Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Gar For Archer]

It's a common criticism of comics that nothing sticks. Whenever something gets completely convoluted or the writers have run out of things to do, retcons and relaunches are the order of the day. Hell, you even started to see the timeline of the MCU starting to get fucked up with Captain Marvel, and every time there's either time travel or multiverse stuff, the chronology fucks itself and the editors have no other recourse than to start again.

This has its positives and negatives. Usually this means there's a "starting point" for every character, and it's usually after the end of the original creator's run, like Spider-Man after the Stan Lee/Steve Ditko & John Romita and Gerry Conway/Gil Kane runs. Or it happens when a run that isn't written by the original creator but was so impactful that it's pretty much become the defining run like X-Men after Claremont or Daredevil after Miller. Pretty much everything X-Men after Claremont is considered one big fanfic by most fans. Everytime a new universe starts, people just assume it's after his run (Jean dead, Emma in the Hellfire club, Wolverine as the lone wolf, Cyclops as the depressed leader, etc.)

If after Black Widow the MCU starts to become less popular, expect a hiatus and an eventual, woker relaunch.

80 year long “continuities” are fucking stupid. What’s so wrong with dropping the pretense and just admitting that each new series takes place in its own continuity that will selectively borrow elements from previous stories, but are not beholden to them? That’s already what happens anyways but they keep wanting to pretend that everything is toooootally in the same timeline guise!!! Dropping the bullshit lets you tell better, self-contained stories, and you no longer have to address shit like reviving dead characters or retconning stupid shit because every story will just be its own thing where it’s understood that it’s not the same continuity as past stories unless specified.

Are they really THAT afraid that people will stop reading their fucking books if they finally stopped pretending that everything takes place in the same continuity? Then again, most comic book “collectors” are braindead retards who will happily give Marvel $5 for a book that they hate just because it says X-men on the cover with a number that counts up by one every month. So maybe they just know their audience.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

It's a common criticism of comics that nothing sticks. Whenever something gets completely convoluted or the writers have run out of things to do, retcons and relaunches are the order of the day. Hell, you even started to see the timeline of the MCU starting to get fucked up with Captain Marvel, and every time there's either time travel or multiverse stuff, the chronology fucks itself and the editors have no other recourse than to start again.

80 year long “continuities” are fucking stupid. What’s so wrong with dropping the pretense and just admitting that each new series takes place in its own continuity that will selectively borrow elements from previous stories, but are not beholden to them? That’s already what happens anyways but they keep wanting to pretend that everything is toooootally in the same timeline guise!!! Dropping the bullshit lets you tell better, self-contained stories, and you no longer have to address shit like reviving dead characters or retconning stupid shit because every story will just be its own thing where it’s understood that it’s not the same continuity as past stories unless specified.

Are they really THAT afraid that people will stop reading their fucking books if they finally stopped pretending that everything takes place in the same continuity? Then again, most comic book “collectors” are braindead retards who will happily give Marvel $5 for a book that they hate just because it says X-men on the cover with a number that counts up by one every month. So maybe they just know their audience.

Apparently Fiege had some big meeting with a lot of the writers doing upcoming shit "setting the rules about the multiverse". As much as it sounds like it actually is playing a huge aspect in Spider-Man, that suggests to me he's more or less instructing everyone going forward it's pretty much off limits for everything except the biggest of "event"/team up movies (or when Sony wants to dangle a character they control as leverage). Which I'm fine with. I'm more optimistic about the apparent direction (their execution notwithstanding..) with the movies going forward. I think Fiege feels like he has a solid enough plan in store where it'll be at least coherently thought out.

My money is still on them waiting to see if there's an appetite for Eternals type "seriousness" -and even that's a big What If (lel) because when Marvel promises one thing they rarely actually deliver on that thing (is anyone actually expecting a Multiverse of Madness "horror movie"?), and if that flops and to what degree, they whip out the mutants as a back up plan. They didn't blow all that money on Fox to sit on the property.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

80 year long “continuities” are fucking stupid. What’s so wrong with dropping the pretense and just admitting that each new series takes place in its own continuity that will selectively borrow elements from previous stories, but are not beholden to them? That’s already what happens anyways but they keep wanting to pretend that everything is toooootally in the same timeline guise!!! Dropping the bullshit lets you tell better, self-contained stories, and you no longer have to address shit like reviving dead characters or retconning stupid shit because every story will just be its own thing where it’s understood that it’s not the same continuity as past stories unless specified.

Are they really THAT afraid that people will stop reading their fucking books if they finally stopped pretending that everything takes place in the same continuity? Then again, most comic book “collectors” are braindead retards who will happily give Marvel $5 for a book that they hate just because it says X-men on the cover with a number that counts up by one every month. So maybe they just know their audience.

As far as comics go, any time they try to hit the reset button they always fuck it up. The first thirty or so years of Marvel's continuity ran perfectly fine. It wasn't until the '90s when they tried to reset shit with events like the Clone Saga and Heroes Reborn that they began to have serious problems. Likewise, any time DC does a big Crisis event in an attempt to reset continuity they always fuck it up.

Long running continuity and good stand-alone stories aren't mutually exclusive. Roger Stern managed to tell great Spider-Man stories when he began his run on the character nearly 20 years into Spider-Man's continuity. Hell, Kurt Busiek managed to tell great Spider-Man stories that took place in between the old Stan Lee issues. What is mutually exclusive, though, is stand-alone stories and gigantic events that everything has to tie into, which both Marvel & DC have become obsessed with. The other big problem is that in the last 20 years the writing talent of Western comics has taken a serious nosedive.

 

[Gar For Archer]

As far as comics go, any time they try to hit the reset button they always fuck it up. The first thirty or so years of Marvel's continuity ran perfectly fine. It wasn't until the '90s when they tried to reset shit with events like the Clone Saga and Heroes Reborn that they began to have serious problems. Likewise, any time DC does a big Crisis event in an attempt to reset continuity they always fuck it up.

Long running continuity and good stand-alone stories aren't mutually exclusive. Roger Stern managed to tell great Spider-Man stories when he began his run on the character nearly 20 years into Spider-Man's continuity. Hell, Kurt Busiek managed to tell great Spider-Man stories that took place in between the old Stan Lee issues. What is mutually exclusive, though, is stand-alone stories and gigantic events that everything has to tie into, which both Marvel & DC have become obsessed with. The other big problem is that in the last 20 years the writing talent of Western comics has taken a serious nosedive.

Those two examples you listed are both a single writer working on the story over a long period. Which of course can work perfectly fine with a competent writer who’s skilled both at planning story arcs and weaving new, unplanned material into something that feels cohesive. Hell, One Piece has been going on for almost 25 years now and it’s still going strong without any major retcons or plot holes.

I’m more complaining about the continuity between writers, where pretty much everyone including the fans acknowledges that it’s the start of a new story, yet the publisher insists that it’s in the same continuity and thus writers are forced to waste time nominally patching up any holes between the last story and the one they actually want to tell.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Those two examples you listed are both a single writer working on the story over a long period. Which of course can work perfectly fine with a competent writer who’s skilled both at planning story arcs and weaving new, unplanned material into something that feels cohesive. Hell, One Piece has been going on for almost 25 years now and it’s still going strong without any major retcons or plot holes.

I’m more complaining about the continuity between writers, where pretty much everyone including the fans acknowledges that it’s the start of a new story, yet the publisher insists that it’s in the same continuity and thus writers are forced to waste time nominally patching up any holes between the last story and the one they actually want to tell.

That was typically fine, too, for the first thirty (or even forty-ish) years. For example, Len Wein picked up literally right where Gerry Conway stopped, tying up loose ends of his remaining plots and building on what he did. It just requires good writers that give a shit.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I read on Wikipedia that some translations of the "number of the beast" from the Bible is 616, not 666, Marvel calls it's main continuity "616", coincidence?

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Well, this is happening.

Scarlett Johansson Files Lawsuit Against Disney Over ‘Black Widow’ Release

The lawsuit claims the studio sacrificed the movie’s box office potential in order to grow its streaming service. Disney countered that the Marvel star was paid $20 million for the film and that the lawsuit is "sad and distressing."

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Well, this is happening.

Scarlett Johansson Files Lawsuit Against Disney Over ‘Black Widow’ Release

The lawsuit claims the studio sacrificed the movie’s box office potential in order to grow its streaming service. Disney countered that the Marvel star was paid $20 million for the film and that the lawsuit is "sad and distressing."

www.hollywoodreporter.com

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Good. if her case is true they were beyond retarded to think she wasn't going to sue over it.

Disney are infamously large-nosed-men-who-rub-their-hands-together with the all of the Avengers not named Robert Downey Jr. The only reason they got "mega star money" after the first movie was because of his personal intervention. Fuck 'em up, ScarJo.

 

[Oats12345]

Well, this is happening.

Scarlett Johansson Files Lawsuit Against Disney Over ‘Black Widow’ Release

The lawsuit claims the studio sacrificed the movie’s box office potential in order to grow its streaming service. Disney countered that the Marvel star was paid $20 million for the film and that the lawsuit is "sad and distressing."

www.hollywoodreporter.com

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This should be interesting

 

[starborn427614]

First(?) pic for Hawkeye's been released.

 

[Grey Donovan]

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‘Black Panther’ Sequel Casts Michaela Coel (EXCLUSIVE)

Michaela Coel has joined the ensemble cast of “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever,” the sequel to the hit Marvel film “Black Panther.” Character details are locked up, per usual…

variety.com

Disney knows Storm is a female superhero, right?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

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I know it's retarded going over small details like that, but do men ever hold their hands like this, especially when standing up? It's an anime school girl pose done by a 40 year old male actor.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

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Gross. The 90s Mutant X movie looked better than that.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Gross. The 90s Mutant X movie looked better than that.

At least Hailee Steinfeld actually physically resembles like the character she's playing, a lot more than can be said for some of the other shit they've announced.

 

[starborn427614]

At least Hailee Steinfeld actually physically resembles like the character she's playing, a lot more than can be said for some of the other shit they've announced.

Nothing's coming to mind right now. What castings don't sit right for you?

 

[Commander X]

It's that time again.

James Gunn on Martin Scorsese’s criticism of superhero movies: “Coming out against Marvel is the only thing that would get him press for his movie. He’s creating his movie in the shadow of Marvel, he uses that to get attention for something he wasn’t getting much attention for.”

Gunn tries to temper it but it still comes off as whiny bullshit.

Ultimately, though he agrees with some of what Scorsese said, Gunn admits to the comments being “irritating” because the filmmaker has yet to see any of the “Guardians of the Galaxy” films and can’t really speak to them.

Let it go, people, Scorsese hasn't even said anything about Marvel Movies in a while but he's been living rent-free in the heads of people who aspire to write superhero movies with Whedonian dialogue where characters say things like "totes amazeballs".

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

It's that time again.

James Gunn on Martin Scorsese’s criticism of superhero movies: “Coming out against Marvel is the only thing that would get him press for his movie. He’s creating his movie in the shadow of Marvel, he uses that to get attention for something he wasn’t getting much attention for.”

Gunn tries to temper it but it still comes off as whiny bullshit.



Let it go, people, Scorsese hasn't even said anything about Marvel Movies in a while but he's been living rent-free in the heads of people who aspire to write superhero movies with Whedonian dialogue where characters say things like "totes amazeballs".

Sheesh, that's an EFAP thing to say.

 

[The Valeyard]

Facebook comments regarding the MSheU.

The redacted gender swap is likely Taskmaster.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

It's that time again.

James Gunn on Martin Scorsese’s criticism of superhero movies: “Coming out against Marvel is the only thing that would get him press for his movie. He’s creating his movie in the shadow of Marvel, he uses that to get attention for something he wasn’t getting much attention for.”

Gunn tries to temper it but it still comes off as whiny bullshit.



Let it go, people, Scorsese hasn't even said anything about Marvel Movies in a while but he's been living rent-free in the heads of people who aspire to write superhero movies with Whedonian dialogue where characters say things like "totes amazeballs".

I"m a dork with a ton of dorky hobbies, but for the life of me, I can't understand why someone hating on something you love is a reason to sperg out about it.

I don't really give a shit if Martin Scorsese likes my stuff, so why do the Marvel people have a bug up their butt about it?

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The redacted gender swap is likely Taskmaster.

Tangent here, but I completely forgot that Ghost was in Ant Man and The Wasp. I literally asked someone last week "Hey, who was the villain in Ant Man and The Wasp?" and he couldn't tell me because he forgot.

 

[Gar For Archer]

I"m a dork with a ton of dorky hobbies, but for the life of me, I can't understand why someone hating on something you love is a reason to sperg out about it.

I don't really give a shit if Martin Scorsese likes my stuff, so why do the Marvel people have a bug up their butt about it?



Tangent here, but I completely forgot that Ghost was in Ant Man and The Wasp. I literally asked someone last week "Hey, who was the villain in Ant Man and The Wasp?" and he couldn't tell me because he forgot.

The funny thing is she literally isn’t even the villain. I was trying to recall who the villain was earlier in this thread and even when someone posted a picture of them I literally could not remember a single thing they had done or what their motivation was.