Culture Oklahoma enacts total abortion ban - Zygotes are now fully human

Oklahoma lawmakers have approved a bill that would make performing an abortion a felony except in the case of a medical emergency.

It's the latest conservative legislature to approve a new restriction on abortion, as Republican-led states across the country push to limit reproductive rights.

The recent wave of bills restricting abortion comes as the country awaits the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in a landmark reproductive rights case. Some legal experts predict the conservative court could weaken or even overturn the constitutional right to an abortion in the first two trimesters of pregnancy guaranteed in Roe v. Wade.

"The only person who should have the power to decide whether you need an abortion is you — no matter where you live, or how much money you make," Tamya Cox-Touré, executive director of the ACLU of Oklahoma, said in a statement after the bill was passed. "But Oklahoma is facing an abortion access crisis that poses an immediate threat to our community's health and reproductive freedom."

What the Oklahoma bill would do​

The legislation, SB-612, prohibits people in Oklahoma from performing abortions unless they are doing so to "save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency."

A person convicted under the bill would be guilty of a felony and could face a fine up to $100,000 or a maximum 10-year prison sentence.

A pregnant woman could not be charged with a crime for having an abortion.

The Oklahoma House approved the measure by a 70-14 vote on Tuesday. It had been approved by the Senate in March of last year.

"Senate Bill 612 is the strongest pro-life legislation in the country right now, which effectively eliminates abortion in Oklahoma," Republican State Sen. Nathan Dahm, one of the bill's authors, said in a statement.

The bill now goes to Gov. Kevin Stitt for his signature. The Republican has previously said that he would sign all anti-abortion bills the legislature sends him, according to NPR member station KOSU.

Stitt's office did not respond to a request for comment from NPR.

In March, the Oklahoma House passed a bill that would ban many abortions and allow private citizens to file civil lawsuits against anyone who performed an abortion, a legal framework similar to a Texas law.

After that law took effect in Texas in September, Oklahoma reportedly saw a surge in women from Texas seeking abortions. Nearly half of the patients being seen by Oklahoma providers are from Texas, the ACLU said.

GOP lawmakers are counting on Roe to be overturned​

Although the Oklahoma bill will most certainly invite a legal challenge if it becomes law, experts say the measure's supporters are likely unmoved by that prospect.

"I think that this is just a reflection of the fact that lawmakers in Oklahoma, as in much of the country, are pretty confident that the Supreme Court is going to overrule Roe and that it's just a matter of time until a law like this can go into effect," Mary Ziegler, visiting professor of constitutional law at Harvard Law School, told NPR.

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Ziegler said the law may even be blocked from being enforced in the short term, but that Republican lawmakers in Oklahoma are likely counting on the Supreme Court to toss out Roe in the summer, clearing the way for such a law to take effect.

"They may lose the battle but they will think that they're going to win the war," Ziegler said.

Even as the constitutional right to an abortion has remained in place, states have left pre-Roe abortion bans in place or passed "trigger" laws that would prohibit the procedure if the Supreme Court ever allowed states to make that decision. More recently, lawmakers in conservative states from Alabama to Idaho to Arizona have passed new restrictions on abortion.

Laws criminalizing abortion used to be common​

Some states are passing laws that would be enforced by private citizens filing civil lawsuits, while others like Oklahoma make performing an abortion a crime.

Laws that explicitly criminalize performing an abortion were common at the end of the 19th century, Ziegler said. "At one point in time almost every state had such a law," he said.

But that changed in the 1960s and 1970s as advocates pushed to repeal such restrictions in the years before the Roe decision, which ultimately guaranteed the constitutional right to an abortion nationwide.

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Things just happen to women and women have no agency of their own.
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Maybe the word choice was bad, none native English speaker and all that, but point still stands. Why should you have to stay pregnant just to save a life? Why shouldn't a woman just remove them out of her body, if she doesn't want to donate her body for the growing baby to grow in? You can say yes for donating a part of your liver and stop the process up until you go unconscious for the surgery? Heck if you wake up middle of it you can say nope, I'm not doing this just close me up with the full liver.
 
I never seen as question of if fetus is human or alive, I see as question if someone else has be an unwilling life support. Of course the fetus is an alive human and if nothing bad happens pregnancy will result into a baby. If the mother is fine with the pregnancy then there is no problem and no need for abortion. Outside of medical emergencies and even with some of those, it's all about if she has continue pregnancy when she doesn't want that just to save a life.

We are not legally compelled to save lives in most of the time. You don't have run into burning building, pull up a drowning person or give a ride to hospital, you are allowed to prioritize yourself over saving others. You can keep your organs even after death despite high need for transplants. You don't even have duty to donate blood, despite it taking like half hour, mostly recovered in days and full recovery in months. I have hard time seeing why a woman can't prioritize her own well-being over her child with pregnancy when that's just fine in other circumstances. She doesn't have run in get her child from a burning building, she can say no to donating a kidney and she doesn't have to donate blood even if it's deadly medical emergency and her child will die without it.
Abortion is a deliberate, overt action. Not an omission of action. Your examples of blood and organ donation and burning buildings and drowning people simply do not apply. Abortion does not happen because of inaction. You are not saving a life by choosing not to end a life except by some repugnantly self servingly amoral twisted logic.

The well being of the mother is in the vast majority of cases the well being of the ease and convenience of her lifestyle. That does not outweigh a human life.

The only times I consider abortion to not be an act of murder is if the mother's life is endangered, or when there are birth defects so severe that it would be a mercy. In the former your scenario does apply. I'm not going to support compelling someone to risk their life to save another life. In the latter it is a question of biological quality of life, it isn't merciful to declare a malformed body should endure great and unavoidable suffering. Then there is the question of where to draw the line which can be wrangled with
 
Federalism is the only way to prevent civil conflict.

We have federalism in the US, and civil conflict all the fucking time.

So we sterilize them. If we can manage to stop abortions from happening, why can't we solve other problems? Everybody treats every issue like we're stuck in an eternal "now" where we can't make better decisions to protect our civilization.

Nope, we just turn everyone gay and into trannies and plunge the birth rate across the board. What could possibly go wrong?

Why should you have to stay pregnant just to save a life? Why shouldn't a woman just remove them out of her body, if she doesn't want to donate her body for the growing baby to grow in?

If you support zero restrictions on abortion, then would you support an abortion at 39 weeks? If so, what is the difference between that, and killing a newborn infant? Does something magically happen in the birth canal that conveys sentience?
 
there's not going to be a huge wave of babies that would have otherwise been aborted. people have less sex than they used to and that's probably not going to change, and it's very easy to avoid pregnancy. nor is contraception going to be made illegal. even countries where abortion is heavily restricted or banned completely still have legal contraception.

Some of those countries, like El Salvador, practice sterilization by uterus-yeetus at huge rates. There is literally nowhere poised to become a Gilead breeding facility, no one actually wants that. Women having babies is hella inconvenient.
 
Women are sluts, but the men who impregnate them are...? Studs? Women don't get pregnant magically. The onus is always on the women who get pregnant but never the males ejaculating into them and refusing to use condoms
Except that men have to pay child support if so pursued, regardless of whether the man was raped, much less whether he wanted to be father to the child. We do that because we understand the father's responsibility to be inextricable.

Really tired of this rhetoric, by the way-- it's more diffusion of respnsibility for the woman's sake instead of anything constructive. Deadbeat fathers have been considered worse than trash in every culture and religion. Nobody that's familiar with men would think that we think men are "studs" for abandoning children and pregnant women.

And... yes, it's on the woman if she chooses to have sex with someone who chooses to not wear a condom.
It wasn't possible, that was the thing.
So that's the end of the conversation. Again, I'm certain that the language was that they should try if possible. If it's not possible, then it's a moot point because they're not being forced to make an attempt.
It really does not haunt you. It's a medical procedure. An often very necessary
12% of cases are done on account of maternal danger.

Clearly showing the majority of abortions happen before two months of being a host for a parasitic being.
America exports anal sex and calls its future parasitic.

people have less sex than they used to and that's probably not going to change, and it's very easy to avoid pregnancy.
What are you talking about? On a daily basis, women have to avoid flying sperm cells like they're playing Touhou in real life.
 
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Maybe the word choice was bad, none native English speaker and all that, but point still stands. Why should you have to stay pregnant just to save a life? Why shouldn't a woman just remove them out of her body, if she doesn't want to donate her body for the growing baby to grow in? You can say yes for donating a part of your liver and stop the process up until you go unconscious for the surgery? Heck if you wake up middle of it you can say nope, I'm not doing this just close me up with the full liver.
Because tough shit. Pregnancy can be prevented from beginning in all sorts of ways. Human life is more important once the mother and father have failed to prevail upon those myriad methods. I also support much harsher laws to force fathers to take their share of responsibility, not gonna say everything should be an obligation on the mother.
 
They should just make a law next to cover bullshit loopholes like that.
Oklahoma can't as federally recognized tribes possess equal sovereignty as states under the U.S. Constitution and are only subject to the will of Congress, that's why Oklahoma can't even make the injuns use their license plates.
 
Abortion arguments became so tiring once I realized that everyone sensible agrees that some should be legal, some should be illegal and the fight over the middle ground will never be settled.
 
Oklahoma can't as federally recognized tribes possess equal sovereignty as states under the U.S. Constitution and are only subject to the will of Congress, that's why Oklahoma can't even make the injuns use their license plates.
I'm not familiar with how these tribes are treated, but surely they can't just do as they please with absolutely no recourse whatsoever.
 
Except that men have to pay child support if so pursued, regardless of whether the man was raped, much less whether he wanted to be father to the child. We do that because we understand the father's responsibility to be inextricable.
And the women just pay nothing ever for their own children, regardless of if she was raped or wanted to be a mother? In the case of OK now, she does not have a choice but to carry to term.

Thing is that even if you appeal to welfare than that is even worse because then all of us, men or women, are forced to be the father who abandoned her for whatever reason.
 
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I can make it work.
At worst he dies, at best he makes a bitchin' Metal Slug Mars People cosplay.

Ok RL yeah that's pretty brutal.


You and I both know that's not what I meant. If doctors can prove the fetus is DOA or the mother's life is in peril then yes it's a completely different case. However, 99% of the time we know it's horny teens/college sluts who don't like the idea of responsibility for their actions.
Let's have this conversation once they can actually do that. Or maybe even get it right 3/4 of the time.
 
I'm not familiar with how these tribes are treated, but surely they can't just do as they please with absolutely no recourse whatsoever.
They're only subject to federal law which sometimes forces them to cooperate with the state like on gambling as they have to have consent from the state for certain games which typically means they have to give them a cut of the revenue, and education due to the fact they rely on Oklahoma public schools.

Oh yeah and they have to pay state sales tax for shit they sell to white people and pay munipcalities and counties for utilities.

Beyond that they regularly tell states to go fuck themselves because like I said, Indian tribes are legally equivalent to states in sovereignty so Oklahoma telling a Tribe they can't do something is like Oklahoma telling Texas they can't do something.

Better yet, last year they lost ALL criminal jurisdiction over native Americans in the entire eastern part of the state including Tulsa meaning in Oklahoma injuns are now effectively legit sovereign citizens now except that if caught Oklahoma Law Enforcement has to either turn them over to tribal police for misdemeanors or the FBI for felonies.

That's why an abortion clinic in Tulsa could still legally operate with impunity in face of a full ban on abortion, and they would probably do it not for virtue signaling but out of pure spite for the state government as they all hate the state as much as Texans hate California.
 
That's why an abortion clinic in Tulsa could still legally operate with impunity in face of a full ban on abortion, and they would probably do it not for virtue signaling but out of pure spite for the state government as they all hate the state as much as Texans hate California.
A better way to go about it would probably not be trying to restrict abortion for these tribes, but restricting citizens of the state from going there for abortions somehow.

Just goes to show that we need abortion to be legally viewed as murder, then these loopholes wouldn't be a concern.
 
Based. Now make it so thots get the rope if they kill their fetus anyway. I'll glock em myself.

P.S. Can they do something about the women who intentionally drink/smoke/starve themselves stupid during pregnancy in order to birth a retard welfare ticket? I feel these types are even worse than abortion thots. Intentionally causing your baby damage like that should result in crucifixion.

I knew a girl who proudly proclaimed it was easy to get a free fetus yeetus by riding in a bumpy car on a back road. Another friend had her fiance (they were 16) punch her in the fupa because they had a pregnancy scare and she went to the toilet later and the poor pink blob plopped into the school toilet.

It just dawned on me as well that the phrase ‘pregnancy scare’ is incredibly depressing (:_(
 
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And the women just pay nothing ever for their own children, regardless of if she was raped or wanted to be a mother?
You're wholly missing the point of that response.

Really tired of this rhetoric, by the way-- it's more diffusion of respnsibility for the woman's sake instead of anything constructive. Deadbeat fathers have been considered worse than trash in every culture and religion. Nobody that's familiar with men would think that we think men are "studs" for abandoning children and pregnant women.
 
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