Feedback Null does not want a Tor-only Onionfarms. Here's why that's problematic.

[Fake Steve Franssen]

If clearnet Kiwifarms is not viable, Null does not want a Tor-only Onionfarms. The content is legal goddamnit and muhrights or tendies will hit the floor in an epic raqequit though the forum archive may be zipped and released. (That's my understanding of Null's position based on the last stream and statements before.)

Hard disagree. If clearnet is not possible, onion-only is a great option for the following reasons:

1. Tor keeps the normies out. Onion Farms could be like Studio 54 without the AIDS, drugs, overdoses, and dead hookers in the air vent.

2. Plenty will screenshot or use it as start for research. With the elondaddy Twitter renaissance, there might be an upswing in what can be discussed in the mainstream. Onion Farms could be the first person in a human centipede of lolcow knowledge base.



3. Promote tor. People need to get used to learning new things to circumvent troon mandated censorship (TMC). Tough shit, learn to download a new program, boomer.

4. Most importantly, troons and pals will seethe as their lolcowery and criminality will continue to be exposed.

WWJD? Who cares. WDLW? What Does Liz Want? Liz wants to make sure no one criticizes them. We can't let Liz win.

TLDR We must secure the existence of onion farms and a future for chronicling lolcows.

Thank you for coming to my TEDxOnionFarms talk.

 

[Null]

There is not a single example of a successful Tor community. There might be 'good' communities, but they don't grow.

 

[.iota.]

why couldn't the farms become that example?

 

[The Internet Dick]

1. Tor keeps the normies out.

We shouldn't want to keep the normies out. You were a normie once, probably. Deliberately limiting reach is, well, limiting in all aspects and precisely what the likes of Fong-Jones seek to accomplish. You don't win by losing.

 

[Demonslayer1776]

There is not a single example of a successful Tor community. There might be 'good' communities, but they don't grow.

I don't know about the logistics of hosting the site on Tor, but if all else fails would a Tor only setup be fairly stable and free from the tactics that have been used so far? I could see KF as one of the few places that has a chance at remaining relevant on Tor, so if it would require less maintenance to keep up here maybe it would be worth giving a shot.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

onion-only is a great option for the following reasons:

Now rewrite this post while trying to come up with viable solutions for all his financial issues with running the site.
All you elitists that want tiny exclusive jerk-circles never have any viable solutions for that.

 

[ffo kcuF]

I'd like the site to stay around. But this is Null's baby and he makes a good point on why TOR only just won't make him happy, if his heart isn't in it then he probably shouldn't do it.

Kiwi farms Only Fans, just a thot. That'll fix the financial issues, sell your ass for us Josh.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

I don't know about the logistics of hosting the site on Tor, but if all else fails would a Tor only setup be fairly stable and free from the tactics that have been used so far?

No, it wouldn't be. They've DDoSed the site on Tor as well. Chelsea Manning, who is involved with the #DropKiwiFarms campaign, is a convicted cybercriminal who knows trannies who are former Tor employees, who have a grudge against Tor and know how to attack the network from within.

And again, I want ONE of these elitsts to come up with viable solutions for all the financial issues of running a site like KiwiFarms, with no access to mainstream payment processors, on top of KF crypto accounts (both Joshua Null's and those of Kiwis) being targeted.

 

[Vesperus]

I'd rather have a TOR only farm than none at all- there is no resource like this for archiving the cows - but maybe, if we loose the clearnet, someone else can pick that work up so @Null can do something less soul-crushing.

At least until the wind changes back. The swathe of people saying nigger on Twitter gives me hope...

 

[potatoGelato]

Visibility and accessibility are a problem if it's a tor only site. The trannies kind of win to a pretty significant degree if the farms can't be on the clearnet, but it should be kept up anyway. It'll set a bad precedent, and there aren't many platforms left with a community like this.

 

[Doppelmonger]

All that talent wasted on silencing a gossip site instead of hunting down real criminals and sex offenders. Oh wait, they will only hunt themselves.

 

[A huge plate of beans]

In my heart I want the site to remain, even on TOR, simply because it stands as a beacon of defiance against those who seek to remove completely legal speech under the premise of lies, deceit and a frantic scramble to erase any of their very public and archived hideousness.

At the same time a TOR only solution does kind of mean they have won and I completely understand why Josh wants to give up at that point. And in the end, this site is his project - and bastion or not - it would stand as a landmark to point out in future when this entire process of moderating the legal internet based on personal opinion started.

And as we've all referenced before, the pendulum's swing is near-guaranteed. And when it inevitably happens, the cries and laments of the people who caused this will face the wrath of the general population. They will be met with a resounding "told you so".

Also the backup plan of releasing the entire thing to the world via torrent, a p2p system in which in practice means the data can never truly be erased as long as one person still has it, is kind of the real 'fuck you' retort.

 

[PFM]

Deliberately limiting reach is, well, limiting in all aspects and precisely what the likes of Fong-Jones seek to accomplish. You don't win by losing.

Deliberate? Sounds like a last ditch effort, to me. What good is the Farms if it doesn't exist at all?

 

[Just A Butt]

what's onion farms?

 

[Mikoyan]

To put it in few words: I'd enjoy the lower number of retards we get in Tor-only mode but the Farms' content needs to be available.

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

Keep it on tor. At least for now.
What if the community isn't as fast-growing? There's thousands of mofos on here.
Eventually, people will achieve the tremendous effort of copying longer url.

 

[Fools Idol]

You should just accept this site's death when it comes.

 

[Great Dane]

It's been turned down before, but could selling ads help offset some costs? There may be some business owners within this forum that would love to promote their stuff.

If not, maybe the site can have a thanks page similar to EFF's.

Thank You to our Institutional Supporters

EFF would like to thank the following public foundations, organizational members, and other organizational donors for supporting our tireless efforts to defend users' rights.Public FoundationsFilecoin Foundation for the Decentralized WebFord FoundationFuture of Life InstituteKaphan...

www.eff.org

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

why couldn't the farms become that example?

A successful online community similar to ours needs to meet the following criteria:

1. Don't piss off the US government
2. Be accessible to as many viewers as possible
3. Grow the userbase

Being on TOR would limit numbers 2 and 3, or possibly prevent them entirely. I can see being on TOR exclusively as a temporary solution, but we really need to be on the clearnet. The world deserves to know about the tranny cult (among other people covered here.)

It's been turned down before, but could selling ads help offset some costs? There may be some business owners within this forum that would love to promote their stuff.

You are underestimating how much we're hated. If people begin tying their real names to this website, they absolutely will be harassed, SWATed, stalked, defamed, and #Canceled to within an inch of their life. Doubly so if it's a woman.

 

[Banana Hammock]

Well, if the site goes down, Null said he'd be putting out the servers (scrubbed of any identifying information or passwords) on a torrent. Feel free to host the tor site on your own, I guess.