MPs back smoking ban for those born after 2009

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MPs have backed a plan to ban anyone born after 2009 from buying cigarettes, effectively ensuring it will become law.

The measures, championed by Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, survived despite opposition from several leading Tory figures - including two ex-PMs.

Health Secretary Victoria Atkins told MPs "there is no liberty in addiction" as she defended the plans.

The Tobacco and Vapes Bill passed by 383 votes to 67.

Speaking in the House of Commons, Ms Atkins said the plan would create a "smoke free generation".

However, several Tory MPs, including former prime minister Liz Truss, voted against the bill, arguing it would limit personal freedom.

Last week, ex-prime minster Boris Johnson called the smoking ban "absolutely nuts" during a speech at a Conservative conference in Ottawa, Canada.

"When the party of Winston Churchill wants to ban cigars, donnez-moi un break as they say in Quebec, it's just mad," he said.

Conservative MPs were given a free vote on the bill, meaning they were not ordered to vote with the government. But full support by Labour's front bench ensured the measures passed.

There are still several more steps needed before it becomes law, such as votes in the House of Lords, but it is possible that the bill could now become law before the general election, expected in the second half of 2024.

Labour's shadow health and social secretary Wes Streeting accused Mr Sunak of "putting the bill at risk" by granting a free vote "because he is too weak to stand up to the Liz Truss-wing of his party".

"If we are privileged enough to form the next government, Labour will implement this ban, so young people today are even less likely to smoke than they are to vote Conservative," he added.

In total 57 Tory MPs voted against the bill, including Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch and Conservative Party Deputy Chair Jonathan Gullis.

Foreign Office minister Anne-Marie Trevelyan also signalled her opposition but ultimately abstained on the vote.

Lee Anderson, an ex-deputy chair of the Conservative Party who defected to Reform UK last month, also voted against the bill.

Mr Sunak used his conference speech in October of last year to unveil his plans to ban people born after 1 January 2009 from buying tobacco products.
'Free society'

The debate on Tuesday was MPs first chance to debate the legislation implementing the ban.

Ms Truss was one of the first to speak against the bill, telling the House of Commons it risked infantilising people.

"It is very important that until people have decision-making capability while they are growing up that we protect them but I think the whole idea that we can protect adults from themselves is hugely problematic."

Her concern was echoed by some of her fellow Conservative MPs.

Former immigration minister Robert Jenrick, tipped as a potential contender to run for the Tory leadership, also came out against the policy.

On social media he said he was against the bill because he "believes in personal freedom".

"I also believe in the principle of equality under the law. A phased ban of smoking would be an affront to that," he added.

Former minister Sir Jake Berry said he was more concerned about "the addiction of the government to telling people what to do" than he was about people addicted to nicotine.

"I want to live in a free society where I am free to make both good and bad decisions."

Ms Atkins said she understood their concerns about "banning things" but defended the bill arguing: "Nicotine robs people of their freedom to choose."

"The vast majority of smokers start when they are young, and three quarters say that if they could turn back the clock they would not have started."

Earlier in the day, England's chief medical officer Sir Chris Whitty said once people become addicted to smoking "their choice is taken away".

"When I was a junior doctor doing surgery I remember the tragedy of seeing people, whose legs had had to be cut off because of the smoking that had damaged their arteries, outside the hospital weeping as they lit up because they were trapped by addiction - that is not choice."

The bill also aims to make vapes less appealing to children, with new restrictions on flavours and packaging.

Trading standards officers would also get new powers to issue on-the-spot £100 fines to shops selling tobacco or vapes to children, with all the money raised going towards further enforcement.

Figures show that one in five children has tried vaping despite it being illegal for under-18s, while the number of children using vapes has tripled in the past three years.
 
I like to joke that a tobacco executive must've really pissed off the Jews for things like this to keep happening.
 
Rate me controversial here, but if I could, I would take every last ounce of tobacky, put it in a rocket and shoot it up to the moon.
Honestly I might be convinced to support this law if it reduces the number of people mixing tobacco in with their joints, I fucking hate how that's the default here. The Americans and Canadians have the right idea in smoking pure green
 
Honestly I might be convinced to support this law if it reduces the number of people mixing tobacco in with their joints, I fucking hate how that's the default here. The Americans and Canadians have the right idea in smoking pure green
iirc part of that is in shithole europe places they got hash a lot more than weed, so they would pad out joints with tobacco
 
This was trialled in New Zealand. They're rolling it back to get more tax money and the minority representatives are crying that it violates human rights and is racist to repeal a law that protects the native women who are a small minority but do most of the cigarette smoking. The ruling National party has indicated that it is creating demand for black market cigarettes which are fuelling ram raids where tobacco is a primary target. It's a mess. This law helps nobody.

Here's a link explaining the repeal and how upset the natives are at the government letting them smoke again.
 
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What personal freedoms, you fuckers thrown a man into prison over polite stickers and you fined people over their dog doing nazi salutes, harrased women over complaints over perverts in dresses. Stop pretending there is freedom in Britain.
LOOK YOU NAZI FUCKING CHUD YOU FASCIST CHUD FUCKS NEED TO DIE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MURDER CHILDREN SO FUCK YOUR FREEDOM ~London antifa faggot.
Nearly every form of government tyranny is preceded with cries of "It's for your own good citizen!" and "Think of the children!"
NO YOU JUST WANT TO UHHH MURDER CHILDREN BY FORCING THEM TO SMOKE!!!!
~inarticilste screeching on reddit.
 
They'll just replace it with a tax on meat or owning a vehicle. I'd expect that sort of tax will start in Sweden or the Netherlands or another terminally pozzed country, get imported to London and Scotland, hit the rest of the UK and from there spread to the rest of the Anglosphere.
This decade is awful enough but not even being allowed to own property or eat what you want sounds like a nightmare.

Also I love this movie, it's got a lot of great moments.
 
This was trialled in New Zealand. They're rolling it back to get more tax money and the minority representatives are crying that it violates human rights and is racist to repeal a law that protects the native women who are a small minority but do most of the cigarette smoking. The ruling National party has indicated that it is creating demand for black market cigarettes which are fuelling ram raids where tobacco is a primary target. It's a mess. This law helps nobody.
I suspect that this idea of "ban cigarettes for everyone born after X year" is going to keep floating around until one country bites the bullet and tries it out.

The problem is that smoking rates were in decline anyway - hardly anyone in the UK under 25 smokes these days, for Gen Z it's all about vapes and zyn. The chances of someone born in 2009 ever picking up a cigarette were already fairly slim - if anything, I suspect this law will make it more likely some of them will start. Never underestimate the power of spite.

What the UK was already doing was working in reducing smoking, so to replace a proven and effective strategy (plain packaging, bans on shop displays and advertising, etc.) to instead be a guinea pig for an untested but "clever" idea seems a little bit irresponsible to me.
 
Retired me is going to make a killing selling cigarettes to 30 year olds. Do you think 30 year olds will hang around outside corner shops waiting for an old guy to go in like underage kids do now, “OI mista, buy us ten fags” .
 
UK is a Guinea pig for an untested but "clever" idea seems a little bit irresponsible to me.
New Zealand had a goal to be "smoke-free" by 2025 by using this law that they had already passed during 2022. Unfortunately the native women were pushing that back to 2060+ because the high prices, plain packaging, and quitting services don't stop them, and they are determined to continue. Why ban a high tax producing product for a country in debt for a small percentage of people who are determined to damage themselves?

Also, this was a mainly fiscal position because the rate of money the taxpayers were paying to fix people full of cancer from smoking was a lot. Public health systems end up in a nanny state because it's not financially reasonable to fix people who are damaging themselves on purpose, so they just ban people from hurting themselves.

You see the same logic in the Road To Zero plan in NZ and other countries where they make you drive really slow everywhere and spend millions making bumper rails on roads so you stop dying. They really do think it is possible to have zero deaths from motor vehicle accidents every year. How far will they go to achieve that? Yet to be seen.
 
I'm going to bet $20 vapes are going to be found to be worse for you than ciggies within my lifetime, ditto for weed.
I'll stick to my occasional gas station cigarillo here in freedomistan.
 
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