🤝 Community Omegaverse, Yaoi, and MPreg Fandom Discussion Thread - God help us all

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It's wild to me that there are people who attach their names to the weird fic they write. It used to be an unspoken rule that you just had an online persona and were otherwise anon for the most part. Like even if what you wrote was completely innocent and innocuous it's just one of those things.

Do these "lesbians" bond over their shared mpreg fetish? wtf
 
It's wild to me that there are people who attach their names to the weird fic they write. It used to be an unspoken rule that you just had an online persona and were otherwise anon for the most part. Like even if what you wrote was completely innocent and innocuous it's just one of those things.

Do these "lesbians" bond over their shared mpreg fetish? wtf
The best example of this is an author called prettybadmagic, who I call the Jeffrey Epstein of her fandom. That isn't used lightly. She popularized the "unblooded girl child" comment and even sold her fanfic as an original book with the names swapped - with the original fic still up. She even has a group chat for her "I'm owning the 4chan chuds but the Hispanic is a rapist" story. Link / Archive. The Lulu shop is here. Ironic the pedophile wants age verification for her 4chan race rape play.
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A "dead dove" shotacon talking about a child's "pearl" expresses her jou at buying it:
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I can assure you, none of these people are men.
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Pedophile enabler and serial alcoholic MGCraig showed up:
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If you're wondering what this "discourse" was, it was about a fanzine's ring merch and the size difference in ring size. They wanted their uwu subby bottom to have a Size 4 ring finger.
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She predictably doesn't like radfems views on porn, while she is friends with a pedophile and fries her liver with cheap beer and testosterone.
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Regarding the lesbian Mpreg fetish, it's clear they want dick and fantasize about that virile sperm being pumped into their fertile wombs - actual lines from their AO3, don't shoot the messenger - but look at them. They're Ohio lesbians. They're a degree below (above) JD Vance. Add in their preachy, "I'm infiltrating Moms4Liberty before thrusting my 19 Kids in Sherlock fanfiction " politics and you're set.
 
Sharing this here from the South Park Discussion thread. New season's trailer came out and fujos are out in force saying "This is the year Kyman, and Style will be canon". Also "Can creek kiss already". Honestly, I'm still wondering if Trey and Matt truly backed away from Creek because of fans like these because the last time Tweek and Craig got an episode was almost 10 years ago with "Put It Down".
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Shot:
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Having sex with black women can't even make you bisexual - you're automatically gay.
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Cherry there once got mad last year over JayVik "queerbaiting" when nothing came out of questionable voice lines. She's nowhere to be found when two gay black men are featured for Pride.

And the chaser? It's wrong to assign roles to lesbians in this deleted tweet.
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Unlike JVtwt, the Franchaela fandom had none of this. While the tweet got popular, she buckled under the pressure. But you can assume a guy who fucks black women is gay, though.

I also decided to take a peek at the Byler subreddit, famously known for its media literacy and analysis.
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The classic, "he's a bad boyfriend for the girl, but the soulmate for the boy!"
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Back in March, AO3 user centreoftheselights posted AO3's demographic data. The first time I posted a set like this was in the Fanfiction Horrors thread, but it also has relevance here.

We are told that fanfiction is a white woman's venture, and that fact remains true today; what has changed is the identity of said white women from exclusively being straight white women to being a venture of aromantic, asexual, or queer, who exclusively consumes M/M porn. Their AFAB "rapeholes" (as so lovingly put forward by another trans man) get wet at the same thing. This sample collected data from over 28k people. It can be read in full here. You can compare it to data from 2013, when this data began to be collected, here.

Here is the age range of those who participate in fandom, with the highest numbers in the 16-34 range.
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Here is the LGBT data. In the past, those identifying as 'woman or girl' was higher. The man/boy label is, famously, not answered by actual men.
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It is safe to say fandom is dominated by white AFABs and enbies who also happen to be AFAB.
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Very few actual men, even MTFs, are in fandom. When you do see them, their content is vastly different to what these queer women produce.
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We have bisexual asexuals, mainly from North America, writing gay porn.
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Actual homosexuals are rare.
Bisexuals continue to dominate, albeit these bisexuals notably do not consume F/F content at the rate they do M/M content.
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Here's what you really wanted: the race stats. Despite the gender identity changing over the past decade, the racial demographics have not. While Chinese users use VPNs to participate on the website, and have their own Chinese-language website, Lofter, to post fic, they do not make up a majority of respnses. Whites remain the dominating force on AO3.
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'White + Jewish' could mean those with some Jewish heritage, such as a Jewish father, but do not identify wholly as Jewish (and Jews are not white, for the record). Actual Jews are rare, so AO3 degeneracy really IS a white woman's creation for once. Black users are a notch below South Asians, showing they are left behind in a world where they can be 'legally' excluded (mainly because Blacks don't read that much).

Majority of responses came from North America or Europe. China stronk? Not yet. Atheism was number one, with Christianity coming in second. This explains why there are only 'Catholic guilt' tags and not 'Muslim guilt' (Jews don't feel guilt over their sexual proclivities - they enjoy it).
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Very few Hindus. No one likes Indians, even on AO3.

Another interesting fun fact: on top of being queer, majority of fanfic authors have some form of long term disability. To no one's surprise, a hefty chunk of this including autism.
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Majority spend 7-10 hours a week on AO3.
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What do these autistic females like reading, you ask?
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The bisexual asexuals don't like F/F and like reading about pale males going at it? You don't say. Dudes rock.
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"I don't read fics about women because misogyny is so prevalent in media. Let me just exclusively consume content about men instead, because they're the only ones who I consider full people."
In sum: fandom is dominated by autistic white females, who have a flavour of bisexuality/asexuality to them, the majority coming from North America, all of whom have penis envy. If you don't believe me, here are the May stats for M/M content:
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Hudson Williams, star of many a fujo wet dream, has had a big oopsie.
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Kelowna, where he's from, is "hick town."
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I'm sure Jacob Tierney won't mind because he needs him for the next season.
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Funny to see Marti C there complain about anti black racism when she's a JayVik fan who hates Mel. Some of us are privy to your nigger hate, lass.
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Other photos. This was taken in 2019. His fans came with a community note.
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"It's just not normal!"
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Yeah, neither is this. It's from The Pitt but these fujos walk the same circles. Link / Archive
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"IT'S A MEME, GOD!"
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Something about skinny white guys being headcanoned as trans is activating the almonds.
Other people really don't like how people shut down "heavily hinted" gay ships. The example given? Poe/Finn from Star Wars.
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What have we learned, good people? Fujos don't want niggers in their yaoi, and no one has spoken of Poe/Finn in over a decade. Blacks have no lasting effect in fan culture, full stop.

Woke take: dynamics like enemies to lovers suck ass when het, revolutionary and pure when gay. We have to defeat gender dynamics by exclusively focusing on men and how there simply are no power imbalances between gay men.
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"It doesn't work when it's straight people!"
"Not even for Catwoman and Batman?"
"No"
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Thanks, Viktors pussy destroyer, I'm sure I won't find the woke kind of hetslop in your AO3 bookmarks.
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They jumped her but she's right.
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Defeating misogyny by exclusively writing about pale gay males, let's go!
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"Homosexuals just don't have the same unequal power dynamics as straight people"
Meanwhile you classify them as a top or bottom based on physical characteristics, lmao
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That's exactly her logic.

"Women just aren't written well, therefore I won't write about women at all. Only males are equals to each other."
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They say this while, again, enjoying these dynamics in omegaverse.
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"Only muscular women and skinny men can make this work" and not a single white woman or queer reads it.
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"Pining doesn't work for straight people. Now here's my essay on how my uwu feminine gay boy is a bottom."
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You're not fighting it by excluding women, fujoshit.
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"It's SOOO ASS" and their feed is filled with Narusasu, lmfaoooo

On a lighter note, I haven't seen a proshitter backtrack so fast in real time.
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"There's no child porn there"
"Here's an example of said child porn"
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Yes, someone legit argued this.
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Their politics begins and ends with child porn.

Shot:
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Chaser:
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They do be like that.
 
Fujoshit: "Uuuumm sorry, het ships are problematic unless you do this safe specific dynamic and nothing else. I will antagonize the authors and fans of straight ships unless my demands are met, because they are all evil supporters of patriarchy or whatever. I TOTALLY DO THIS BECAUSE I CARE FOR WAHMEN&SHIT"

WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE:

Fujoshit: "Meh, het is sooo boring. Now excuse me, I shall consooom more of my violent gay porn comics. Huh? Oh, well, when it's two men, you are free to experiment and do any dynamic you want. I just don't want any yuckie str8 women next to my fav twinks, they remind me too much of patriarchy existing, uwu"

Until this creature thinking is openly mocked and eradicated, straight ships will forever be kept down. I hate how fujocunts always use Morticia and Gomez as the example of a straight ship they enjoy, when you can immediately tell... they don't. They don't dedicate a half of their art to them, they don't write fanfics, they don't rewatch the movies or own merch, like they do with the homo ships they are actually interested in.

They APPROVE of it, as some control freak committee, because it checks particular boxes in their minds like "IS THE WOMAN ALWAYS FOREVER IN CHARGE OF A MAN AND HAS THE UPPER HAND IN EVERY SINGLE WAY? BECAUSE IF SHE SHOWS EVEN A SLIGHT VULNERABILITY IN FRONT OF A MAN SHE HAS SEXUAL TENSION WITH WHILE NOT BEING A TWINK NEEDING HUMBLING, THAT'S VERY SEXIST OR SOMETHING".

I have seen this argument so often, that when I see someone use the ship as an example of a "perfect" straight relationship goal, I assume they are probably a fujoshit or a deadbrained wokey.
 
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ColeyDoesThings has a video out on the fanfic-to-published book timeline. While she brings up Twilight fanfics, I found out that "All the Young Dudes," the most popular MLM Harry Potter fic that launched the Wolfstar fandom, will also be published.

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The original:
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She hated TERF queen but will now get rich because of her. Pottery.

Other snippets from the video include Rachel Reid's AO3 account:
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Red, White, and Royal Blue:
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And there was this snippet. I had to laugh given what we know of fandom demographics:
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"BIPOC" only includes Asians. Blacks are 2-5% of fandom. Queer? Sure, but they're all white AFABs, lmao.
 
Fujoshit: "Uuuumm sorry, het ships are problematic unless you do this safe specific dynamic and nothing else. I will antagonize the authors and fans of straight ships unless my demands are met, because they are all evil supporters of patriarchy or whatever. I TOTALLY DO THIS BECAUSE I CARE FOR WAHMEN&SHIT"

WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE:

Fujoshit: "Meh, het is sooo boring. Now excuse me, I shall consooom more of my violent gay porn comics. Huh? Oh, well, when it's two men, you are free to experiment and do any dynamic you want. I just don't want any yuckie str8 women next to my fav twinks, they remind me too much of patriarchy existing, uwu"
I was curious and saw this thread about why gay shipping is very overrepresented in fandoms despite straights being the majority


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Personally, I can agree that sometimes people want something different instead of the same stereotypical traditional ship of "Man saves woman and she's a damsel in distress", but I've noticed that any time a media tries this, you get a group of online weirdos who go "They are so queer coded for a straight couple" and headcanons both of them as some flavor of trans. Its like "What was the point of trying something different if youre just going to headcanon both characters as trans and thus make them queer when its not"? I honestly cant even blame media for this because its a classic case of "Damned if you do, damned if you dont". If a couple is too traditional, its boring. If the couple is too gender non conforming, its queer because fans start headcanoning the characters as the opposite gender as trans.

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Can anyone please explain the power imbalance argument? Sure, there are probably some boy focused shows that have a boring straight couple where the girl isn't that interesting, but I dont understand this argument at all. I never felt that a large portion of straight ships were a man was in charge of it and the girl was helpless . Big example is in Kpop Demon Hunters where the two main leads have their own personalities and flaws. They have a dynamic where it doesn't feel forced and you can see the chemistry. Also, I said this before, but its really ironic how these people talk about how straight relationships dont feel honest and performative and yet, Ive seen people ship two same sex people together even though their ship dynamic makes 0 sense for them to be together. The pair just feel like a performative gay ship that was just made to make the queer fan base happy.
 
Personally, I can agree that sometimes people want something different instead of the same stereotypical traditional ship of "Man saves woman and she's a damsel in distress", but I've noticed that any time a media tries this, you get a group of online weirdos who go "They are so queer coded for a straight couple" and headcanons both of them as some flavor of trans. Its like "What was the point of trying something different if youre just going to headcanon both characters as trans and thus make them queer when its not"? I honestly cant even blame media for this because its a classic case of "Damned if you do, damned if you dont". If a couple is too traditional, its boring. If the couple is too gender non conforming, its queer because fans start headcanoning the characters as the opposite gender as trans.
These people are always 100% lying and you can see it in the very media they consume. They don't like damsels in distress, but they are perfectly fine with Omegaverse, which features the most misogynistic tropes available, but it's OK because it's progressive and they are exploring gender through a 'cuntboy', not a woman, even when the narrative treats them as female and designates their 'feminine gender presentation' as something lesser in the eyes of society.
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Can anyone please explain the power imbalance argument? Sure, there are probably some boy focused shows that have a boring straight couple where the girl isn't that interesting, but I dont understand this argument at all. I never felt that a large portion of straight ships were a man was in charge of it and the girl was helpless . Big example is in Kpop Demon Hunters where the two main leads have their own personalities and flaws. They have a dynamic where it doesn't feel forced and you can see the chemistry. Also, I said this before, but its really ironic how these people talk about how straight relationships dont feel honest and performative and yet, Ive seen people ship two same sex people together even though their ship dynamic makes 0 sense for them to be together. The pair just feel like a performative gay ship that was just made to make the queer fan base happy.
"Gay ships are a lot more natural" - Again, this is a lie and/or cope. They will utilize these stereotypes as they see fit; they don't like 'gendered performances', yet automatically assume that the one with long hair and so-called 'feminine mannerisms' should be the bottom/get pregnant/act as the mother, etc. They are always speaking out of both sides of their mouth. Mind you, they are only saying this about MLM ships; they don't give a damn about lesbian ships. They will always focus on males because they believe, and will admit, that males are the only ones who can be true equals and that their love is the purest, highest form of intimacy because it's free of sexism thanks to the absence of women.

"No pretending to be something you are not" - and then you read trans headcanons and this is exactly what they fucking are, all the time. The problem with this thinking is that homosexuality is not as taboo as it once was, so you are no longer 'going against conformity'. Hell, you are sticking with it if their repackaged hetslop and 'Mating Runs' where omegas run away from alphas so they don't get raped like they did in ye olde days are anything to go by. You are not 'examining gender' if you think the man with long hair is the 'woman-lite' and should take it up the ass and do household chores. Fujos will assume characters like Zuko, who in The Legend of Aang is all grown up, is a 'bottom' and 'feminine' because he has long hair. That's it. Straight ships are 'dishonest', but they NEED to have the feminine one and the masculine one. And who is the masculine one? Whoever is 6'0, with big muscles, big abs, deep voice, prominent Adam's Apple, big yaoi hands, Chad jawlines, and a footlong penis. They know exactly what a gendered performance is there.

This is how fujos act normally: calling other people 'cock sleeves' because they said their ship was shit. This is a Hannigram fan, btw.
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"Go be a cock sleeve for your otome game" - and let's play the game of 'check the AO3':
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They're a big fan of Harry Potter. She's owning the TERF Queen by bookmarking someone who writes underage rimming:
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"Yeah I called you a black bitch but you misgendered me so take THAT you nigger"
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Can anyone please explain the power imbalance argument? Sure, there are probably some boy focused shows that have a boring straight couple where the girl isn't that interesting, but I dont understand this argument at all
I think @Chandelier explained your average fujoshi thinking the best, but here's my summed up version:
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In reality, they don't care. They just hate women. The only woman that is allowed to exist is them alone, others must be gotten rid of or swooshed away dismissevely into the lesbian corner.

Otherwise, why is that the character HAS TO BE male for the readers to not "relate" too close to them? I read a lot of stories with female protagonists and *gasp* male LIs, and I have always considered them to be separate people from me. They can be hurt or be in danger, but I don't immediately grab at my heart, thinking I am personally being assaulted.

The fact these people dare to imply that there cannot ever be any genuineness or love between a man and a woman says everything about what kind of people they actually are behind that concern for women and talks of "escaping gender stereotypes".

"Go be a cock sleeve for your otome game"

Notice how the fujoshit in the screencap uses the fact the user plays otome games as an insult. So much for open, celebrated feeemale sexuality. In fact, fujoshi have been antagonizing and infiltrating otome and josei-muke market for a while, according to japanese anon forums. They degrade femaleXmale romance games, loudly declare how by their headcanon their female MC is a "gross ossan in disguise so this game is now a bl story" or nag devs to make MC gender neutral/give them a male option. They also claim that otome gamers are inferior to them "because they are all selfish self-inserters".

You can see the glimpse of this accusation here:

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"Pixel slave cock". A freudian slip. As in, this insane fujoshit feels bad for the digital male creature over a real person and accuses the woman of "depriving him of his agency".

Because you cannot enjoy a (straight) romance story without making it into a shizo yumejoshi thing, right?


Well sorry to tell you this, fujos, but by following the line of your logic described previously, I think you may a bit self-projecting. Or more like a lot. Too freaking much. How about you listen to your own advice to fat gross male otaku and stop being so territorial and creepy towards media and art?

The fujoshit in screencaps is honestly hilarious, but at the same time quite sad. Her sense of superiority is so grand. She is so sure that she is "the good person" for sticking it up for gay men, that she cannot even fathom the idea that she may act misogynistic or racist, those scary things she always cries about. In reality she is just a creepy woman-hating gooner, just like the male weebs she hates.

The funniest bit:
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Behold — a fujoshi throne

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"No pretending to be something you are not" - and then you read trans headcanons and this is exactly what they fucking are, all the time. The problem with this thinking is that homosexuality is not as taboo as it once was, so you are no longer 'going against conformity'. Hell, you are sticking with it if their repackaged hetslop and 'Mating Runs' where omegas run away from alphas so they don't get raped like they did in ye olde days are anything to go by. You are not 'examining gender' if you think the man with long hair is the 'woman-lite' and should take it up the ass and do household chores. Fujos will assume characters like Zuko, who in The Legend of Aang is all grown up, is a 'bottom' and 'feminine' because he has long hair. That's it. Straight ships are 'dishonest', but they NEED to have the feminine one and the masculine one. And who is the masculine one? Whoever is 6'0, with big muscles, big abs, deep voice, prominent Adam's Apple, big yaoi hands, Chad jawlines, and a footlong penis. They know exactly what a gendered performance is there.
Hell its so non taboo that people start to headcanon one or both people in the relationship as trans to make an mpreg story and the relationship more "spicy".
"Gay ships are a lot more natural" - Again, this is a lie and/or cope. They will utilize these stereotypes as they see fit; they don't like 'gendered performances', yet automatically assume that the one with long hair and so-called 'feminine mannerisms' should be the bottom/get pregnant/act as the mother, etc. They are always speaking out of both sides of their mouth. Mind you, they are only saying this about MLM ships; they don't give a damn about lesbian ships. They will always focus on males because they believe, and will admit, that males are the only ones who can be true equals and that their love is the purest, highest form of intimacy because it's free of sexism thanks to the absence of women.
Its like I said before, these people make the claim that its more natural and yet I can give a perfect example of a gay ship that became a thing only because the fans wanted it to be canon. Tweek and Craig from South Park. They literally only became a thing because of a joke about yaoi and even in the episode, everyone kinda forced them to be in a relationship because if they weren't, everyone in the town would be sad. Wow, so "natural". I've also seen gay ships get completely astroturfed because its a gay ship even when its two characters who have never interacted with each other, or it would make 0 sense for them to be together. I wouldn't care about what people shipped if these exact same people weren't hypocrites about it and complained about straight ships that actually makes sense, but of course they act like its unnatural for two people who share a few similarities to be together.
 
In reality, they don't care. They just hate women. The only woman that is allowed to exist is them alone
THE CHAD YUMEJOSHI VS THE VIRGIN FUJOSHI

fujoshi's are so misogynistic and self hating that they would willingly sit in the cuck chair and see their faves fuck, meanwhile yumejoshi's are like YEAH I WANT TO FUCK THIS FICTIONAL TWINK or alan from smiling friends, SO?
 
THE CHAD YUMEJOSHI VS THE VIRGIN FUJOSHI
Personally, I think both are bad and nerfe down the quality of female character/straight romance writing. But aside from "growing up and getting into a real relationship", which is often impossible for these people, I don't know what kind of alternative to offer for them. It's the same situation as with self-insert bros and yuricucks.

Edit: I have heard of fujoshi mangakas who are married. Barely anything about them changed, including interest in drawing little boys kissing way in their fourties. Their husbands are 50/50 yuricucks or kodacons, meaning both parties endorse the worst in each other
 
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The alternative is always to get off the internet.
Unless something drastic happens to challenge that, I feel each new generation will be sucked into the internet more and more. Media and art will turn into a full substitute for interpersonal relationships and identities.

It's horrible and way to bleak to be real, but if it happens — it happens. I just don't want 90% of this dystopian future humanity to be about gay anime porn
 
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The reason fujos hate m/f romances is because they explicitly want to project and self-insert on to a male character. There is a reason so many of them pooned out. That's all it's ever been.

Also as far as fandom stuff goes yumejoshis (?) have never bothered anyone. Maybe each other. Like yeah it's probably maladaptive daydreaming but they're very quiet and they don't tend to infect other things like fujos seem to. They really are aptly named those rotten girls.
 
The problem with this thinking is that homosexuality is not as taboo as it once was, so you are no longer 'going against conformity'.
Sorry for double post but this is another thing that has been bugging me as well. Homosexuality isn't taboo and yet I still see people going on about how they see subtle clues about a character being gay even in shows that have gay characters in it. Like what the fuck would be the point of a show's creators to put subtle clues about a character's sexuality, especially in a show that already has gay characters on it? Why wouldn't they just make it canon if there was anything there? Its also the same people who go "The way they interact with each other is in such a queer way" and its clearly women who dont understand male friendship and think their interpretation is the correct way. I saw one argument go "Because there would be backlash to this character in particular being gay" and its like "What backlash"? The only backlash I could see is how people would get annoyed at how the show's creators are bowing down to fujo's interpretations of a male friendship as gay and how the majority of characters are LGBT when its so fucking pointless to have this many characters be gay. Its like they got their gay rep on the show already, why do you need every character to be LGBT? It once again shows the sheer narcissism of this community.
 
Sorry for double post but this is another thing that has been bugging me as well. Homosexuality isn't taboo and yet I still see people going on about how they see subtle clues about a character being gay even in shows that have gay characters in it. Like what the fuck would be the point of a show's creators to put subtle clues about a character's sexuality, especially in a show that already has gay characters on it?
Fujoshi need so called "food" to thrive. If you give them a stable, gay couple from the beginning it will be welcomed, but lukewarm. What gets them is the "slow buildup" - innuendos, certain character interactions, story episodes, even wardrobe. These are the materials they need to make more gay porn. Like most fanfiction, it's always about porn. I guess one could compare shipbaiting in general to mental female edging, but in this case for girls who are too insecure about pursuing straight relationships.

Of course, after all this "build up" in the story, fujoshi expect "release" in the form of a big gay reveal and fucking later in the series. So when it doesn't happens they get assmad about being duped queerbated.
 
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