Misophonia

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Misophonia makes retail work hell. Well, an even deeper level of hell than retail already is. It's surprisingly hard to help someone when every fiber of your being is telling you to strangle them because they're chewing gum with their mouth open. Or smacking their lips. Or sniffling. Or pronouncing their S's too sharply/dragging them out too long. Or a billion other stupid reasons because your brain doesn't know how to function normally.

White noise doesn't do much for me, it's usually not loud enough to block out unwanted sounds. I'll use earplugs if I'm trying to sleep or listen to loud dumb music if I'm awake. Ironic that my hate of sounds that most people don't even notice has lead me to enjoy music that many people can't stand.

Do any of you know why certain stimuli affect you? Some of my triggers link to bad manners (like open-mouth chewing or belching), and I can tie my hate of licking-fingers-to-flip-paper to my school librarian constantly telling kids not to do that. But most I can't place.
 
This isn't bait, but misophonia is actually related to Autism. OPL has it I believe. Kengle actually enjoys the sound of hookers shrieking, so I guess it is a mixed bag.
 
Takoyaki Towne dijo:
Oh, how many of you always listened to white noise? I have since I'd been very young, and nowadays can't sleep without it. If I go on vacation, my white noise machine is coming with me.
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When I was a kid, I would listen to lullaby cassette tapes - back then I didn't have the same issue with rhythmic sounds or voices as I do now. When I went to my best friend's for a sleepover, I'd insist that she put on the audiobook reading of Harry Potter that she had so I could fall asleep to that too. When I stopped listening to the cassettes, the sound of the above-head fan and, later, the window AC unit ended up kind of taking their place, without me really realizing it, and so here I am running my AC at all times even in the dead of winter for white noise purposes. I have a sound machine on my nightstand, and I think I used to use it in winter when the AC wasn't practical, but it's been a long time since I've actually used it since having the AC constantly running is easier for me (though maybe not for my parents' electrical bill, heh).

I keep forgetting to take it on trips since I don't use it regularly and the result is that I have trouble sleeping in hotels or at relatives'/friends' houses. Sleeping pills help patch the difference, but it's still noticeable.
 
Does anyone else have the white noise app? Honestly, it's a life saver to sleep. Personally, I am ok with my low, more rhythmic sounds. It's the irregularity of a lot of noises that will also drive me up a wall.
Eg: The neighbor kid playing basketball at 10am on saturday. He never makes it into the hoop. It constantly hits the backboard and bounces back into the street. I want to go outside and yell about how he's white and should give up his NBA dreams. That and he's 16 and if he sucks that bad after years of hitting and missing, he ain't getting better.
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one that needs white noise to fall asleep! Usually, I keep my fan on for it. Not only does it keep air flowing but it prevents the oxymoron loud sound of silence keeping me awake.

The only example of misophonia I might have that I can think of is my reaction to the sound of a wet cloth being wiped over a plastic table cloth. The noise makes a horrendous high-pitched racket and I can't help but flinch and shudder when I hear it. It's a mostly uncontrollable response.
 
I've never been able to stand chalk on a chalkboard. Since I was little I've had to grit my teeth to write on one. I react similarly but more intensely to ripping paper.
 
Whisper dijo:
Misophonia, literally "hatred of sound", is a rarely diagnosed disorder, commonly thought to be of neurological origin, in which negative emotions (anger, fright, hatred, disgust) are triggered by specific sounds. The sounds can be loud or soft.

People who have misophonia are most commonly angered by specific sounds, such as lip-smacking, slurping, throat-clearing, nail-clipping, chewing, drinking, tooth-brushing, breathing, sniffing, talking, sneezing, yawning, walking, gum-chewing or popping, laughing, snoring, swallowing, gulping, burping, clicking dentures, typing, coughing, humming, whistling, singing, certain consonants, or repetitive sounds.[13][14] Sufferers experience fight/flight symptoms such as sweating, muscle tension, and quickened heartbeat. Some are also affected by visual stimuli, such as repetitive foot or body movements, fidgeting, or movement they observe out of the corners of their eyes. Intense anxiety and avoidance behaviour often develops, which can lead to decreased socialization. Some people feel the compulsion to mimic what they hear or see.[15] Mimicry is an automatic, non-conscious, and social phenomenon. It has a palliative aspect, making the sufferer feel better. The act of mimicry can elicit compassion and empathy, which ameliorates and lessens hostility, competition, and opposition. There is also a biological basis for how mimicry reduces the suffering from a trigger.[6]

Individual reports of extreme emotions in response to triggers have been empirically validated by measuring the skin conductance of misophonic individuals exposed to sustained trigger stimuli.[1] Skin conductance began increasing 2 seconds after trigger onset and continued to increase for the duration of the trigger.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misophonia]
[http://www.misophonia.com/symptoms-triggers/]

Misophonia is something I've suffered from my whole life, repetitive sounds and fidgeting bothering me for some reason I hadn't understood until diagnosis. But even then, I don't know what causes it or why certain sounds bother me and some don't. For example, tapping, humming, and soft singing bother me most, while others hear water dripping or people chewing something crunchy and go completely off the wall at the sound. It makes them want to either lash out or run away.

It's stated on the homepage of http://www.misophonia.com/ that it's not a hypersensitivity to sound, but instead an emotional/psychological response. In my experience, that's true, but it's still an odd concept.

Thoughts?
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My only thought is that I wish I could rate people powerlevel in Deep Thoughts.
Who the fuck cares about your goddamn disease?
 
I am sure we all find sounds of one kind or another irritating, but it is my duty to inform you guys: this is pretty solidly in the "trypophobia" category. Like, this is 99% in your head, almost certainly. Like, one step up from tumblr "triggers" just barely. Barely.

Indeed, I would like to cite a piece from one of OP's links:

"Misophonia is not recognized as a disorder by standard diagnostic criteria in the DSM-5 or the ICD-10, and there is no evidence-based research on its prevalence or treatment.[1]"

And further

"The diagnosis of misophonia is not recognized in the DSM IV or the ICD 10, and it is not classified as an audiological, neurological, or psychiatric disorder.[3] It is not included in the DSM-5.[4] It may be a form of sound–emotion synesthesia, and has parallels with some anxiety disorders.[1]"

Saying you have Misophonia because tapping bothers you is like saying you're a fox person because you like to jump on your couch or some shit.

> not recognized
> no evidence
> totally legit?

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Next thing you know, people are going to talk about how they're special snowflakes because they prefer spoons to forks or some shit. Everyone "has" this because it is just part and parcel to being human. Some sounds are grating and horrible, others are not. For everyone. Therefore, it is not a disorder. It is the norm.
 
Yeah I'm not gonna classify it as a disorder, but I want to fucking execute people who chew really loudly. C'mon, son, you're not a goddamn animal.

I won't say "misophonic" but I will say "really fucking annoyed"
 
Gym Leader Elesa dijo:
I am sure we all find sounds of one kind or another irritating, but it is my duty to inform you guys: this is pretty solidly in the "trypophobia" category. Like, this is 99% in your head, almost certainly. Like, one step up from tumblr "triggers" just barely. Barely.

Indeed, I would like to cite a piece from one of OP's links:

"Misophonia is not recognized as a disorder by standard diagnostic criteria in the DSM-5 or the ICD-10, and there is no evidence-based research on its prevalence or treatment.[1]"

And further

"The diagnosis of misophonia is not recognized in the DSM IV or the ICD 10, and it is not classified as an audiological, neurological, or psychiatric disorder.[3] It is not included in the DSM-5.[4] It may be a form of sound–emotion synesthesia, and has parallels with some anxiety disorders.[1]"

Saying you have Misophonia because tapping bothers you is like saying you're a fox person because you like to jump on your couch or some shit.

> not recognized
> no evidence
> totally legit?

Edit for grammar and final thoughts:

Next thing you know, people are going to talk about how they're special snowflakes because they prefer spoons to forks or some shit. Everyone "has" this because it is just part and parcel to being human. Some sounds are grating and horrible, others are not. For everyone. Therefore, it is not a disorder. It is the norm.
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There's more and more clear evidence building that the brain of someone with misophonia is structurally different than people without it. The evidence for it being a real disorder grows all the time and is increasing drastically lately. I'm 100% certain I have this and I have to say that it runs my entire life. When I eat with family, I need to wear ear plugs. When my cat cleans himself, I need to wear earplugs. I must leave the room if someone is chewing gum because if I don't, I will have a panic attack. If someone is sniffling their nose, the only way I can describe the feeling I get is that a loved one is being murdered in front of me and there's nothing I can do about it. All of this is out of my control. It's actually a lot worse than I'm saying here but I I think I've gone into it enough. I think a lot of people who are saying they have this are full of shit but I could never know for sure how they really feel. There's a difference between a sound pissing you off and a sound forcibly making you have a complete meltdown. I'm sorry for the rant and necro thread but I had to tell you my experiences because I believe you are wrong with your assessment. I hope I wasn't off-putting.

Please read this, it has a lot of new information since this thread was made:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/noises/201702/misophonia-breakthrough-study-0
 
Not gonna lie, there's a really good chance I have this. All my life I couldn't stand the sound of people chewing with their mouths open, which is a huge problem considering almost everyone in my immediate family is seemingly incapable of chewing with their mouths shut (It's still a gigantic pain in the ass to this day, though I've gotten better with not being a sped about it and just wince my way through a lot of dinners). Basically chewing with your mouth open and sniffling are my main two auditory pet peeves.
 
YourUnclesDad dijo:
There's more and more clear evidence building that the brain of someone with misophonia is structurally different than people without it. The evidence for it being a real disorder grows all the time and is increasing drastically lately. I'm 100% certain I have this and I have to say that it runs my entire life. When I eat with family, I need to wear ear plugs. When my cat cleans himself, I need to wear earplugs. I must leave the room if someone is chewing gum because if I don't, I will have a panic attack. If someone is sniffling their nose, the only way I can describe the feeling I get is that a loved one is being murdered in front of me and there's nothing I can do about it. All of this is out of my control. It's actually a lot worse than I'm saying here but I I think I've gone into it enough. I think a lot of people who are saying they have this are full of shit but I could never know for sure how they really feel. There's a difference between a sound pissing you off and a sound forcibly making you have a complete meltdown. I'm sorry for the rant and necro thread but I had to tell you my experiences because I believe you are wrong with your assessment. I hope I wasn't off-putting.

Please read this, it has a lot of new information since this thread was made:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/noises/201702/misophonia-breakthrough-study-0
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I took awhile trying to decipher whether or not this was a serious post. I feel like it is. If not, disregard the following.

I'm real sorry for you bud and that study is interesting, but considering its abysmally high rate of self-diagnosis and lack of widespread medical corroboration, and overlap with other disorders, I have my doubts. That said the study does seem interesting, although one study does not a disorder make. If people keep working at it maybe I'll eat crow, but it still reeks of bullshit at first glance to me. Best of luck with your autism. I hope you get the treatment you need one day.
 
Gym Leader Elesa dijo:
I took awhile trying to decipher whether or not this was a serious post. I feel like it is. If not, disregard the following.

I'm real sorry for you bud and that study is interesting, but considering its abysmally high rate of self-diagnosis and lack of widespread medical corroboration, and overlap with other disorders, I have my doubts. That said the study does seem interesting, although one study does not a disorder make. If people keep working at it maybe I'll eat crow, but it still reeks of bullshit at first glance to me. Best of luck with your autism. I hope you get the treatment you need one day.
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I am serious and thanks lol. I even remember the first time a sound pattern did this to me. I was 8 years old and my mom told my dad to stop chewing with his mouth open when we were eating. From that day on the sounds started affecting me. I don't know how that plays into it but it's something. For years and years I always thought I was just an asshole who was grumpy but could never understand why I was because there was no logical reason to be angry over certain sounds. Most people who say they have this problem say it started around that age too. Oh well fml.

edit: This is probably a symptom of a bigger problem. I can't see how this could ever go away without me being heavily sedated all the time or something like that. :(
 
When I was six months old I had a severe double ear infection that left me with extremely sensitive hearing. To this day whenever I go outside I usually wear headphones to help dull the sound and I make a point of avoiding events like fireworks shows because I get really bad migraines if I hear loud sounds like that.

As a side note, if you ever want to really piss off a children's entertainer, cover your ears whenever they obnoxiously blow their nose or loudly pretend to sneeze or loudly pretend to cough. When I taught at the Special needs camp, there would usually be at least one instance during the week where one of our performers would be sent home after throwing a tantrum because one of the Sensory Integration dysfunction kids would cover their ears during a performance.
 
Misophonia is the perfect disorder for whining about on the internet - it's self diagnosed and basically impossible to admit to IRL if you're not an entitled shitlord. Like, I'm genuinely distressed by some very specific, ahem, triggers but I know I'm the one with the problem that needs getting over - I have no right to get this upset about someone making a noise when they eat, even if the distress is real.

*someone making repetitive movements in my peripheral vision/smacking lips*
Normal person: Hey Clovis, what the fuck is wrong with you now? Are...are you fucking crying?
Me: I have a neologism snowflake disorder and I can't handle being in a normal environment with other humans.
:(

I do wonder if it's a sensory processing thing. But I find it interesting that as many others report, it only happens around family and people you're close to. A stranger eating loudly is just a regular irritation. Mother eating next to me - I want to rip my own skin off.
 
Misophonia usually falls under the autism spectrum + AD(H)D umbrella, so if you have one of those there's a good chance you have what is considered misophonia to a degree. While every human has a specific noise they hate, with misophonia it's that you get so bothered by the volume or repetitive nature of a sound that your other senses get overrided. If you break the focus of an AD(H)D/autistic person, they instead direct their attention to whatever's distracted them, especially if it doesn't stop. That's also how it can be with noises that create a positive reaction (ie. a white noise maker), and as other people have mentioned can help with falling asleep since you focus on just the noise.

While the obvious solution is headphones or earplugs, some people don't want to resort to that because they want to be considered "normal" or think that it'd be rude to wear their noise-cancelling devices. They're a double edged sword for some people, since something larger like headphones can be considered "rude" and "inconsiderate" to someone who doesn't understand how misophonia or sensory processing disorders work. So it's not really just getting annoyed that someone's chewing or humming, it's becoming overwhelmed by the stimulation certain - often loud - noises can make.

Sorry for sperging, :powerlevel: I have noise-centered sensory processing issues under the diagnosis of ADHD-related misophonia :powerlevel:, and this something I know a bit too much about.
 
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