Nurse practitioner delusion / "Noctors" / "Midlevel staff" - Nurses get a 1 year degree and start thinking they are better than doctors

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I've come bearing another story of nurses in college.

Today, at a faculty event, a nursing instructor decided to pick a fight with their dean over the instructor telling all of their students to get disability accomodations... despite not having disabilities (so they could be given extra time on exams*).

This would be illegal. For everyone. :punished:

*Even though the professor could just give them extra time, but chose...not to?
 
Lol, I'm glad she's not a nurse anymore.

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eternal dog mongler dijo:
I assume what's happening is she's giving stupidly long exams and getting booted out of the room by the professor for the next class.

She could just maybe not do that
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No, it was something along the lines of doing it because the exam to get their license is timed, some exam like that. The quote I heard was her telling students, "You don't get extra time in the real world, so you won't here."

It's a valid idea, but the execution was bad.
 
anliteralidiot dijo:
No, it was something along the lines of doing it because the exam to get their license is timed, some exam like that. The quote I heard was her telling students, "You don't get extra time in the real world, so you won't here."
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If you're in danger of running out of time on the NCLEX you're already deep in the fucking woods anyway. They give you five hours to do it.

Basically how it works is that they keep a running window of your last 60 responses. If you're getting most of the questions right the test will end and you'll pass. If not and you're on like the 240th question and running out of time, uh...things aren't going great. Better luck next time.
 
eternal dog mongler dijo:
If you're in danger of running out of time on the NCLEX you're already deep in the fucking woods anyway. They give you five hours to do it.
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It took me under an hour and a half to complete my RN NCLEX exam, and I believe under an hour for the LPN one, really wish they sent you your score because I wanted to know so bad; passed both either way.

The NCLEX gets talked up as some impossibly hard test, and while it was probably the most nerve racking exam I've ever taken, once I sat down it was a breeze, in fact I remember thinking to myself that it was almost too easy, and that clearly I was fucking everything up.

Nursing school and the NCLEX are not as hard as people make them out to be, its just that most nurses are of middling intelligence, so to them it feels like a rigorous course.
 
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moonman1488 dijo:
My usual advice to students I get assigned regarding the NCLEX is don't worry because tons of nurses are fucking retarded and they all passed.
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It should be worrying but the image of someone telling a group of students, still full of hopes and dreams, that retardation never stopped any nurse from passing is hilarious
 
DespotCTM dijo:
It should be worrying but the image of someone telling a group of students, still full of hopes and dreams, that retardation never stopped any nurse from passing is hilarious
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By the time a nursing student is seriously worrying about their NCLEX, they've made it past the classroom and are probably almost done with their clinical rotation, so the very stupidest and scariest have been weeded out. A near-graduate nurse still probably wants to work with li'l babies and/or become a well-paid NP by next year or probably make TikToks these days, damn kids, but they've seen a little of how the sausages are made.
 
Aunt Carol dijo:
A near-graduate nurse still probably wants to work with li'l babies and/or become a well-paid NP by next year or probably make TikToks these days, damn kids, but they've seen a little of how the sausages are made.
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I just had a student yesterday who has already decided they want to go straight into NP school. This is sickeningly common. I don't think I need to restate this given the topic of the thread, but new grad nurses who went straight into being a pretend doctor are even more dangerous to their patients than nurses with experience who decided to become a pretend doctor.
 
moonman1488 dijo:
I just had a student yesterday who has already decided they want to go straight into NP school. This is sickeningly common. I don't think I need to restate this given the topic of the thread, but new grad nurses who went straight into being a pretend doctor are even more dangerous to their patients than nurses with experience who decided to become a pretend doctor.
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You'd think someone who saw actual doctors work first hand would understand that a NP wouldn't know shit about being an actual doctor just by looking at the years one has to study to be an actual doctor.

Isn't there a class or teacher that just flat out tells them "no, you aint nowhere near an actual doctor. Important yes but not in the same way"?
 
DespotCTM dijo:
Isn't there a class or teacher that just flat out tells them "no, you aint nowhere near an actual doctor. Important yes but not in the same way"?
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Nah, nursing education is sort of a hot mess. The stereotype of a nurse educator is someone who hasn't even seen a patient since before their students were born but they have incredibly strong opinions about everything nonetheless.

Nursing education just really isn't an attractive field compared to becoming an ARNP because the pay is terrible. There's barely anyone going into it unless they have a very strong passion for teaching so you have all these old fossils stuck there.
 
std::string dijo:
Nah, nursing education is sort of a hot mess. The stereotype of a nurse educator is someone who hasn't even seen a patient since before their students were born but they have incredibly strong opinions about everything nonetheless.

Nursing education just really isn't an attractive field compared to becoming an ARNP because the pay is terrible. There's barely anyone going into it unless they have a very strong passion for teaching so you have all these old fossils stuck there.
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And now it's getting even more depressing damn
 
Recently saw a peer supporter get fired because they thought they knew enough medicine to tell a client to stop their medication. Peer Supporters are people with mental illness who can take a short course to be certified to work in mental health places. Legislation lately requires organizations to have at least one on staff. If you think NPs are bad should see what people with less schooling but having been told "your experience as mentally ill is more then enough" will get into.
 
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