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USNo, We Don’t Need to Ban Caste Discrimination - Adding “caste” to New York’s discrimination code will only fuel suspicion and social policing.
New York State lawmakers recently rejected a bill that would have added “caste” to the state’s anti-discrimination code. Had it passed, it would have made New York the first state—following a failed attempt in California—to enshrine the Indian system of social hierarchy in its law, adding yet another category to the ever-growing list of DEI concerns.
The battle, however, is far from over. Thanks to activists pushing this latest identity category, Seattle has already added caste to its anti-discrimination law, and universities including Brandeis, UC Davis, Brown, Columbia, and the California State University system have added caste to their nondiscrimination policies. While state-level policies have yet to succeed, activists will undoubtedly keep trying.
Activists often kick off moral panics by asserting the existence of a pervasive but difficult-to-measure problem, then demanding a new institutional mechanism to detect and punish it. But just like prior moral panics, there’s little evidence that caste discrimination is widespread—and real evidence that adding it to our laws will make things worse.
Most New Yorkers have probably never heard of caste discrimination. But they are likely familiar with the worldview behind New York’s push to enshrine it—the institutional culture that has spent years teaching Americans to reinterpret ordinary interactions as evidence of hidden oppression. In New York, supporters pointed to alleged cases of workplace harassment, exclusion, and discrimination against Dalits and other caste groups. The claim is not merely that isolated incidents of discrimination are happening, but that an entire hidden, caste-based hierarchy is operating beneath ordinary American life that requires state-level anti-discrimination laws to address.
Before agreeing to a rewrite of anti-discrimination law around supposedly pervasive systems of hidden oppression, a reasonable person might ask a few basic questions. How many Hindu Americans in the United States even identify with caste? How common is caste prejudice in this country, exactly? And perhaps most awkwardly for those pushing these ideologies through universities, corporations, and government institutions: When Americans are taught to see oppression everywhere, does that framework actually reduce prejudice, or does it instead train people to join moral mobs and devour one another over imagined sins?
We wanted to contribute to the debate in a way that did not require pretending to possess mystical insight into invisible systems of oppression. Accordingly, through research at Rutgers University’s Social Perception Lab, conducted in partnership with the Network Contagion Research Institute, we gathered and examined the evidence.
We surveyed more than 1,000 Hindu Americans and found that fewer than one-third of U.S.-born Hindus identified with a particular caste. Social distance—that is, reluctance to interact across caste lines in ordinary social, professional, or personal relationships—between caste groups was generally low. Explicit hostility, as measured by direct questions about attitude toward other caste groups, was also low. The sweeping portrait of a rigid caste hierarchy silently governing American Hindu life, as described by activist groups such as Equality Labs, simply did not appear in the data.
When participants were exposed to anti-caste ideological narratives, their responses were revealing. They became substantially more likely to perceive discrimination in ambiguous situations where no evidence of discrimination had been presented. Compared with participants who read a neutral academic essay about caste, those exposed to caste-sensitivity materials became 33 percent more likely to say an applicant had experienced microaggressions, 16 percent more likely to say the applicant had been harmed in an interview, and 11 percent more likely to assume an admissions officer’s decision was biased. They were also 19 percent more willing to punish the fictional administrator. In general, the intervention appeared stronger than the underlying prejudice it purported to solve.
And caste was hardly unique in this regard. We observed similar patterns across racial and religious anti-oppression narratives as well. Consistently, participants trained to see hidden systems of oppression were more likely to infer hostility, bias, and victimization from ordinary ambiguous interactions.
In one experiment, participants exposed to anti-caste ideological narratives also became more willing to endorse demonizing statements about Brahmins adapted from Adolf Hitler’s rhetoric about Jews. Thirty-five percent agreed with the claim that Brahmins are “parasites,” 34 percent with the claim that they are “viruses,” and 27 with the claim that they are “the devil personified.” Who knew the language of collective guilt could make such strange ideological alliances?
Even more striking, the people most attracted to these anti-oppression frameworks tended to score the highest on measures of left-wing authoritarianism: they showed support for ideological policing, coercive punishment, censorship, and aggressive enforcement against perceived moral offenders.
The anti-discrimination laws to which New York wants to add caste were meant to reduce prejudice. Increasingly, theevidencesuggests that many of these systems are instead training citizens to monitor one another for invisible sins while empowering institutions to punish people for perceived transgressions.
New York, California, Seattle, and all other jurisdictions should protect residents from real discrimination. But if an ideology repeatedly produces paranoia, denunciations, censorship, coercive social policing, and mobs hunting for imagined offenses, it’s reasonable to question whether the problem is hidden oppression or the ideology itself.
Lee Jussim is a professor of psychology at Rutgers University and senior advisor to the Network Contagion Research Institute. Danit Finkelstein is a graduate researcher at Rutgers University’s Social Perception Lab and a researcher affiliated with the Network Contagion Research Institute. Colin Wright is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute.
My old job hired a brahmin project manager. This "person" (squat and stinky) didn't do much more than google 29 point McKinsey flowcharts on how to deploy software like ours and tell us techies to rework everything currently in production to adhere to them. In other words, makework that doesn't improve profit whatsoever. Very subcontinental behavior. I would always refuse, ask what's the benefit when the product is stable and makes more than enough to justify our yearly salaries in one week, and she had no answer.
This "person" had a very impressive degree and resume, and was always flying off to attend the graduations of her relatives Pisamdeep and Cumesh, also getting impressive and totally merited degrees. Someone with her purported experience should've been doing things far more prestigious than emailing people powerpoints from Deloitte. Typical.
Eventually after a few months of being a net drain, she threw a tantrum about "white beauty standards," (literally just don't be fat, annoying, and ugly), like my boss wasn't the baldest man there ever was or there weren't any other browns at work, tried to claim disability and get WFH privileges. My boss was pretty savvy and documented everything, so that didn't pan out, and then she quit with no notice. I don't think they ever got her laptop back.
They all think they're better than us, but the difference with Brahmins is they refuse to hide their hatred.
As a reminder, Jeets view blue collar workers to be someone even lower than Dalits. And that right there is one of the key reasons why Pajeetland never got their Superpower status.
Won't be surprised if the Jeets with their shit-stained money have tried getting some Spic gangbanger to do greater India things. But what might complicate this is the fact the Chinks have also been using Cartels to push fent into the US in order to weaken it by poisoning the populace. (People ODing on Fent or Fent-tainted drugs is a recurring problem here in Commiefornia)
This can either work with the Cartels just taking the support from the two countries vying to screw over America, or the Jeets might get uppity enough to make the Chinks tell the Cartels in their pocket to reject the shit stained money. Probably the latter since Jeets can't help themselves but brag because it boosts their izzat somehow.
The reason I refer to them as the flood is because theres no other way to describe them. An unrelenting torrent of biomass that tries to infest anywhere they are able to access, their appearance and habits being repugnant help solidify the image of the flood from halo, which is always more effective when paired with a few rounds of PINDIA on streetview.
Thankfully, unlike the Flood (or the Infestation in Warframe), they are unable to infect people and forcibly convert living or dead organisms into new Jeets. But another fictional race that is a favored comparison to them are the Skaven. Except they cannot invent anything functional for shit and are far too bumbling to be subtle. But the large numbers, their need to make parallel societies in locations they infect and the trash they produce makes them an apt comparison.
This foul race also worships an evil and very malicious god that they happily give their lives to on top of defiling everything in his name... kinda like how the Jeets just love imposing their faith through pollution. (Statues in the river, shit-flinging, cow wastes, etc).
As an added bonus, Chaos Dwarves absolutely love enslaving all other races except Skaven. Because even they can understand that Skaven don't break like all other slaves and will inevitably turn their own warmachines against them one way or another. Shame our leaders are stupider and more malicious than Chaos Dwarves.
Hilariously, the HR Commissar would loathe the Jeet especially if they swung at her. And as the Jeet is forever thirsty for bobs and vagene, that wrinkly, tainted art hoe pussy is perfectly fine for Sukdeep.
As a Brit, and a plebeian one at that, I have a pretty uncomfortable relationship with what we call class. A huge amount of discrimination and nastiness goes on in the name of it, and I’ve actually experienced far more overt class discrimination than I have overt sexism.
Among their other terrible behaviours as a group, due to the above, this stuff really gets to me on a deep level. We’ve gone a long way on this country to get even a tiny bit of class mobility, and then you fuckers come in and have your retarded caste system. No. Fuck off with that. It’s antithetical to human dignity. Your culture is not compatible with ours
As a Brit, and a plebeian one at that, I have a pretty uncomfortable relationship with what we call class. A huge amount of discrimination and nastiness goes on in the name of it, and I’ve actually experienced far more overt class discrimination than I have overt sexism.
Among their other terrible behaviours as a group, due to the above, this stuff really gets to me on a deep level. We’ve gone a long way on this country to get even a tiny bit of class mobility, and then you fuckers come in and have your retarded caste system. No. Fuck off with that. It’s antithetical to human dignity. Your culture is not compatible with ours
It's a foundational principle of the republic that everyone is free and equal under the law, the abolition of class in America wasn't accidental. Also it was a big issue we had with New Spain/Mexico. It wasn't something we just didn't continue for ourselves Saxons. We actively got rid of the Spanish caste system as we spread west. There's no peasants in an American state, even if you were one back in Mexico.
The idea that their practices of caste can be openly tolerated when they are totally anathema to the ideas behind our nation AND our history is absurd.
You are not the body of the Brahma when you come to America, you come as an individual, or you should be deported back to India in my opinion.
However problematic or concerning it might be for the British, it's totally backwards to us, and it's something that will be a big problem with them. This is a totally irreconcilable position for Indians to take and makes them look extremely incompatible with our country.
They're not wrong that diversity training is counterproductive, though. It tends to either make people more -ist/-phobic or walk on eggshells around people with different characteristics instead of treating them like everyone else, and it reminds people of their characteristics when they don't want to think about them, and that makes them perform worse. "Stereotype threat" is well known, if you're constantly being reminded that you are a Dalit and that's heckin okay and valid even though lots of people might think you're worthless for it, you're going to do worse at your job than if you weren't thinking about it.
In my job the diversity training has only taught us new slurs and stereotypes to use on each other, which tbf is good for team building, we're all equally bigoted at each other and it's funny and we all get along.
the poojeet caste honestly operates very closely to black people, in that the light-skinned discriminate against the dark-skinned, although the discrimination is a two-way street for blacks, the darks will shun the lighter skinned in some instances.
Spotlighting India's would hopefully force blacks to talk about their personal obsession with skin tone and the sooner it happens the better.
Ehh, the lightskin vs darkskin shit is more so akin to the blonds vs brunettes. What I mean by comparison is this: it's not particularly serious and usually only comes up in dating discourse.
Translation for the entire article to save everyone a bunch of cope nonsense.
Look slavery is wrong and all but letting us have lower social castes that work as slaves is something we need to have in pur society to feel like home. Without it we would have to be held to western standards.
