Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

[74164978231]

God no, those drone missions have like, a 20% hit rate. Much less reliable than lobbing a missile from a Reaper.

You can send 100 drones for the cost of launching a single hellfire from a reaper.

 

[WelperHelper99]

You can send 100 drones for the cost of launching a single hellfire from a reaper.

But the reaper comes back from it's mission and is invulnerable to 00 buckshot

 

[74164978231]

But the reaper comes back from it's mission

And? A handful of drones is still a fraction of the cost of the hellfire the reaper fired.

You need to embrace the capabilities new tech brings changing your tactics to them instead of trying to shoehorn new tech into your existing tactics. Its pants on head retarded to employ a drone exactly like you would an F-16 to drop ordnance.

and is invulnerable to 00 buckshot

So you send 10 drones at once overwhelming whoever was smart enough to bring a shotgun.

 

[WelperHelper99]

And?

You need to embrace the capabilities new tech brings changing your tactics to them instead of trying to shoehorn new tech into your existing tactics. Its pants on head retarded to employ a drone exactly like you would an F-16 to drop ordnance.

Drones are vulnerable to countermeasures in development. Microwave and laser weapons are either in testing or being fielded. Your drone swarm is useless against a microwave gun nuking your signal to the swarm all at once.

So you send 10 drones at once overwhelming whoever was smart enough to bring a shotgun.

Then you better hope they don't have a 50 cal with a belt feed. Do you see how this is escalating? Drones are fucking slow. WW2 AAA artillery is their hard counter.

 

[74164978231]

Drones are vulnerable to countermeasures in development. Microwave and laser weapons are either in testing or being fielded. Your drone swarm is useless against a microwave gun nuking your signal to the swarm all at once.

You think the people who are developing said lasers arent also making sure they are also effective against hellfires, helos and as many aerial threats as possible? Anyone who has a functional portable laser ciws system on the battlefield is going to be a serious problem for any air system.

So do you want to risk your $30 million dollar reaper, or a few dozen small cheap easily replaceable drones?

Then you better hope they don't have a 50 cal with a belt feed. Do you see how this is escalating? Drones are fucking slow. WW2 AAA artillery is their hard counter.

50 cal would be absolutely worthless against a small 3-4 foot diameter drone(and really pretty worthless for aa outside of low slow flying helos). While yes you can develop aa systems that can combat small drones, no towel head or rando third world type whose the target of your hellfire is ever going to employ such a system on their technical and trucks.

 

[WelperHelper99]

You think the people who are developing said lasers arent also making sure they are also effective against hellfires, helos and as many aerial threats as possible? Anyone who has a functional portable laser ciws system on the battlefield is going to be a serious problem for any air system.

So do you want to risk your $30 million dollar reaper, or a few dozen small cheap easily replaceable drones?

Hellfire is supersonic. The laser will have to track that vs a target not even going 100mph. Hellfire can also pen a meter of RHA steel. Drone can't lol.

50 cal would be absolutely worthless against a small 3-4 foot diameter drone(and really pretty worthless for aa outside of low slow flying helos). While yes you can develop aa systems that can combat small drones, no towel head or rando third world type whose the target of your hellfire is ever going to employ such a system on their technical and trucks.

Optimistic.

 

[TiggerNits]

Drones are vulnerable to countermeasures in development. Microwave and laser weapons are either in testing or being fielded. Your drone swarm is useless against a microwave gun nuking your signal to the swarm all at once.

Then you better hope they don't have a 50 cal with a belt feed. Do you see how this is escalating? Drones are fucking slow. WW2 AAA artillery is their hard counter.

The old EA6Bs could jam every freq drones can operate off of for a solid 40 mile radius, they could shut down hoppers and encrypted signals out to 60 with wide area denial, over 90 if it was single signal denial.

The growler is twice as good and we can fit some amazing equipment in everything from a Cessna 172 to a 737 and make it look like civil traffic while doing similar shit.

I assure you, drones are awesome weapons, but they are easier to defend against than IEDs with buried leads and random RPG ambushes against national guard units that pulled duty on the wing side of the wire.

 

[WelperHelper99]

The old EA6Bs could jam every freq drones can operate off of for a solid 40 mile radius, they could shut down hoppers and encrypted signals out to 60 with wide area denial, over 90 if it was single signal denial.

The growler is twice as good and we can fit some amazing equipment in everything from a Cessna 172 to a 737 and make it look like civil traffic while doing similar shit.

I assure you, drones are awesome weapons, but they are easier to defend against than IEDs with buried leads and random RPG ambushes against national guard units that pulled duty on the wing side of the wire.

Electronic warfare is something that gets missed often. Its easy to see a drone drop a little bomb and go "future", but that just means whoever you're fighting against is either not advanced enough to cut those signals, or doesn't want to blast his own frequencies too. It us the ultimate counter to the drone problem.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

It's not an entrenching tool it's an intrenching tool you fucking apes.

 

[74164978231]

Hellfire is supersonic. The laser will have to track that vs a target not even going 100mph. Hellfire can also pen a meter of RHA steel. Drone can't lol.

And light is just a tad bit faster than any hellfire.

Optimistic.

Clearly youve never fired an M2. Ive fired one and trust me you arent making precision shots against small agile hard to see targets with one.

Regardless, actual warfare has very clearly shown small arms are not remotely effective against drones. Russians and Ukrainians being slaughtered endessly the past 3 years has proven this.

The old EA6Bs could jam every freq drones can operate off of for a solid 40 mile radius, they could shut down hoppers and encrypted signals out to 60 with wide area denial, over 90 if it was single signal denial.

The growler is twice as good and we can fit some amazing equipment in everything from a Cessna 172 to a 737 and make it look like civil traffic while doing similar shit.

If drones where so easy to counter with ew Russains wouldnt have lost tens or thousands of men to them the past few years.

I assure you, drones are awesome weapons, but they are easier to defend against than IEDs with buried leads and random RPG ambushes against national guard units that pulled duty on the wing side of the wire.

I dont think people whove spent the past few years in eastern Ukraine would agree.

 

[TiggerNits]

And light is just a tad bit faster than any hellfire.

Clearly youve never fired an M2. Ive fired one and trust me you arent making precision shots against small agile hard to see targets with one.

Regardless, actual warfare has very clearly shown small arms are not remotely effective against drones. Russians and Ukrainians being slaughtered endessly the past 3 years has proven this.

If drones where so easy to counter with ew Russains wouldnt have lost tens or thousands of men to them the past few years.

I dont think people whove spent the past few years in eastern Ukraine would agree.

Did Fortnite cause this or did you get bullied real bad on War Thunder?

Did your mom feed you paint chips?

You think you can run AI on a cellphone independent of cloud operations

You think signals are unblockable for some unknown reasoning

You think Russia is a near-peer

You don't seem to grasp the concept of the only reason the Ukranian drone attacks are effective are because the West has strangled Russian logistics and tech ability through embargos, ELINT and straight up interdicting a 70s era military with minimum effort by proxy.

Ukraine exists to show you that the ONLY way to fight a true military super power anymore is nested insurgency or nuclear arms. We can jam and destroy every single radar, radio and signal source on the planet from land, air sea and FUCKING SPACE in les time than it takes to prep the missile they'd launch.

You'd be better off attacking a competent Western military with Fiats packed full of explosives on a manual trigger like Wile E Coyote meets Mohamed E. Shawarma than you would with a bunch of FPV drones trying to do whatever you saw in Black Ops 2 that gave you your first boner.

Son, I dunno where you're getting your understanding of tactical realities, but it's pretty retarded and gay.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Clearly youve never fired an M2. Ive fired one and trust me you arent making precision shots against small agile hard to see targets with one.

That is what FULL AUTO is for you retard. Do you even know how many planes 50 cal shot down in WW2 ALONE, not counting any other conflicts????

 

[geckogoy]

Yet another promising thread completely ruined by welper helper retardation

 

[The Grognard]

Regardless, actual warfare has very clearly shown small arms are not remotely effective against drones. Russians and Ukrainians being slaughtered endessly the past 3 years has proven this.

The main thing that has happened in regards to small arms is that now there's a new role for combat shotguns. Turns out, skeet shooting has suddenly become a very relevant sport in maintaining the skillset needed to get the most out of them.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Yet another promising thread completely ruined by welper helper retardation

The thread was made to curb the constant shitflinging in the Lazerpig thread. You can't come into a shitflinging thread and then say one guy shat it up. That's why we're here.

 

[74164978231]

You don't seem to grasp the concept of the only reason the Ukranian drone attacks are effective are because the West has strangled Russian logistics and tech ability through embargos, ELINT and straight up interdicting a 70s era military with minimum effort by proxy.

Ukraine exists to show you that the ONLY way to fight a true military super power anymore is nested insurgency or nuclear arms. We can jam and destroy every single radar, radio and signal source on the planet from land, air sea and FUCKING SPACE in les time than it takes to prep the missile they'd launch.

You'd be better off attacking a competent Western military with Fiats packed full of explosives on a manual trigger like Wile E Coyote meets Mohamed E. Shawarma than you would with a bunch of FPV drones trying to do whatever you saw in Black Ops 2 that gave you your first boner.

You say this when we live in a world where Libya has shot down US aircraft, Serbia shot down an F-117, Iraq shot down dozens of aircraft between GW1 and 2, Houthis endlessly fire ballistic missiles, drones etc. at targets all around the Arabian Pennisula.

Yes EW can be an effective tool, but to think of it has a switch that shuts down the battle space end of story is idiotic.

That is what FULL AUTO is for you retard. Do you even know how many planes 50 cal shot down in WW2 ALONE, not counting any other conflicts????

Ill let you in on a little secret as someone who has trigger time with an M2, the second you pull the trigger on an M2 against a drone sized target it vanishes behind the wall of smoke created by firing it, let alone it wont stay in your sight picture due to movement of the M2 from firing. Shooting down a fpv style drone with an M2 should be considered an act of god, not something remotely realistic.

The main thing that has happened in regards to small arms is that now there's a new role for combat shotguns. Turns out, skeet shooting has suddenly become a very relevant sport in maintaining the skillset needed to get the most out of them.

Yeah shotguns are the one small arms that have the ability to be effective against drones, at the very least it stops drone operators from flying up to targets and dancing around someone, taunting them before exploding. Pretty retarded neither side hasnt already equiped every swinging dick with a short double barrel shotgun with a dozen rounds of birdshot.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Yet another promising thread completely ruined by welper helper retardation

Nigger the subtitle of the thread is literally
"The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition" like some degree of shit flinging and arguing is the point of the thread.

 

[74164978231]

Yet another promising thread completely ruined by welper helper retardation

Oh Im sorry I thought this was the designated sperging thread.

 

[WelperHelper99]

The thread was made to curb the constant shitflinging in the Lazerpig thread. You can't come into a shitflinging thread and then say one guy shat it up. That's why we're here.

He's mad about something else lmao.

Ill let you in on a little secret as someone who has trigger time with an M2, the second you pull the trigger on an M2 against a drone sized target it vanishes behind the wall of smoke created by firing it, let alone it wont stay in your sight picture due to movement of the M2 from firing. Shooting down a fpv style drone with an M2 should be considered an act of god, not something remotely realistic.

Clearly that is a you problem. Load up some tracer, fit a anti aircraft sight and you'll be out flyswatting. Fuck, with new optics, you got red dots, thermals, shit that makes smoke a non issue.

 

[74164978231]

Clearly that is a you problem. Load up some tracer, fit a anti aircraft sight and you'll be out flyswatting. Fuck, with new optics, you got red dots, thermals, shit that makes smoke a non issue.

Now this is where you say real life is no way shape or form like call or duty.