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Tor Lugosi dijo:
I'm still surprised at how many people defend that retarded Iron Man 3 twist.

"A-ha! The villain wasn't this interesting and original character! It was actually... a bland businessman / scientist with a grudge against Tony Stark... just like the last two movies! What a twist!"
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I still really like Iron Man 3 and think it's very underrated.

I like Shane Black, and it's a Shane Black movie through and through. It often has that kind of Lethal Weapon buddy cop feel I love.

I really like Tony not having access to his suit for a lot of the movie, so he has to improvise and think quick, instead of relying on his overpowered suit to do everything for him.

And I do like the Mandarin plot twist within the context of that movie. I feel like it's really saying something about how we are manipulated by the people in government and media and business every day. I really like the scene where Killian tells the President that he doesn't really care that he got some corrupt oil barons out of jailtime, but he needed a reason to kill him that would "Play well on tv."
 
Gaear Grimsrud dijo:
I still really like Iron Man 3 and think it's very underrated.

I like Shane Black, and it's a Shane Black movie through and through. It often has that kind of Lethal Weapon buddy cop feel I love.

I really like Tony not having access to his suit for a lot of the movie, so he has to improvise and think quick, instead of relying on his overpowered suit to do everything for him.

And I do like the Mandarin plot twist within the context of that movie. I feel like it's really saying something about how we are manipulated by the people in government and media and business every day. I really like the scene where Killian tells the President that he doesn't really care that he got some corrupt oil barons out of jailtime, but he needed a reason to kill him that would "Play well on tv."
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Gaear Grimsrud dijo:
Wouldn't it be kind of hilarious if The Mandarin in Shang Chi winds up being a mediocre villain who wasn't worth the wait?

I still remember the mass-denial when the Iron Man 3 plot leaks came out and said The Mandarin wasn't a real person. A lot of people seemed really invested in having The Mandarin appear.
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The actual villain was bland, but the way they used the Mandarin was fantastic. Tony not being able to get any solid leads on the guy because he's a total mish-mash of southern American, middle Eastern and other, foreign influences was kinda subtle commentary for the MCU.
 
Gaear Grimsrud dijo:
I still really like Iron Man 3 and think it's very underrated.

I like Shane Black, and it's a Shane Black movie through and through. It often has that kind of Lethal Weapon buddy cop feel I love.

I really like Tony not having access to his suit for a lot of the movie, so he has to improvise and think quick, instead of relying on his overpowered suit to do everything for him.

And I do like the Mandarin plot twist within the context of that movie. I feel like it's really saying something about how we are manipulated by the people in government and media and business every day. I really like the scene where Killian tells the President that he doesn't really care that he got some corrupt oil barons out of jailtime, but he needed a reason to kill him that would "Play well on tv."
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Iron Man 2 and 3 are definitely my guilty pleasure MCU movies. I’ll defend 2 more than 3 though, mostly because Killian really is kind of cringey at the end whereas Justin Hammer is a top-tier comic relief villain.

Are they GOOD? Objectively, they both have some pretty massive flaws. But I just can’t hate them, or even find them bland and uninteresting like most of the MCU slate. Also, as a not-comicsfag, I liked the Mandarin twist, I just didn’t like Killian.
 
Articles and Nudes dijo:
The actual villain was bland, but the way they used the Mandarin was fantastic. Tony not being able to get any solid leads on the guy because he's a total mish-mash of southern American, middle Eastern and other, foreign influences was kinda subtle commentary for the MCU.
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and then saving the "real" one for later use was kinda a fun idea.

Does he exist? Oh for sure. Shame the other MCU flicks didn't show him.
 
I almost liked the twist in Iron Man 3.

It was a VERY interesting idea that served as commentary for how easy the public can be influenced by sensationalist media. The whole world, including our hero Tony, was led to believe in this tyranical terrorist and making him the target, and the whole time they were being misdirected by the villain who had other intentions. Its a pretty clever idea.

I think the problem I had with it is that there was nothing to compensate for that twist. What was really going on? Well, Killian Murphy was the villain the whole time...um...ok, I kind of figured that out right away even before The Mandarin reveal. It just felt like a big set up for a twist that didn't really amount to anything.

There are two examples I can think of that had a similar idea and did it better. One MCU and one not:

1) The MCU example is Captain America: Winter Soldier. We start off with Robert Redford as the guy we all knew from the start would be the bad guy, and a mysterious assassin walking around blowing everything up. We are led to believe that Redford is the big bad and Winter Soldier is his muscle, but then we get the twist and find out that Hydra had infiltrated SHIELD and slowly took them over the course of decades. THAT was a twist that caught me off guard and made the movie more interesting. We thought we were getting one thing and then they switched it up on us and it worked beautifully, making WS one of the better MCU films (either that or Infinity War is my favorite)

2) The non-MCU example came from the original Thundercats. The episode "Tower of Traps" has the Thunderkittens and Lion-O trapped in the tower of Robber Baron Carnor, a king theif whose gargoyle servents have been robbing villagers for years and years. He protects his vast treasure by storing it all at the top of a tower and having a ton of deadly traps blocking entry to it. Baron Carnor is kept in the shadows all throughout and Lion-O gets increasingly mad, vowing to get revenge on the Baron when they finally meet. The Thundercats get to the treasure chamber, here a voice call "Enter", and go inside. There, they find the rotting corpse of Baron Carnor, who was so covetous of his own wealth, that he died alone with his treasure, and set up a voice recording to lure people in, as the final trap is sprung...the door to the treasure chamber seals permanently and no one can leave. You get a greed parable about how the Baron died with his fortune in complete solitude, the sight of a dead body in an 80s cartoon show for kids, and one final seemingly inescapbable trap. So we technically got cheated out of the villain they built up...but what they did ended up being more interesting than Lion-O fighting another bad guy.

So yeah, I think they were on the right track with that Mandarin twist but they didn't quick stick the landing.
 
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Gaear Grimsrud dijo:
I still really like Iron Man 3 and think it's very underrated.

I like Shane Black, and it's a Shane Black movie through and through. It often has that kind of Lethal Weapon buddy cop feel I love.

I really like Tony not having access to his suit for a lot of the movie, so he has to improvise and think quick, instead of relying on his overpowered suit to do everything for him.

And I do like the Mandarin plot twist within the context of that movie. I feel like it's really saying something about how we are manipulated by the people in government and media and business every day. I really like the scene where Killian tells the President that he doesn't really care that he got some corrupt oil barons out of jailtime, but he needed a reason to kill him that would "Play well on tv."
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And the plane scene. Come on.

This is some of the best Iron Man shit in the entire MCU franchise, even if he's not actually in the suit.

 
Notgoodwithusernames dijo:
Iron Man 3 is a movie I actually like despite their being a multitude of reasons why I shouldn’t
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I feel the exact same way. I do think that it's stupid they didn't use the real Mandarin as the villain. I also think it's a bit of a sad missed opportunity that we never got to see RDJ's Tony go up against his main archenemy from the comics. There are a decent amount of dumb things in the movie that I don't particularly like (I.E. Tony inviting terrorists to his house and not having any countermeasures ready, having Tony destroy his suits at the end only for him to have a rebuilt arsenal in the form of the Iron Legion in AoU anyways, etc).

But at the same time, I kinda like the story they were able to craft with it. It's still a pretty competent and decent movie, even if Killian himself was kinda weak. As RumblyTumbly said,
RumblyTumbly dijo:
It was a VERY interesting idea that served as commentary for how easy the public can be influenced by sensationalist media. The whole world, including our hero Tony, was led to believe in this tyranical terrorist and making him the target, and the whole time they were being misdirected by the villain who had other intentions. Its a pretty clever idea.
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The issue to me mainly lies in the fact that it took away the opportunity to see Tony face off against Mandarin. They should've used another villain to do this bait-and-switch with, and not Tony's literal arch-nemesis.

My overall opinion is this:
-Iron Man 3 should've had the real Mandarin show up to cap off the trilogy, as it would've been way better payoff for Iron Man 1's 'Chekhov's Gun' setup of the Ten Rings organization. Ever since they fumbled Mandarin, they were pretty much forgotten for 8 years, and they meandered around as easter eggs in the background of Ant-Man.

-The story about Killian and media manipulation should have been the plot a different movie (I.E. Iron Man 4 or some other stand-alone thing), and it also should've used a different villain to bait-and-switch. It has potential, but its' use in Iron Man 3 makes the trilogy feel less cohesive and fulfilling. The movie takes something that had been built up since Iron Man 1, the Ten Rings, and instead of seeing the payoff to that with Tony going up against his literal arch-nemesis, it completely shits all over it and goes another direction - it steps on the toes of what could've been another engaging story in order to tell its' own.
 
To give a view from DC that I also think did something similar in a good way, there's the twist in Dark Knight Rises about Bane not actually being the child of Ras. And the thing is I should've seen the twist coming because I knew about Talia from the comics and the old Batman cartoon. But when the movie said that Bane was the child of Ras I just took it at face value as a "Oh, they're just changing things and connecting characters that weren't connected in the comics, typical movie thing not following the comics directly, etc. etc." So when the twist finally happened I was actually surprised. Ohhh, Bane really isn't Ras's son and Talia was there the whole time. So I thought that was pretty clever. Or maybe I was just dumb and everyone else who knew about Talia could already see that coming.

But I think that's the same kind of fakeout as Iron Man 3. Where the creators are using fans prior knowledge of the comics and characters to trick them.
 
Along these lines, the most recent Tomb Raider movie pulled a pretty neat version bait and switch that had even more of an impact on those who played the game.

In the TR game, Kimiko is explicitly a supernatural being that brought ruin to her enemies and uses storms to remain hidden as she rebuilds her power and status - Lara's crew is shipwrecked as a result of Kimiko's magic so they can't escape, and hunted by an undead army.

In the movie storms keep people stranded, and Kimiko is depicted as wreaking havoc on the world with her magic and legion of undead soldiers. Murals and history books show her as a monster that should be buried and forgotten...but as it turns out Kimiko was simply the vessel of an incredibly contagious, deadly pathogen. The "undead" were plague victims unwittingly spreading it, Kimiko was quite meek and by all accounts benevolent, and there's no magic causing storms; the island was chosen because of the dangerous weather, as another layer to protect anyone from unwittingly stumbling across her burial ground.

It was a neat way to use the lore but not be so predictable.
 
Articles and Nudes dijo:
Along these lines, the most recent Tomb Raider movie pulled a pretty neat version bait and switch that had even more of an impact on those who played the game.

In the TR game, Kimiko is explicitly a supernatural being that brought ruin to her enemies and uses storms to remain hidden as she rebuilds her power and status - Lara's crew is shipwrecked as a result of Kimiko's magic so they can't escape, and hunted by an undead army.

In the movie storms keep people stranded, and Kimiko is depicted as wreaking havoc on the world with her magic and legion of undead soldiers. Murals and history books show her as a monster that should be buried and forgotten...but as it turns out Kimiko was simply the vessel of an incredibly contagious, deadly pathogen. The "undead" were plague victims unwittingly spreading it, Kimiko was quite meek and by all accounts benevolent, and there's no magic causing storms; the island was chosen because of the dangerous weather, as another layer to protect anyone from unwittingly stumbling across her burial ground.

It was a neat way to use the lore but not be so predictable.
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Idk, using diseases = curses is overused as shit by now. Especially when the disease is so convoluted it might as well be divine intervention. This days having actual paranormal happenings (especially ones involving abrahamic religions) is rarer than a made up "scientific" explanation behind them.
 
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