Murdering Children

[Alec Benson Leary]

That's probably because humans and apes are the only animals that can actually "murder", as in, are capable of specifically targeting and killing a specific other animal for purposes other than food or defending territory.

Elephants have been proven to do it too.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Elephants have been proven to do it too.

Elephants are also smart, like humans and apes. Stands to reason.

 

[Maiden-TieJuan]

As a parent, I can tell you that the one thing that can destroy a person completely is the murder or molestation of their child. Take this from my old home town:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Merced-massacre-dad-kills-4-kids-self-2860487.php
Well known area vet marries a Fresno police officer. She has kids from another marriage, and they have kids as well. They decide to seperate. She goes on a walk and comes home to find all the kids dead, and him dead of a self inflicted gunshot. He did it because he was hurt, and he wanted to destroy her completely, so he kills her kids. His anger was so great that it outpaced his love for his own kids, and he killed them all.

What makes a person do this shit? Anger, hurt, betrayal, possession of a person, and a million other things.

So
The reason people kill kids? To utterly destroy the parent.

 

[Zarkov]

Children are a waste. Murdering them makes the world a better place.

 

[Cute Anime Girl]

 

[AnOminous]

I don't condone it but it's no worse than killing an adult. The only reason why people think that it is worse than killing an adult is because children are cuter than adults and it's more emotionally painful for them to see/imagine children getting hurt. Same reason why people are more offended by the murder of women than men, girls are simply cuter.

The more cute a thing is the more repulsed we are when it gets hurt.

looks theory strikes again tbh

You are so totally full of bullshit.

For one thing, children can't possibly have done anything that makes them deserve to be killed. Virtually any adult has done at least something that could justify killing them.

For another, part of the harm of a murder is you have deprived the person you murder of their future life. A 90 year old has little life ahead of them. A child has the potential of as much as a century. The child has more to lose.

QED bitch.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Virtually any adult has done at least something that could justify killing them.

So says every fundy terrorist group, yes... killing is serious enough that we have to have very serious circumstances to justify it. I contest that the average adult has done anything bad enough to warrant it.

For another, part of the harm of a murder is you have deprived the person you murder of their future life. A 90 year old has little life ahead of them. A child has the potential of as much as a century. The child has more to lose.

Is it not that bad then if we kill a small child who is terminally ill and has very low odds of living more than a few years longer?

 

[The Kebab and Calculator]

have you been around them? they have this awful smell that's like old cheese and piss, and they're little assholes.

And the noise. The fucking noise.

 

[Jason Genova]

You are so totally full of bullshit.

For one thing, children can't possibly have done anything that makes them deserve to be killed. Virtually any adult has done at least something that could justify killing them.

For another, part of the harm of a murder is you have deprived the person you murder of their future life. A 90 year old has little life ahead of them. A child has the potential of as much as a century. The child has more to lose.

QED bitch.

"For one thing, children can't possibly have done anything that makes them deserve to be killed. Virtually any adult has done at least something that could justify killing them."

Disagree, children are just weak, they're actually worse behaved and more evil than adults. Have you ever taken like a toy away from a small child and just had them glare at you with pure hatred? If they in that moment gained the strength of early 30s brock lesnar they would kill you (or at least beat the shit out of you) without a second thought.

A lot of the time they don't just sit there and pout either, sometimes they actually run up to the adult and start throwing punches but nobody cares because you can just grab them and put them in time-out or whatever.

Same with non-reciprocated domestic violence, it's at least even between the sexes, some stats show that it's more common for women to beat men without reciprocation, but nobody cares because of strength difference (and cuteness).

This is why people think teenagers are cruel or mean, they have a weird mix of not having the empathy of a grown adult in their mid-20s yet being much stronger than a child. The reality of course is that seven year olds are actually more evil than teens, but not as capable as inflicting their cruelty as a 6ft tall 200lb fifteen year old boy.

Let me give you a hypothetical that's relevant:

Imagine you're walking around in a parking lot at night and somebody comes up behind you with a knife and tries to slice your throat, they try to reach around your neck to cut you but you grab their wrist just in time and shove them off and they run away, having done no harm to you.

Is he less evil than his doppelganger in an alternate universe who managed to decapitate you?

"For another, part of the harm of a murder is you have deprived the person you murder of their future life. A 90 year old has little life ahead of them. A child has the potential of as much as a century. The child has more to lose."

I guess if you mean in terms of time, though there are children who will get diseases or already have diseases that will cause them to die earlier than an average fifty year old.

In terms of accomplishments it would be better to kill an indian child than mel gibson, because despite how old mel gibson is it's almost certain he will accomplish more with his time left than the majority of indian children will in their entire lives.

 

[AnOminous]

So says every fundy terrorist group, yes... killing is serious enough that we have to have very serious circumstances to justify it. I contest that the average adult has done anything bad enough to warrant it.

This may be more a perception thing, but with adults, the "just world fallacy" always comes into play. You can always see the death of an adult as somehow deserved, even if the justification is contrived. "Shouldn't have been in that place" "shouldn't have dressed that way" "shouldn't have said that shit" or whatever.

It's a lot harder to invoke that fallacy with a child. "Shouldn't have. . .been a child. . .or something."

Is it not that bad then if we kill a small child who is terminally ill and has very low odds of living more than a few years longer?

If you read Peter Singer, possibly. If I take my own argument seriously, I have to consider that, at least. After all, the terminally ill child has nothing but suffering in his future. Perhaps it is actually best to do that.

Still, though, my train of logic may go that way, but my feelings don't. That kid could beat the odds and get better, and it should be up to the person suffering to make these decisions. Even that child could have a full lifetime ahead of them.

The 90 year old does not have a full lifetime ahead of him. He's just plain going to die soon.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

This may be more a perception thing, but with adults, the "just world fallacy" always comes into play. You can always see the death of an adult as somehow deserved, even if the justification is contrived. "Shouldn't have been in that place" "shouldn't have dressed that way" "shouldn't have said that shit" or whatever.

It's a lot harder to invoke that fallacy with a child. "Shouldn't have. . .been a child. . .or something."

But if that's a fallacy to begin with, then the whole idea is bad.

 

[AnOminous]

But if that's a fallacy to begin with, then the whole idea is bad.

That an argument is fallacious doesn't mean it's wrong, though.

If there are lots of fallacious arguments in support of something, it may mean that, despite the lack of any formally acceptable logical argument, the vast majority of people actually do agree with something and there are probably good reasons for it.

There's a name for this fallacy, too.

 

[Jason Genova]

If anything it's actually worse to kill an adult than a child, at least in my opinion.

Children know less restraint and many of them literally would kill people who make them mad if they could.

You may say that "children can't be evil because they don't know what they're doing/don't understand consequences or whatever", this makes us ask the question of "what is evil?". I would say the intent to harm or kill on purpose is "evil".

You might say that's stupid because animals kill and harm on purpose, and they can't be evil because they're dumb animals. This would lead to a second question, though "how smart does something have to be before it's intention can be evil?".

I still think the biggest reasons why people are more shocked by the hurting of children is the cute-factor (biggest reason), and the fact that you need plenty of healthy children if we are to have healthy adults in the future to maintain our "society" (amorphous concept).

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

You might say that's stupid because animals kill and harm on purpose, and they can't be evil because they're dumb animals. This would lead to a second question, though "how smart does something have to be before it's intention can be evil?"

I would say a certain degree of self-awareness is a minimum requirement. Even a 3-year-old is more self-aware than any animal I can think of, but I would say they need to grow quite a few more years before they can graduate from "being a dick" to evil.

 

[Overcast]

But what if the kid was Hitler?

That's the real question here.

 

[DumbDosh]

If someone killed a baby of mine I think there would be a point where it either developed a personality and I would be upset over the loss of life, or before that I would just be pissed that I had to go through 9 months+ just to replace it.

People are legitimately crazy about babies though in a biological way. There was this one thread online about a guy who pushed his baby brother off a countertop when he was like 3 or 4 and the toddler died and he felt guilty as hell and he told his parents as an adult to absolve himself, and his parents tried to have him imprisoned for it.

People will ruin their own lives and the lives of their other living children because of a dead kid or because of a life that could have been. I'm glad facebook has given these kinds of people an outlet to post their messed up pictures of dead mummified looking stillbirths because they think that's a totally sane thing to do.

Honestly though I remember being 10 or so and seeing one of those donate to starving african kids ads and getting extremely pissed off thinking "what heartless parents, why would you have a kid in such a shithole when you know you cant find food for him, why would you subject a kid to a life of misery" I got even madder when I was told in school that african families typically have more children because they expect a few or so to die off when they're young."

 

[Jason Genova]

speak of the devil, some legit child murder just occurred a few days ago, some ugly buck tooth kid mouthed off to some thug

just fucking lol at being brazilian

 

[TiggerNits]

Hey man, sometimes the ISR team paints the wrong fucking target because Al Qaeda keeps hiring midgets

 

[Scratch This Nut]

But what if the kid was Hitler?

That's the real question here.

I'd kill baby Hitler.

 

[Jonas]

why is this something that needs to be debated?