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You know I can safely say that I dislike American Comic books a hell of a lot now.
Like...they are just so political correct and reboot heavy it's hard to even muster up a fuck about them now. The fanbase themselves don't even have any legit love for them since they spend more time trying to own the chuds than actually talking about compelling stories.

So glad the hubris and elitism is biting them all in the ass even if they shriek about the coping chuds who have rightfully turned their back on the industry. It's just a shame that a good chunk of the people on this thread seem to like it because they are too afraid to admit it's crap.
 
The whole "Thanos was right" is the stupidest, most psychopathic shit I've seen that wasn't deliberately astro turfed by some powerful corporation/politician.
Stupidest because, at best, it would take the world back only 50 years in terms of population. In terms of pollution probably a lot less since you still have the entire mechanisms of producing shit, only divided by a smaller population who'd use it (not to mention the number of familial units wouldn't drop by 50%).
Psychopathic is obvious, it's a brute step "final solution" to environmental issues that's derived from people would prefer punish everyone, including themselves, rather than the few countries who are the main cause of most problems, because randomly culling 50% of the population is considered more politically correct than cutting trade with China.
The movie itself seems to treat Thanos as being correct. He seems intelligent and rational on every other point, but nobody ever objects that the plan makes no sense and wouldn't work and lots of planets don't even have population problems etc (RIP Asgardians), just that it will kill a lot of innocent people. Since it didn't seem to cause any really major problems or social upheavals for half the universe to disappear and come back, I dunno, maybe he had a point. MCU runs on fantasy economics, I have to assume Thanos understands the subject better than I do. Bruce Banner's supposed to be a smart guy but he's not second-guessing mass-energy conservation every time he turns into Hulk, now is he?

Personally I think they'd have been better off completely undoing the snap with time travel reset button shenanigans, as lame as that might have seemed. Now the MCU has no pretense of being basically like real life except with superheroes: everybody in the whole universe is directly caught up with superhero fantasy stuff in a way that they're going to have to ignore to do any other kind of story.
 
The movie itself seems to treat Thanos as being correct. He seems intelligent and rational on every other point, but nobody ever objects that the plan makes no sense and wouldn't work and lots of planets don't even have population problems etc (RIP Asgardians), just that it will kill a lot of innocent people. Since it didn't seem to cause any really major problems or social upheavals for half the universe to disappear and come back, I dunno, maybe he had a point. MCU runs on fantasy economics, I have to assume Thanos understands the subject better than I do. Bruce Banner's supposed to be a smart guy but he's not second-guessing mass-energy conservation every time he turns into Hulk, now is he?

Personally I think they'd have been better off completely undoing the snap with time travel reset button shenanigans, as lame as that might have seemed. Now the MCU has no pretense of being basically like real life except with superheroes: everybody in the whole universe is directly caught up with superhero fantasy stuff in a way that they're going to have to ignore to do any other kind of story.
I mean the whole realism thing was already fucked right from the very beginning, where Tony Stark creates what’s essentially an infinite source of free energy that proceeded to have zero impact whatsoever on the world.
 
The movie itself seems to treat Thanos as being correct. He seems intelligent and rational on every other point, but nobody ever objects that the plan makes no sense and wouldn't work and lots of planets don't even have population problems etc (RIP Asgardians), just that it will kill a lot of innocent people. Since it didn't seem to cause any really major problems or social upheavals for half the universe to disappear and come back, I dunno, maybe he had a point. MCU runs on fantasy economics, I have to assume Thanos understands the subject better than I do. Bruce Banner's supposed to be a smart guy but he's not second-guessing mass-energy conservation every time he turns into Hulk, now is he?

Personally I think they'd have been better off completely undoing the snap with time travel reset button shenanigans, as lame as that might have seemed. Now the MCU has no pretense of being basically like real life except with superheroes: everybody in the whole universe is directly caught up with superhero fantasy stuff in a way that they're going to have to ignore to do any other kind of story.
Didn't Endgame had some faggoty comment about having more whales after the snap? You'd think they'd be more fucked by having 50% of their numbers wiped out. Also I remember Miss Marvel acting like a bitch when she was asked where she was during the final attack, when every well written character in existence would be guilt ridden over not being there in the most important moment.
 
The whole "Thanos was right" is the stupidest, most psychopathic shit I've seen that wasn't deliberately astro turfed by some powerful corporation/politician.
Stupidest because, at best, it would take the world back only 50 years in terms of population. In terms of pollution probably a lot less since you still have the entire mechanisms of producing shit, only divided by a smaller population who'd use it (not to mention the number of familial units wouldn't drop by 50%).
Psychopathic is obvious, it's a brute step "final solution" to environmental issues that's derived from people would prefer punish everyone, including themselves, rather than the few countries who are the main cause of most problems, because randomly culling 50% of the population is considered more politically correct than cutting trade with China.
Some people also genuinely believe Ultron wasn’t in the wrong as well. At best I like to think they’re just faggy contrarions but at worst they’re unironic faggy contrarions.
 
Wasn't it that the whales were much closer to the coast than they usually got pre-snap?
 
Since an Eternals article got posted in A&H today, I came here looking to see if the leaked movie plot had been discussed but didn’t see anything so for anyone interested, here it is:

Opening title card explaining the Deviants and Eternals - the Deviants were created by the Celestials to hunt predators that prey on intelligent life on newly evolving worlds, but then they started to hunt the life as well, so Ceestials created the Eternals to kill the Deviants.

Opens 5000 years ago in Mesopotamia a man is fishing on some rocks with his son (?) and is attacked by a Deviant from the ocean. The Eternals show up and a short battle commences, after which they line up in a triangular "hero" pose and this rolls into the Marvel logo opening.

Jumps to present day - Sersi (Gemma Chan) and Dane Whitman (Kit Harrington) are teachers in the UK and dating. During a class lesson, a large earthquake strikes, and Sersi saves a child from a falling object by turning it to sand. Later while out on a date, a Deviant attacks Sersi, Sprite (Lia McHugh), and Dane; during the battle Ikaris (Richard Madden) shows up and they fight it off after noting that they thought all the Deviants were destroyed and unlike others, the Deviant was able to heal its wounds.

The group decide to visit Ajak (Salma Hayek) as she was the leader of the group. After arriving at the midwest ranch where she is now living, they discover her dead body, A small golden device leaves Ajak's body and enters Sersi ( this is how she communicated with the Celestials) - they then decide to round up the rest of the Eternals to deal with the Deviants.

Thena (Angelina Jolie) and Gilgamesh (Don Lee) are in Australia (I think) due to an issue with her memory causing her to randomly attack the other Eternals. Gilgamesh is obviously in love with Thena but it is not played as a romantic relationship.

Phastos (Brian Tyree Henry) and his husband live with their child and he decides to help due to the fact that he has fully embraced the human race and wants to protect his family.

Makkari (Lauren Ridloff) has been living in the Eternals ship all this time (I guess, since there is a bunch of food containers and mess strewn about.

Kingo (Kumail Nanjiani) is a Bollywood actor ( there is a short dance routine that introduces this) and comes with the group along with his valet (don't recall the name) who tries to document everything on video.

Druig (Barry Keoghan) is living in some rainforest controlling a small village of people after losing faith in humanity and wanting to control them to stop war, famine, etc. Gilgamesh is killed fighting the Deviants in the forest.

Sersi learns that the Celestials created both races and that the Eternals are basically just very advanced robots. They seed young planets with a Celestial "egg" that takes eons to mature. The evolving intelligent life on these planets feeds the Celestial's growth, so the Eternals are sent to protect the evolving life forms and kill the Deviants. After the emergence, the Eternals are " rebooted" and sent to another world (this is the cause of Thena's memory issue, as she knows that the planet is doomed) - this cycle has gone on for millions of years. Earth was seeded and Tiamut is about to emerge (this was the cause of the earthquake earlier). Once awakened, the entire planet and all life will be destroyed.

They debate on what to do and some decide to try and find a way to stop the emergence. Ikaris disagrees, Sprite and Kingo are on his side but Kingo agrees to help.

Phastos designs a device (Uni-Mind) that will allow Druig to channel all the Eternals energies in the hope of controlling Tiamut and putting him back to sleep.

Sersi learns that Ikaris knew about the Celestials actual plans and this is why he left the group hundreds of years ago. He killed Ajak because she had decided to help stop the emergence and save Earth.

The group go to where Tiamut is and attempt to use the device - Ikaris and Sprite attempt to stop them. Sersi then uses the device to amplify her power and turn Tiamut to marble just as his hand and part of his head is emerging from the Indian Ocean.

Ikaris flies off into space (towards the sun - unclear if he just left or flew into the sun and killed himself), then Sersi makes Sprite a real human with what remains of her power.

A few days (?) later Thena, Makkari, and Druig leave in the ship to seek out other Eternals and try and stop the cycle of destruction. Sersi, Kingo, and Phastos stay on Earth but are then pulled into space by Arishem and vanish.

The two end credit stingers: 1) Dane is looking at an old box and pulls out a sword that is wrapped up. Just as he is about to touch it, an off screen voice stops him. 2) On the Eternals' ship, Pip the Troll appears and introduces Starfox.
 
Since an Eternals article got posted in A&H today, I came here looking to see if the leaked movie plot had been discussed but didn’t see anything so for anyone interested, here it is:

Opening title card explaining the Deviants and Eternals - the Deviants were created by the Celestials to hunt predators that prey on intelligent life on newly evolving worlds, but then they started to hunt the life as well, so Ceestials created the Eternals to kill the Deviants.

Opens 5000 years ago in Mesopotamia a man is fishing on some rocks with his son (?) and is attacked by a Deviant from the ocean. The Eternals show up and a short battle commences, after which they line up in a triangular "hero" pose and this rolls into the Marvel logo opening.

Jumps to present day - Sersi (Gemma Chan) and Dane Whitman (Kit Harrington) are teachers in the UK and dating. During a class lesson, a large earthquake strikes, and Sersi saves a child from a falling object by turning it to sand. Later while out on a date, a Deviant attacks Sersi, Sprite (Lia McHugh), and Dane; during the battle Ikaris (Richard Madden) shows up and they fight it off after noting that they thought all the Deviants were destroyed and unlike others, the Deviant was able to heal its wounds.

The group decide to visit Ajak (Salma Hayek) as she was the leader of the group. After arriving at the midwest ranch where she is now living, they discover her dead body, A small golden device leaves Ajak's body and enters Sersi ( this is how she communicated with the Celestials) - they then decide to round up the rest of the Eternals to deal with the Deviants.

Thena (Angelina Jolie) and Gilgamesh (Don Lee) are in Australia (I think) due to an issue with her memory causing her to randomly attack the other Eternals. Gilgamesh is obviously in love with Thena but it is not played as a romantic relationship.

Phastos (Brian Tyree Henry) and his husband live with their child and he decides to help due to the fact that he has fully embraced the human race and wants to protect his family.

Makkari (Lauren Ridloff) has been living in the Eternals ship all this time (I guess, since there is a bunch of food containers and mess strewn about.

Kingo (Kumail Nanjiani) is a Bollywood actor ( there is a short dance routine that introduces this) and comes with the group along with his valet (don't recall the name) who tries to document everything on video.

Druig (Barry Keoghan) is living in some rainforest controlling a small village of people after losing faith in humanity and wanting to control them to stop war, famine, etc. Gilgamesh is killed fighting the Deviants in the forest.

Sersi learns that the Celestials created both races and that the Eternals are basically just very advanced robots. They seed young planets with a Celestial "egg" that takes eons to mature. The evolving intelligent life on these planets feeds the Celestial's growth, so the Eternals are sent to protect the evolving life forms and kill the Deviants. After the emergence, the Eternals are " rebooted" and sent to another world (this is the cause of Thena's memory issue, as she knows that the planet is doomed) - this cycle has gone on for millions of years. Earth was seeded and Tiamut is about to emerge (this was the cause of the earthquake earlier). Once awakened, the entire planet and all life will be destroyed.

They debate on what to do and some decide to try and find a way to stop the emergence. Ikaris disagrees, Sprite and Kingo are on his side but Kingo agrees to help.

Phastos designs a device (Uni-Mind) that will allow Druig to channel all the Eternals energies in the hope of controlling Tiamut and putting him back to sleep.

Sersi learns that Ikaris knew about the Celestials actual plans and this is why he left the group hundreds of years ago. He killed Ajak because she had decided to help stop the emergence and save Earth.

The group go to where Tiamut is and attempt to use the device - Ikaris and Sprite attempt to stop them. Sersi then uses the device to amplify her power and turn Tiamut to marble just as his hand and part of his head is emerging from the Indian Ocean.

Ikaris flies off into space (towards the sun - unclear if he just left or flew into the sun and killed himself), then Sersi makes Sprite a real human with what remains of her power.

A few days (?) later Thena, Makkari, and Druig leave in the ship to seek out other Eternals and try and stop the cycle of destruction. Sersi, Kingo, and Phastos stay on Earth but are then pulled into space by Arishem and vanish.

The two end credit stingers: 1) Dane is looking at an old box and pulls out a sword that is wrapped up. Just as he is about to touch it, an off screen voice stops him. 2) On the Eternals' ship, Pip the Troll appears and introduces Starfox.
Barring the weird high-concept shit with the Eternals which will probably flop the movie, can we just be done with muh planet leveling threats that for some reason nobody but the star heroes of the movie are able to detect, despite this universe having not only an “official” superhero team but also multiple organizations monitoring supernatural goings-ons who almost certainly would’ve picked up on an impending disaster of that scale?

You can only threaten to destroy the world so many times before it REALLY starts to get old, and the MCU hit that threshold a long time ago. The Eternals seems like it would’ve been a good place to focus more on small-scale internal conflicts instead of yet another planet-destroying monster. I thought there was a tacit understanding that after Thanos, they’d stay away from the existential threats to all of planet Earth for a while.
 
Barring the weird high-concept shit with the Eternals which will probably flop the movie, can we just be done with muh planet leveling threats that for some reason nobody but the star heroes of the movie are able to detect, despite this universe having not only an “official” superhero team but also multiple organizations monitoring supernatural goings-ons who almost certainly would’ve picked up on an impending disaster of that scale?

You can only threaten to destroy the world so many times before it REALLY starts to get old, and the MCU hit that threshold a long time ago. The Eternals seems like it would’ve been a good place to focus more on small-scale internal conflicts instead of yet another planet-destroying monster. I thought there was a tacit understanding that after Thanos, they’d stay away from the existential threats to all of planet Earth for a while.
This is why I'm enjoying the shows tbqh, you need smaller level threats to balance out the big stuff and make it seem important.
 
Didn't Endgame had some faggoty comment about having more whales after the snap? You'd think they'd be more fucked by having 50% of their numbers wiped out. Also I remember Miss Marvel acting like a bitch when she was asked where she was during the final attack, when every well written character in existence would be guilt ridden over not being there in the most important moment.
Feige fucked the pooch hard with IW by not having any threads for the next phase. Miss Marvel could've easily been at the Second Battle of Nova Prime or Knowhere when Thanos attacked them. And cunt punted her to somewhere she'll be out of the way for a while. Hence her hostile temperament when asked about it later. But also he decided to cheap out and told us instead showing how easy or hard those stones were aquired.
 
Feige fucked the pooch hard with IW by not having any threads for the next phase. Miss Marvel could've easily been at the Second Battle of Nova Prime or Knowhere when Thanos attacked them. And cunt punted her to somewhere she'll be out of the way for a while. Hence her hostile temperament when asked about it later. But also he decided to cheap out and told us instead showing how easy or hard those stones were aquired.
Thanos just getting the power stone off-screen was definitely a wasted opportunity. You could've had it as like a prologue thing released before the movie and it would've only raised the hype for Infinity War. Look at how effective the scene at the start of IW was: He actually had to earn that Infinity Stone and there were consequences for the heroes as a result.
 
You know I can safely say that I dislike American Comic books a hell of a lot now.
Like...they are just so political correct and reboot heavy it's hard to even muster up a fuck about them now. The fanbase themselves don't even have any legit love for them since they spend more time trying to own the chuds than actually talking about compelling stories.

So glad the hubris and elitism is biting them all in the ass even if they shriek about the coping chuds who have rightfully turned their back on the industry. It's just a shame that a good chunk of the people on this thread seem to like it because they are too afraid to admit it's crap.
How mad are you gonna be when Super Rice Fighter Turbo makes bank?
 
Since an Eternals article got posted in A&H today, I came here looking to see if the leaked movie plot had been discussed but didn’t see anything so for anyone interested, here it is:

Opening title card explaining the Deviants and Eternals - the Deviants were created by the Celestials to hunt predators that prey on intelligent life on newly evolving worlds, but then they started to hunt the life as well, so Ceestials created the Eternals to kill the Deviants.

Opens 5000 years ago in Mesopotamia a man is fishing on some rocks with his son (?) and is attacked by a Deviant from the ocean. The Eternals show up and a short battle commences, after which they line up in a triangular "hero" pose and this rolls into the Marvel logo opening.

Jumps to present day - Sersi (Gemma Chan) and Dane Whitman (Kit Harrington) are teachers in the UK and dating. During a class lesson, a large earthquake strikes, and Sersi saves a child from a falling object by turning it to sand. Later while out on a date, a Deviant attacks Sersi, Sprite (Lia McHugh), and Dane; during the battle Ikaris (Richard Madden) shows up and they fight it off after noting that they thought all the Deviants were destroyed and unlike others, the Deviant was able to heal its wounds.

The group decide to visit Ajak (Salma Hayek) as she was the leader of the group. After arriving at the midwest ranch where she is now living, they discover her dead body, A small golden device leaves Ajak's body and enters Sersi ( this is how she communicated with the Celestials) - they then decide to round up the rest of the Eternals to deal with the Deviants.

Thena (Angelina Jolie) and Gilgamesh (Don Lee) are in Australia (I think) due to an issue with her memory causing her to randomly attack the other Eternals. Gilgamesh is obviously in love with Thena but it is not played as a romantic relationship.

Phastos (Brian Tyree Henry) and his husband live with their child and he decides to help due to the fact that he has fully embraced the human race and wants to protect his family.

Makkari (Lauren Ridloff) has been living in the Eternals ship all this time (I guess, since there is a bunch of food containers and mess strewn about.

Kingo (Kumail Nanjiani) is a Bollywood actor ( there is a short dance routine that introduces this) and comes with the group along with his valet (don't recall the name) who tries to document everything on video.

Druig (Barry Keoghan) is living in some rainforest controlling a small village of people after losing faith in humanity and wanting to control them to stop war, famine, etc. Gilgamesh is killed fighting the Deviants in the forest.

Sersi learns that the Celestials created both races and that the Eternals are basically just very advanced robots. They seed young planets with a Celestial "egg" that takes eons to mature. The evolving intelligent life on these planets feeds the Celestial's growth, so the Eternals are sent to protect the evolving life forms and kill the Deviants. After the emergence, the Eternals are " rebooted" and sent to another world (this is the cause of Thena's memory issue, as she knows that the planet is doomed) - this cycle has gone on for millions of years. Earth was seeded and Tiamut is about to emerge (this was the cause of the earthquake earlier). Once awakened, the entire planet and all life will be destroyed.

They debate on what to do and some decide to try and find a way to stop the emergence. Ikaris disagrees, Sprite and Kingo are on his side but Kingo agrees to help.

Phastos designs a device (Uni-Mind) that will allow Druig to channel all the Eternals energies in the hope of controlling Tiamut and putting him back to sleep.

Sersi learns that Ikaris knew about the Celestials actual plans and this is why he left the group hundreds of years ago. He killed Ajak because she had decided to help stop the emergence and save Earth.

The group go to where Tiamut is and attempt to use the device - Ikaris and Sprite attempt to stop them. Sersi then uses the device to amplify her power and turn Tiamut to marble just as his hand and part of his head is emerging from the Indian Ocean.

Ikaris flies off into space (towards the sun - unclear if he just left or flew into the sun and killed himself), then Sersi makes Sprite a real human with what remains of her power.

A few days (?) later Thena, Makkari, and Druig leave in the ship to seek out other Eternals and try and stop the cycle of destruction. Sersi, Kingo, and Phastos stay on Earth but are then pulled into space by Arishem and vanish.

The two end credit stingers: 1) Dane is looking at an old box and pulls out a sword that is wrapped up. Just as he is about to touch it, an off screen voice stops him. 2) On the Eternals' ship, Pip the Troll appears and introduces Starfox.

bruh
 
The movie itself seems to treat Thanos as being correct. He seems intelligent and rational on every other point, but nobody ever objects that the plan makes no sense and wouldn't work and lots of planets don't even have population problems etc (RIP Asgardians), just that it will kill a lot of innocent people. Since it didn't seem to cause any really major problems or social upheavals for half the universe to disappear and come back, I dunno, maybe he had a point. MCU runs on fantasy economics, I have to assume Thanos understands the subject better than I do. Bruce Banner's supposed to be a smart guy but he's not second-guessing mass-energy conservation every time he turns into Hulk, now is he?

Personally I think they'd have been better off completely undoing the snap with time travel reset button shenanigans, as lame as that might have seemed. Now the MCU has no pretense of being basically like real life except with superheroes: everybody in the whole universe is directly caught up with superhero fantasy stuff in a way that they're going to have to ignore to do any other kind of story.
I know "muh themes" argument got totally ruined due to TLJ, but the inability to refute Thanos in Endgame on a philosophical level is the reason why that movie doesn't work all that well. Our heroes, who were able to think outside the box with the Time Heist (and the self-imposed "one round trip rule"), are completely unaware of the ingenuity behind the act and just punch the guy because they have to punch him. Which is a fundamental problem with the MCU in general.

The other fundamental problem is the cosmic worldbuilding is jury-rigged. Why IS Earth consistently the key battleground that also happens to be a galactic backwater? Yeah, I know it's because it's where most of the protagonists live, but between nanotech, vibranium, AI, and magic, alien civilizations really should be sending fleets to quarantine or blow up Earth. Especially since the first Kree fleet got blown up by one rogue agent back in the 90s. Then no other alien culture bothers for 30 years. Why? Because MCU aliens are aliens of the week. They can't be players reacting to intergalactic shifts in power because it breaks the MCU formula of 60% CGI, 30% quippy celebrities, 10% tie-in to other movies. What do those GotG aliens think about all this? Or the aliens in Thor: Ragnarok? I couldn't tell you because they don't seem to have any interest. The story-telling result is that when cosmic-scale events happen, it's easy to shrug them off, such as the decimation of the Asgardians or Earth is about to get blown up again. What's Shield's response? Ask Spidey for help.

Now that I think about it, Earth is just the Afghanistan of the galaxy.
 
and the self-imposed "one round trip rule"
It wasn't self-imposed. The time travel stuff needed Pym Particles to work and they "coincidentally" had enough for one trip each for everyone involved and the only person who could have made them, Hank Pym, had been snapped. They couldn't swipe too many from another time period, even just Steve and Tony breaking into the military base in New Jersey was risky, but it had both Pym Particles and the stone they were going after.
 
Another alternative to the snap is that it would happen and immediately afterwards would "hard cap" the population to that limit. So with earth, the human population would never rise over 4 billion (ie, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagan route). It would at least kinda make sense environmentally and maybe could have been justified by Thanos' world being genocided by an alien culture that got its numbers so inflated it had to continue expanding to keep it afloat.

Anyways MCU will just go on dimension hopping route to cash in on Spiderverse, and to have a "saving the multiverse" big showdown. Not really understanding that Spiderverse only worked because the title character is iconic as hell, and no one would care about gay transgender Captain Marvel.
 
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