You will only talk with people you're allowed to talk with and you shell use words deemed appropriate, lest you be banned. Enjoy the future of society: a world ran by fucking jannies.
 
Shit. I remember when a high school classmate of mine showed this shit to me in like 2012. We basically just trolled retards by calling them dumb niggers and closing chat right after that. In fact, I was thinking about it earlier today while doing some errands. Good times that will never come again. RIP.

Edit: After reading this, I can at least respect the rationale for closing the site even if it does suck. Pedos became rampant on there once video chat became a thing. That was about when I left. Sure they will use something else, but at least they won't have access to kids as easily via the site. Anyways, at least it isn't a gay reason like "racism" or "right wing radicalization" or whatever.
 
Little by little another piece of the once free and open internet is being filled away in an attempt to sanitize the internet for advertisements.

I absolutely loathe the people who wish to censor and remove our ability to speak freely. I miss the days when you didn't need an advertising firm behind you. I hate this new era of the Internet the creativity is being murdered off by hacks who demand six figures for no effort.
Hope you're all ready for the future of communication where everything you say is recorded by massive corporations, given to marketing companies for advertise to you, and sent to the government so they can make sure you're being a good boy. You will only talk with people you're allowed to talk with and you shell use words deemed appropriate, lest you be banned. Enjoy the future of society: a world ran by fucking jannies.
I hate this future I hate it all to hell. I'm supposed to celebrate people cutting their dicks off to deel happy and endlessly validate whores online it's infuriating I want the free and open Internet back again.
 
dammit this gets more and more depressing his closing speech there was gay but everything real everything not fang has been destroyed theres no reason to even own a computer anymore its gotta stop the internet has gone to hell and doomed itself for an eternity
 
they must be reading kiwifarms, that website constantly tells people discord is a pedo hive full of weirdos.

This group was visiting from Bakersfield Ca, One of them knew who EDP was.....when that kid said that I shut up, because fuck if I want some school talking to my boss, I ve said enough edgy shit at work as it is.

Also @Null the kids are pretty fucking based, They try to be edgy by saying how much they hate gay people. I think corporate pushing of pride shit makes the little shits want to push back.
 
Gee, I wonder what kind of problems a site that allows random people to randomly videochat with complete strangers ran into. Was it the unending torrent of cocks being shown to unsupervised children that caused problems?
Remember that it is never the parents fault.
And remember: Expecting the ability to instantly transmit infinite data anywhere in the world to not be given freely to children with no supervision whatsoever is unreasonable.
Children will have internet access, and the internet will be built around them.
 
Omegle was used by several Youtubers and TikTokers around the world either for pranks or entertainment. I wonder where the userbase is going to migrate to?



 
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Reminds me of Hyphonix. Omegle trolling was like his battered wife shelter allowing him to get back on his feet and escape the ice poseidon / oldschool runescape orbit to get 1 mil subs, inspirational.
 
I used Omegle since it's inception, back in the first 3 years it was a genuinely fun place to kill time talking to randos before all the horny retards ruined it. I actually was on it a few days ago, but as usual, it was full of bots and sub 60 iq Indians cruising for poon. I'm not sad at all it's gone, once they killed the "ask a dumb question" part, it was just watching it circle the drain. I never used the video chat part of it, because I knew it was just a bunch of bored horny dudes whacking it. I think I got banned from the site at least 20 times for criticizing batshit lefties and more recently, fragile troons. The mods were all in on reddit tier thought policing after about, oh, 2013.

It's easy enough to find similar sites, just search omegle alternative. There are a shitload of them, so I don't get all the doomer stuff here. If you want to tweak moronic redditors, just use Emeraldchat. I think tinychat is still up too, and that place can (could? I haven't been there in a while) be an endless source of hilarity, because it's also full of clueless retards. I have some fond memories of Omegle, and a bunch of saved chats, but it being finally gone is a good thing in my opinion, especially with what it became.
 
If open source tools to combat the weaponized use of child porn are not made available to small websites, this is the fate of any platform that isn't a billion dollar company.
I thought there was already some big open-source database of hashes of CSAM imagery that sites could run uploaded content against to quickly check for illegal material. Unless I'm wrong on that but then why wouldn't large companies release something like that since it'd actually do some amount of good?
 
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