Netflix's The Witcher series

[CWCissey]

Sorry, but I really need a place to vent about nu!fandom that's already created itself around the Netflix franchise and that makes me feel glad I got over being fan of the Witcher books in the early 00s.

It's frankly the first fandom I actively feel that influx of new people is a bad thing. But anyway. Maybe any one of you will lol as much as I did.

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She claims she read the books...

Looks like a fucking munchie if anything.

 

[annnanovichova]

Looks like a fucking munchie if anything.

You are very likely not wrong.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Sorry, but I really need a place to vent about nu!fandom that's already created itself around the Netflix franchise and that makes me feel glad I got over being fan of the Witcher books in the early 00s.

It's frankly the first fandom I actively feel that influx of new people is a bad thing. But anyway. Maybe any one of you will lol as much as I did.

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She claims she read the books...

Okay but it's canon that boys with weak constitutions don't survive the change. So you can cross off men with heart conditions or kidney issues. Also in this harsh semi-realistic fantasy world so called disabled people wouldn't last long with primitive medicine....

And I note their use of gender neutral language like it changes the fact all Witchers are MEN.

A witcher that survived the trial of grasses but with a permanent disability (which is certainly plausible. They can be perfectly healthy going into the trial and very fucked up coming out of it) of some kind and then compensated it with interesting magic or tools would actually be an interesting character. More Daredevil than America Chavez. But I don't think this is what that poster is thinking of.

They did try in books at least and it's explained exactly why it didn't work (because women have different genetics and endocrine systems. Triss even told Geralt to stop spiking Ciri with steroids to grow her muscles, because it will hurt her...), but I see those ppl totally ignoring (or knowing jack shit of lore) as seen in #witcherlass. Can I point out how boring all those design are and how clearly they are fans of aesthetics and not the lore? Like it's plainly stated that only Geralt had white hair...


It's canon that 8 out of 10 HEALTHY boys didn't survive. Witchers didn't even pick the unhealthy surprises to train, I think. And besides - there is magic that is capable of hardcore plastic surgeries, so my best guess, if somebody could afford it, they would just ask the court wizard how much would it cost to enable the child.

I think Ciri was somewhat considered a witcher, because she was the last person trained in the witcher arts and she calls herself that at some point. But she was very singular exception and still slightly above average human, not mutant.

Ciri was technically a witcher in the sense that the ideal witcher from the law of surprise folklore crap wouldn't actually need the mutations to be a witcher. Of course Ciri, not entirely unlike Renfri, had some other shit going on that made a violent career choice more reasonable for her.

Not sure what Rayla had going on though other than just being a hardass.

But yeah Triss made them stop giving Ciri most of the stimulants because they were going to interfere with her entrance into puberty. Ciri was almost a troon.

 

[annnanovichova]

Ciri was almost a troon.

Famous last words.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

So, I got around to watching this:

It's ok, narratively it's fairly accurate to the books(I read the first two). Obviously, it takes some liberities, but no adaptation is perfect...

I got used to the diversity stuff. At some point, I realized this is not faux Poland. Not in it's design, culture, or anything(other than names).

I even doubt Skellig will be faux Viking...

It's just, in my opinion, it kind of hurts it's world building. The tone of Witcher is a grounded dark fantasy. It looks a bit absurd when you have multiethnic humans in some backwater village. But, I digress...

It would have been much more interesting to expand the lore into different cultures(to explain the ethnicites). It's like they almost(almost)were played with idea in Vea/Tea.

The three leads are fine. Cavill settles in the role quite nicely. Yennefer is very good. Circi is the best performer on the show..

Triss is a horrible miscast. I don't know what they were thinking there. Even the black Fragellia is world's better than Triss...

Interestingly enough, they casted a good Triss(just in the wrong role).

Therica Wilsom Read, with Auburn Hair, would have been solid.

Yennifer fighting with swords, dumb and lazy...

The show looked cheap at times, but that will probably improve.

I didn't like the narrative structure of the show at all. I thought that was really piss poor. I was able to follow it from reading the first two books. But, I have to imagine it was challenging to a newcomer.

Not enough Geralt. In fact, despite being the central character, he is the least fleshed out.

The music sucks donkey dick...

 

[InsolentGaylord]

So, I got around to watching this:

It's ok, narratively it's fairly accurate to the books(I read the first two). Obviously, it takes some liberities, but no adaptation is perfect...

I got used to the diversity stuff. At some point, I realized this is not faux Poland. Not in it's design, culture, or anything(other than names).

I even doubt Skellig will be faux Viking...

It's just, in my opinion, it kind of hurts it's world building. The tone of Witcher is a grounded dark fantasy. It looks a bit absurd when you have multiethnic humans in some backwater village. But, I digress...

It would have been much more interesting to expand the lore into different cultures(to explain the ethnicites). It's like they almost(almost)were played with idea in Vea/Tea.

The three leads are fine. Cavill settles in the role quite nicely. Yennefer is very good. Circi is the best performer on the show..

Triss is a horrible miscast. I don't know what they were thinking there. Even the black Fragellia is world's better than Triss...

Interestingly enough, they casted a good Triss(just in the wrong role).

Therica Wilsom Read, with Auburn Hair, would have been solid.

Yennifer fighting with swords, dumb and lazy...

The show looked cheap at times, but that will probably improve.

I didn't like the narrative structure of the show at all. I thought that was really piss poor. I was able to follow it from reading the first two books. But, I have to imagine it was challenging to a newcomer.

Not enough Geralt. In fact, despite being the central character, he is the least fleshed out.

The music sucks donkey dick...

Wow that sounds amazing and not at all praised due to mindless consoomer fanboys and people with a shitty taste in entertainment.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

Wow that sounds amazing and not at all praised due to mindless consoomer fanboys and people with a shitty taste in entertainment.

To be fair, it's better than I thought it was going to be.

I thought it was going to be an absolute abomination....

It turned out to be a compotent adaptation with shoddy production, and some questionable choices....

It's decent enough to watch the premier of the second season....

Nitpick: why the fuck is Geralt hugging Circi in their first encounter? It seems so unbelievably silly...

The book handles it WAY better with Geralt being bewildered. The series rushes events WAY too much..

My only guess is that they want to get to Circi Witcher training as soon as possible. It feels really sloppy and forced...

Also, I'll give up on the show if they fetishize being a Witcher...

The book makes it very clear being a Witcher fucking sucks. It's not a good fate for anyone.

 

[Shitassdeaddude]

Wow that sounds amazing and not at all praised due to mindless consoomer fanboys and people with a shitty taste in entertainment.

Remember: Liking things is bad. Only sheep like things.

 

[Sayon]

The biggest question for the show is this:

Will it remember that the empire did nothing wrong, ever?

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

To be fair, it's better than I thought it was going to be.

I thought it was going to be an absolute abomination....

It turned out to be a compotent adaptation with shoddy production, and some questionable choices....

It's decent enough to watch the premier of the second season....

Nitpick: why the fuck is Geralt hugging Circi in their first encounter? It seems so unbelievably silly...

The book handles it WAY better with Geralt being bewildered. The series rushes events WAY too much..

My only guess is that they want to get to Circi Witcher training as soon as possible. It feels really sloppy and forced...

Also, I'll give up on the show if they fetishize being a Witcher...

The book makes it very clear being a Witcher fucking sucks. It's not a good fate for anyone.

Geralt and Ciri not meeting prior to this as they did in the books seriously hurts the relationship.

The biggest question for the show is this:

Will it remember that the empire did nothing wrong, ever?

I doubt the show is going to be a big fan of chattel slavery, deliberate extermination of large swathes of population for the purpose of clearing land for military colonists, or destruction of cities to improve the competitive power of mercantile guilds, no.

 

[AbyssStarer]

Rumors are spreading that there's an animated Witcher series, in the vein of Castlevania, coming to Netflix.

I wish I hadn't started getting the books a month before the Netflix series was announced. I can't find them without this shitty Netflix emblem on the cover anymore. Why do they have to print it on the cover? It's not like it's hard to tell they're the same franchise.

 

[Sayon]

Geralt and Ciri not meeting prior to this as they did in the books seriously hurts the relationship.


I doubt the show is going to be a big fan of chattel slavery, deliberate extermination of large swathes of population for the purpose of clearing land for military colonists, or destruction of cities to improve the competitive power of mercantile guilds, no.

Leave it to Netflix to shill cuck/slave morals.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Rumors are spreading that there's an animated Witcher series, in the vein of Castlevania, coming to Netflix.

I wish I hadn't started getting the books a month before the Netflix series was announced. I can't find them without this shitty Netflix emblem on the cover anymore. Why do they have to print it on the cover? It's not like it's hard to tell they're the same franchise.

Before then you had inappropriate art from Witcher 2. Geralt doesn't fight a draug at any point in the series but there's one on the cover. Bookfans have always had to deal with this. I hope that rumor is correct because frankly animation is the best medium for fantasy.

Leave it to Netflix to shill cuck/slave morals.

The books didn't like Nilfgaard either. In fact the books depict every nation as being fairly shit. But Nilfgaard more so. So you can't really blame Netflix.

 

[Sayon]

Nifgaard's empire has the only lands where elves weren't shot on sight or forced into ghettos.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Nifgaard's empire has the only lands where elves weren't shot on sight or forced into ghettos.

Because they're all in reservations and not allowed to leave.

Nilfgaard as elf lovers is a mix of both Northern and Nilfgaardian propaganda. The North trumpets it to rally the people against them. Nilfgaard trumpets it (in the North) to convince the nonhumans in enemy territory to rise up and fight for them. The reality in the Empire is different.

The only fairly good nation was the Pontar valley under Saskia and that doesn't even exist in the books.

 

[ElAbominacion]

Upper Aedirn will be forever in our hearts.

Reiterating, though: Hissrich is a piss-poor choice as a showrunner, and like @Your Weird Fetish said, that choice was made because she's cheap and will sell out any artistic integrity for woke points.

The series is supposed to feel gritty and moody, like the books were, like the games were, but it doesn't quite reach that point. It falls short of actually doing so thanks to the great-but-immersion-breaking musical performances of Jaskier, the Yennefer scenes which in my honest opinion are terrible from scene 1 to the end, the horribly miscast characters that reveal there is an agenda afoot, to the scrotum armor the Nilfgaardians use.

 

[Shitassdeaddude]

Upper Aedirn will be forever in our hearts.

Reiterating, though: Hissrich is a piss-poor choice as a showrunner, and like @Your Weird Fetish said, that choice was made because she's cheap and will sell out any artistic integrity for woke points.

The series is supposed to feel gritty and moody, like the books were, like the games were, but it doesn't quite reach that point. It falls short of actually doing so thanks to the great-but-immersion-breaking musical performances of Jaskier, the Yennefer scenes which in my honest opinion are terrible from scene 1 to the end, the horribly miscast characters that reveal there is an agenda afoot, to the scrotum armor the Nilfgaardians use.

The scrotum armor is symbolic of the patriarchy. Next season we find out their generals have penis helmets.

 

[GaddafyTheLooneyDuck]

Digged around and found something interesting. A while ago Sapkowski gave an interview to Eurogamer's Polish outlet regarding complaints coming from the fans towards Netflix adaptation, in which he defended black elves by continuing to claim that The Witcher being based on Slavic mythology is a myth and adding that his books actually do not mention anyone's skin colors, so it's possible for them to be black. Now, here is what's problematic with his statement. He wrote a book about The Witcher's mythological creatures and characters named "Bestiary", which says that elves have a really light-skin and even can't get a tan. And on top of that he also stated that have he written The Witcher today, protagonist would have been a female.

Great job on shitting yourself, Sapkowski.

 

[ElAbominacion]

Digged around and found something interesting. A while ago Sapkowski gave an interview to Eurogamer's Polish outlet regarding complaints coming from the fans towards Netflix adaptation, in which he defended black elves by continuing to claim that The Witcher being based on Slavic mythology is a myth and adding that his books actually do not mention anyone's skin colors, so it's possible for them to be black. Now, here is what's problematic with his statement. He wrote a book about The Witcher's mythological creatures and characters named "Bestiary", which says that elves have a really light-skin and even can't get a tan. And on top of that he also stated that have he written The Witcher today, protagonist would have been a female.

Great job on shitting yourself, Sapkowski.

"Her alabaster skin" -- this about Fringilla

 

[Stab You in the Back]

And on top of that he also stated that have he written The Witcher today, protagonist would have been a female.

Great job on shitting yourself, Sapkowski.

Its a stupid thing to say, but its not entirely inaccurate. The Witcher is a highly derivative work, borrowing heavily from fantasy stories that the author grew up reading (Tolkien, Elric, Conan, early D&D, etc.). Suffice it to say, if Sapkowski grew up 30 years later, he would've been exposed to a much different canon of fantasy novels, with very different tropes. The female protagonist whose only defining characteristic is being female is very much a trope of modern fantasy and is, sadly, going to remain an element in the stories of people who are now being influenced by modern fantasy.

Sapkowski was probably just virtue signalling, but, again, he's probably also right: if he wrote the Witcher today, the Witcher would probably be a black lesbian fighting racism in fantasy poland because that's what most modern fantasy is about.