Nolan's The Odyssey - Potentially could be epic or an epic flop.

So after giving it a chance and seeing it today, nothing about it really changed my initial speculation that it will do pretty well the first couple of weeks and then tail off fast. I wouldn't get too wound up about critic scores because those became little more than a meme by the end of the 2010s.

A big part of it is the Nolan-standard length bloat--at nearly 3 hours plus 20 minutes or so of trailers, a movie like this has to be well-paced to get repeat viewings, and I don't see that happening for that reason alone. It can be a slog to sit through at times.

Most significantly, there's really nothing particularly inspirational or heroic about Odysseus in this. It's typical Current Year-deconstruction of the Hero's Journey and subversion of those tropes that we've seen non-stop since the late 2000s. It's just the typical post-Obama cultural pretenses grafted on to another traditional western canon work.

- The multethinic cast could have been fine... but because the movie keeps mentioning the Sea People and the theme of the end of the age they caused it forces it into a specific time and place which then makes the multethinic castings wrong. The movie literally sabotages its own argument about race the media made about it not mattering.
The diversity casting was clearly set up to garner media coverage and drive critic defenses in case the movie bombed. Nyongo and Page don't show up for more than maybe 5 minutes of screen time each. Page was clearly a pity casting; it doesn't matter what kind of armor you put on her or how much you glaze her character in the movie, she's still a 5'2" elf with a femmy frog voice. Nyongo's casting in particular was a clear "LOL white people are shit" message.

Nyongo would have worked well as Circe, the same way Vanessa Williams worked as Calypso in the 1997 mini-series and Zendaya worked as Athena (which is really just a manifestation of Odyssues' post-traumatic stress from watching a priestess get beheaded). But that's not her purpose, her purpose was to subvert and demoralize with her flat-chested, bulb-headed, eggplant-skinned visage for a character that was explicitly described as being light-skinned and fair-haired.

Even if you were to cast a mystery meat or even explicitly black actress for the role, and you shouldn't, the problem is that the current Hollywood pool contains a bunch of aggressively ugly Carnival Cruise-tier negresses, like the Uruk-hai who was in "One Battle After Another." For fuck's sake, Halle Berry is pushing 60 and she still looks better than >98% of what Hollywood thinks passes for "desirable" black women these days.
 
I know this is made to make fun of Nolan but Gibson was just as wrong in different ways with Apocalypto. He kept mixing up Aztec and Mayan events/stories/cultural tropes all over the place, and worst of all, the movie ends with the Spanish showing up which makes absolutely zero goddamn sense when they weren't due to arrive for 500 years and the Spaniards at the time were still up to their necks in Umayyad bullshit.
I think mouth breathers like Nick Hodges over think the stuff that happens in that movie. Like no shit it's not set in the classical Mayan era, and there is a lot of symbolic divine essence and symbolism in that film. Most of the main classical cities were gone in the post classical period but the ones that remain were still functioning like the one shown the film. The film was about elites in times of crisis and desperation, hence the mass sacrifice scenes. The post classical Maya still had writing and astronomy and put up a better fight against the Spanish than the Aztec and the Inca. (the last Mayan city that surrendered to the Spanish was Nojpetén all the way in 1697, That's closser to the American Revolution than the conquest of the Aztecs.) And most of them in this time period and even today live in villages similar to the main character's of the film. It's a chase movie about a dad trying to return back home to save his family.
 
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Even if you were to cast a mystery meat or even explicitly black actress for the role, and you shouldn't, the problem is that the current Hollywood pool contains a bunch of aggressively ugly Carnival Cruise-tier negresses, like the Uruk-hai who was in "One Battle After Another." For fuck's sake, Halle Berry is pushing 60 and she still looks better than >98% of what Hollywood thinks passes for "desirable" black women these days.
People would likely think that a black Helen is pandering horseshit regardless, but if they'd at least had the decency to cast a truly beautiful black actress the vitriol wouldn't be nearly as potent. A lot can be handwaved if someone's good looking enough- see the 1997 Odyssey's Calypso as a prime example. If I absolutely had to cast a black girl as Helen I'd go for someone like Kylie Bunbury, who has more universally appealing Euro-esque features, and then style her exactly how they did in Tut, because she looked absolutely fantastic there.

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I know this is made to make fun of Nolan but Gibson was just as wrong in different ways with Apocalypto. He kept mixing up Aztec and Mayan events/stories/cultural tropes all over the place, and worst of all, the movie ends with the Spanish showing up which makes absolutely zero goddamn sense when they weren't due to arrive for 500 years and the Spaniards at the time were still up to their necks in Umayyad bullshit.
I view Apocalypto as more of one man's story of a dying society and the ending being Jaguar Paw realizing it is not getting better. The camera movement is his perspective, from the priest to the conquistador. It's messy, but I don't think it's a one to one historical take. More as the beginning quote says a great society that has already defeated itself. The city dwellers were already in a slow apocalypse scenario. It's trying to capture the general vibe of things. The tribes outside of the Tripe Alliance were basically allying with the Spanish in days of them arriving. That's how bad it was.

The movie is also supposedly taking place during the Flower Wars to the Spanish actually arriving on the mainland. I always framed it as basically a slow creeping fall into dysfunction ending with that cathartic violent death coming. I have no clue where you think this is pre-reconquista.

The movie is Kino. Jaguar Paw is a good protagonist. Him screaming about how this is his forest, how his father and his father's father hunted it and so will his children and then the Mayans fucking following him is peak. The beach scene is peak with the camera tracking Jaguar Paw's persepective as he goes from priest to conquistador.
 
An absolutely insane thing to say after watching the last 30 minutes of the movie
What, you mean the Big Reveal about how they were The Real Evil Sea Peoples all along? Or him marinating in his PTSD while thinking about Zendaya getting her head cut off?

Like everything else Current Year, it wears the dress of the western canon like a skin suit while projecting the modern era's ridiculous neuroses as virtues.
 
What, you mean the Big Reveal about how they were The Real Evil Sea Peoples all along? Or him marinating in his PTSD while thinking about Zendaya getting her head cut off?

Like everything else Current Year, it wears the dress of the western canon like a skin suit while projecting the modern era's ridiculous neuroses as virtues.
And then what happens after the big marination? The big epic heroic moment that lasts the remainder of the film? Did you tune that out?
 
So I went with Mama Sales Rep to see it this evening.
I'm going to start with a warning. If you go see this movie in theaters, the sound balancing is BAD, and it is at times VERY LOUD.

The whole of the story of the Trojan War is every big name in Greek mythos meeting up to royal rumble. Greek mythology is so ubiquitous that there's little exposition on who anyone is except in the scenes with Odysseus' son Telemachus. Many of the character's stories are changed to help fit Nolan's vision and it gets a little off-putting.

Odysseus (Matt Damon): A little less the shrew commander from the myth and a lot more the headstrong king. There's so many scenes changed for the "rule of cool" that make no sense from a practical standing. The entire cyclops part is so wrong, different, and stupid that it defies logic. I understand what Nolan was trying to show with Odysseus having PTSD from the Trojan War and the sacking of Troy. He just did it badly. Damon did fine with what he was given. B- or C+.

Penelope (Anne Hathaway): Played straight with a sprinkling of beleaguered widow. Almost all her scenes are dripping with emotion. There's a scene with Damon where she slaps him while crying and sound design fucking nailed it. Hathaway looks great, has great costumes, and isn't afraid to ugly cry while yelling at Tom Holland. A+

Telemachus (Tom Holland): It's hard to Telemachus badly, he's barely a character. Tom Holland manages mostly due to his boyish looks and mannerisms. He was a great foil to the older and more cunning Antinous. C+

Antinous (Robert Pattinson): Scheming Antinous is also a character that just isn't that deep, but Pattinson made him especially hate-able. He gave the character a crooked grin and a cheek twitch that seems over the top, but Nolan wrote him to be THE over the top bully leading the suitors loitering at Ithaca. B+

Sinon (Ellen Elliot Page): Ouch. Page doesn't get much screen time, which is probably for the best because she can't play a male role, let alone two. Nolan slammed the characters Sinon and Elpenor together so Page could have a second scene after dying in the first ten minutes of the movie. Both scenes are short (like Page*) and don't require much talking. D.
* I'm not joking. The scene with a child actor playing young Sinon is as tall or taller than Page herself.

Helen and Clytemnestra (Lupita Nyong'o): Not much to say. More plot devices than characters. Lupita does fine as the shamed and remorseful Helen. Her portrayal of the vengeful Clytemnestra was short but impactful. C+

Menelaus (Jon Bernthal): Eh. B-

Agamemnon (Benny Safdie): Less the greedy King of Mycenae, and more a set piece. Nolan clearly wanted to make him a spector of death and destruction. The costume is doing all the heavy lifting. When he takes it off and shows he's just a man his vengeful wife kills him because he dropped his guard after wronging her and killing their daughter and no one but his son mourned him because he was such a greedy asshole and don't be like me Odysseus! Why Benny Safdie? Who knows. C-

Circe (???): I don't know but she did a great job being super fucking creepy. B+

Calypso (Charilize Theron): Beautiful. Etherial. Wize and wonderful. Just as she was written. A strange costume choice but Theron made it work. A+

Athena/Priestess (Zendaya): Plot device. She said the lines fine. C

Eurylochus (Himesh Patel): Who? He's Br*tish. Good foil to Damon. B-

Eumaeus (John Leguizamo): ??? C.
 
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Nolan didn't want a movie set in ancient Greece so why didn't he just set it in the present day or space or something?

MGM got away with retelling The Tempest in space in the 50s. Disney made Hamlet in Africa with animals in the 90s. Why didn't Nolan do something like that?
 
I view Apocalypto as more of one man's story of a dying society and the ending being Jaguar Paw realizing it is not getting better. The camera movement is his perspective, from the priest to the conquistador. It's messy, but I don't think it's a one to one historical take. More as the beginning quote says a great society that has already defeated itself. The city dwellers were already in a slow apocalypse scenario. It's trying to capture the general vibe of things. The tribes outside of the Tripe Alliance were basically allying with the Spanish in days of them arriving. That's how bad it was.

The movie is also supposedly taking place during the Flower Wars to the Spanish actually arriving on the mainland. I always framed it as basically a slow creeping fall into dysfunction ending with that cathartic violent death coming. I have no clue where you think this is pre-reconquista.

The movie is Kino. Jaguar Paw is a good protagonist. Him screaming about how this is his forest, how his father and his father's father hunted it and so will his children and then the Mayans fucking following him is peak. The beach scene is peak with the camera tracking Jaguar Paw's persepective as he goes from priest to conquistador.

Apocalypto is a reminder that sincere story telling is only two decades out of grasp. People who say it's historically inaccurate fail to get the point. Jaguar Paw might be the embodiment of the true Noble Savage with hunting, cooking, family life, and telling fireside stories something his father, his ancestors, and ultimately he intends to continue on. All until "civilization" comes knocking.

I think the transfer from the lush green of the rainforest, to the barren and disease riddled city state is a perfect metaphor for a truly rotten civilization that's looking for cheap answers for their terminal woes. The color though bright in the city is unnatural and gross. The elites believe just quick sacrifices to assert their faith will please the gods, all to then just as quick go back to their decadent ways.

The corrupt warriors who captured him would all end up dying because they simply could have let Jaguar go, but went for needless cruelty all to end up on the beach to observe what would be the end of the very world they knew.

I truly wished more ambitious films like Apocalypto were made because the insistence to make the cast as Mayan and speak Mayan as possible makes it feel like it's some lost epic.
 
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