Marvel Cinematic Universe

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In the comics Bruce Banner is a nuclear physicist, Reed Richards is an astrophysicist, Tony Stark is an engineer, Peter Parker is a chemist, etc., etc. Nobody has to be "the smart one." They can all be smart within their specialties and consult each when faced with science outside their narrow band of expertise (just like real world scientists).

I agree, that is the logical approach. It has been years since I last read comics, though Reed Richards was treated as "the smart one", and often consulted on nearly anything. He felt like the Gary Stu of science. This dynamic has probably changed, though stories where Mr. Fantastic had to defer to somebody else were more interesting. Like when Doom helped Susan through her pregnancy.
 
I agree, that is the logical approach. It has been years since I last read comics, though Reed Richards was treated as "the smart one", and often consulted on nearly anything. He felt like the Gary Stu of science. This dynamic has probably changed, though stories where Mr. Fantastic had to defer to somebody else were more interesting. Like when Doom helped Susan through her pregnancy.
Reed Richards was the "smart one" but it was always shown that his "Smart one"ness had the consequences of "Him sort of being a douche."
 
In the comics Bruce Banner is a nuclear physicist, Reed Richards is an astrophysicist, Tony Stark is an engineer, Peter Parker is a chemist, etc., etc. Nobody has to be "the smart one." They can all be smart within their specialties and consult each when faced with science outside their narrow band of expertise (just like real world scientists).

I really like when writers show awareness of these differences. It annoyed me a little when Tony was the one to crack time travel in Endgame. I get why they wanted it from a story point of view but it ought to have been Hank Pym or if they had to go with one of the mains (I don't think they did, but...) then Banner would have been the next best. There is a comic where Stark does make or repair a time machine. But he actually remarks in the comic that this is more of a Reed Richards thing and it takes him a long time to get it all working. Brilliant engineer, but not really a scientist per se.

Also, the better comics do a good job of balancing Richard's genius with his terrible qualities as a husband. I mean, he's not Hank Pym bad. Just kind of obsessive and thoughtless sometimes.

Doom, when written right, is one of the greatest villains there is because he has so many noble qualities but this one fatal flaw. He's almost Shakespearean as a Tragic figure. Only Doom is arrogant enough to dress like that and think it looks good. And damn if he doesn't make it so.
 
I've gotta say that going into STEM and reading the "stupid writers write smart people as wizards" argument completely ruined for me a lot of entertaiment with smart inventors, especially super heroes.
It's not just that they routinely know everything, including worthless trivia, at a ridiculously young age, but also they require basically zero effort for 99% of the tasks.
 
My favorite part about the diversity push is how many kikes demand we still include Magento being a holocaust survivor.

Like even redditors go hard aganist as if there are barely any kikes in hollywood or of theyre underrepresented.

My favorite idea is to make magneto a Rwandan genocide survivor instead, that would make him in his 40s in the 2020s plus it would really build on how bad wakana fucked up being isolationist.

People have been suggesting it for the MCU for awhile, another one they suggest is for the FF to be from the 60s and arrive now, which i feel is dogshit, instead they should be from the 2010s, specifically right before the avengers, the idea of them going from essentially no one knowing about superheros to arriving in a world fucking filled with them and the culture shock from a decade away would be amazing. You could have dumb jokes like Johnny's first goal when coming back home is him updating his Myspace only to discover it doesnt exist.

Plus it would be really neat for them to have a semi-meta movie like that, really show how much shit changed since 2012 in terms of pop culture and the media. Also it wouldn't be as much of a captian America retread because its a much more recent time jump and it would be more about going from barely any superhero shit to heros all over the world causing huge destruction instead of the time shock of going from the 1940s to now.

Plus you could have a lot of fun references in the pre-time jump. Like Jonah being a well respected journalist but getting fired and saying "ill just start my own news site online, whats the worst that could happen"

Or Johnny bullying some kid only for that kid to become MMA champion a decade later.

Ben complaining about dating and Sue mentioning trying online dating and that surely people dont care so much about looks online.

Thats always been my biggest pet peeve about the MCU no real huge reference to each other. Even captain marvel was fairly self contained when they should have had like extras talking about the winter soldier conspiracy or some woman mentioned screwing tony stark and then being thrown out of his house.

I think ive said all over the internet now about how Dr.strange first act should have been set around the time tony stark was held hostage in the first Iron Man and then the bullshit with Hannibal should have been set obviously in the present so that Dr.strange would have spent lile 8 years studying magic instead of knocking it out in a weekend and still becoming the top magic user of all time

They dont have to pay to just mention other heroes in the universe so why not have those mentions in there.
 
Thats always been my biggest pet peeve about the MCU no real huge reference to each other. Even captain marvel was fairly self contained when they should have had like extras talking about the winter soldier conspiracy or some woman mentioned screwing tony stark and then being thrown out of his house.

Hey do you remember when you blinked out of existence for five years and while you were gone I fucked half the dudes in this town? No? Okay good, because the last part totally didn't happen despite what all your friends say.
 
Hey do you remember when you blinked out of existence for five years and while you were gone I fucked half the dudes in this town? No? Okay good, because the last part totally didn't happen despite what all your friends say.
Exactly, we might see more of that now considering we only have had one film post snap. But even that is weird, id love to know more about the bureaucratic mess of the snap. Like with ages, biologically youre 13 but the calendar says youre 18, can you buy smokes or join the army? What about porn? I bet there os a shitload of literal teens in porn post snap. You really think 13 year olds wouldnt be immediately taken by porn producers?

Even alcohol. Im surprised they didnt mention it in spiderman but there are probably a huge amount of high schoolers openly drinking during school hours because its legal now.

Especially as a teenager imagine your boufriend suddenly being 5 years older. Like do you know how much statutory rape must be happening. I bet people dont even give a shit about Age of consent in that universe now because of how all high school relationships are now pedophilic.

I know they wont answer it but the most realistic conclusion would be for age of consent and age of majority to be 13 now in the US, and id really shudder to think how low it would drop in other countries. And if it really was half the population no government could keep track of all those people. And after 5 years people would have gotten over it as would businesses. We all know how immigration destroys wages and economics, now imagine we had the population double overnight. Didnt they consider them dead by that point too? You could make an entire legal drama dealing with all the red tape from that.
 
My favorite part about the diversity push is how many kikes demand we still include Magento being a holocaust survivor.

Like even redditors go hard aganist as if there are barely any kikes in hollywood or of theyre underrepresented.

Holy jesus settle down.

Thats always been my biggest pet peeve about the MCU no real huge reference to each other. Even captain marvel was fairly self contained when they should have had like extras talking about the winter soldier conspiracy or some woman mentioned screwing tony stark and then being thrown out of his house.

That would have sucked, you don't want the already fairly substantial overlap in these movies to start feeling shoehorned for the sake of reminding people they're connected films.
 
Exactly, we might see more of that now considering we only have had one film post snap. But even that is weird, id love to know more about the bureaucratic mess of the snap. Like with ages, biologically youre 13 but the calendar says youre 18, can you buy smokes or join the army? What about porn? I bet there os a shitload of literal teens in porn post snap. You really think 13 year olds wouldnt be immediately taken by porn producers?

Even alcohol. Im surprised they didnt mention it in spiderman but there are probably a huge amount of high schoolers openly drinking during school hours because its legal now.

Especially as a teenager imagine your boufriend suddenly being 5 years older. Like do you know how much statutory rape must be happening. I bet people dont even give a shit about Age of consent in that universe now because of how all high school relationships are now pedophilic.

I know they wont answer it but the most realistic conclusion would be for age of consent and age of majority to be 13 now in the US, and id really shudder to think how low it would drop in other countries. And if it really was half the population no government could keep track of all those people. And after 5 years people would have gotten over it as would businesses. We all know how immigration destroys wages and economics, now imagine we had the population double overnight. Didnt they consider them dead by that point too? You could make an entire legal drama dealing with all the red tape from that.

I don't think about these things and neither should you.

I'm just wanting the MCU to finally bomb at the box office so it will finally go away.
 
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The shame of covid is that now when Black Widow and The Eternals bomb, its gonna be blamed on covid and not them being shitty movies starring unlikable actors.

If Black Widow bombs, then definitely. It got delayed to November this year because of the virus, but it's also probably the one movie in Phase 4 that's the least likely to bomb or under-perform

If Eternals bombs, it will be a lot harder to sell that as an excuse since 2021 will be long enough that the COVID-19 lockdowns won't affect theatrical releases.
 
Realistically speaking, without any :optimistic: about Disney/Marvel publicly unwoking themselves, what would happen if Eternals actually bombed?
Disney will try to write it off similar to Solo or some of their live-action remakes and continue. If another bomb happens afterwards, then they will begin to change tactics. Likely starting with rewriting the MCU with the failure movies out, similar to what sounds to be happening with Star Wars and the removal of the sequel trilogy. If that does not work, I am expecting the death of not just the MCU, but Marvel in general. The comics have tanked and I doubt the tv is fairing much better as they are just MCU ads, so Marvel will have no reason to continue. The aftermath will be the rights of Spider-Man going back to Sony for them to work on new films and games. Marvel will then likely have a short lived comeback ala the Muppets years later that will result in praise for movie 1, then tank in movie 2.
 
Realistically speaking, without any :optimistic: about Disney/Marvel publicly unwoking themselves, what would happen if Eternals actually bombed?

Realistically, what would they have to do? If we're using adding Negros and faggots in the movies as "woke", they'd just quitely have less Negros and faggots. It's not like they've openly announced Captain Cocksuck and his Cosmic Cavalcade as the next staple of the franchise, if Gay Niggers from Outer Space doesn't do what they want they'll just start rolling out more Doctor Strange and Winter Soldier shit and quitely dance around it not coming up too much anymore.

"America Chavez? Oh yes she'll be making her way in eventually, we're just preparing to introduce old fan favorites X-Men and the Fantastic Four! We know fans have been chomping at the bit to see these guys in action without extended universe and we want to give the people what they want!".

The real world isn't what YouTube vloggers tell you it is. There isn't a grand scheme in corporate to shove faggots in your capeshit to this extent and there's no reckoning that's going to be required if, Allah willing, their Grand Woke results in aGreat Broke. They'll just fling some other tweak in the formula and proceed.
 
Realistically, what would they have to do? If we're using adding Negros and faggots in the movies as "woke", they'd just quitely have less Negros and faggots. It's not like they've openly announced Captain Cocksuck and his Cosmic Cavalcade as the next staple of the franchise, if Gay Niggers from Outer Space doesn't do what they want they'll just start rolling out more Doctor Strange and Winter Soldier shit and quitely dance around it not coming up too much anymore.

"America Chavez? Oh yes she'll be making her way in eventually, we're just preparing to introduce old fan favorites X-Men and the Fantastic Four! We know fans have been chomping at the bit to see these guys in action without extended universe and we want to give the people what they want!".

The real world isn't what YouTube vloggers tell you it is. There isn't a grand scheme in corporate to shove faggots in your capeshit to this extent and there's no reckoning that's going to be required if, Allah willing, their Grand Woke results in aGreat Broke. They'll just fling some other tweak in the formula and proceed.
The thing I tend to hate about the Fandom Menace/anti-SJW Youtubers is their insistence of Disney eventually doing a 180 after they, hopefully, go broke. That's not how it happens with Disney. I still remember back to the early years of Iger's tenure and how the entire company sucked the collective cock of the Religious Right in a way that looks ridiculous today. From having crosses and prayers and mentions of faith in their productions to forcing their music stars to wear purity rings, yet nobody brings it up. Why? Because Disney never rolled out the carpets and announced their denouncement of these groups. They just slowly started to shift their content to a neutral ground, eventually becoming their new woke incarnation.

The way I see it, if there's a significant change in the way Disney does things, you won't hear it in a press conference. People like the Quartering, Doomcock, Nerdrotic, etc. thinking that multinational entertainment companies are going to come out and beg for forgiveness is a kind of self-aggrandizing exceptionalism I cannot fathom. The best we can hope for is a quiet realignment, if that's even possible with the Twitter Gestapo and their media allies demanding ideological submission every five minutes.
 
Disney will try to write it off similar to Solo or some of their live-action remakes and continue. If another bomb happens afterwards, then they will begin to change tactics. Likely starting with rewriting the MCU with the failure movies out, similar to what sounds to be happening with Star Wars and the removal of the sequel trilogy. If that does not work, I am expecting the death of not just the MCU, but Marvel in general. The comics have tanked and I doubt the tv is fairing much better as they are just MCU ads, so Marvel will have no reason to continue. The aftermath will be the rights of Spider-Man going back to Sony for them to work on new films and games. Marvel will then likely have a short lived comeback ala the Muppets years later that will result in praise for movie 1, then tank in movie 2.

If Eternals bombs while Black Widow still does gangbusters, I think you're right.

I've even seen online how even the most die-hard Marvel capeshit lovers are at least a little nervous about that movie's box office potential thanks to COVID-19 delaying Black Widow this year and throwing everyone off, although they're more convinced it will merely underperform and cause more delays or at most, end up in a Solo scenario.

I honestly think a one-two punch of Eternals and Lady Thor bombing will likely weaken the MCU and lead to a realignment, but won't kill off capeshit or the Marvel IP completely on their own if they can get the issues with X-Men and Fantastic Four fully settled and start filming by then.

But a better question is what would happen if one of the "safe" MCU titles like Black Widow or Doctor Strange 2 end up bombing? I don't think Black Widow will bomb at the box office for a variety of reasons, but I do think it could under-perform if the normies are more fed up with the capeshit fad than we think.

Black Widow under-performing paired with Eternals bombing would be a massive blow and if Eternals and Lady Thor both bomb at the box office in addition to Doctor Strange 2 bombing or under-performing, then Marvel (and possibly capeshit in general) will be deader than Ted Bundy and we'll all be richer for having lost it.

The thing I tend to hate about the Fandom Menace/anti-SJW Youtubers is their insistence of Disney eventually doing a 180 after they, hopefully, go broke. That's not how it happens with Disney. I still remember back to the early years of Iger's tenure and how the entire company sucked the collective cock of the Religious Right in a way that looks ridiculous today. From having crosses and prayers and mentions of faith in their productions to forcing their music stars to wear purity rings, yet nobody brings it up. Why? Because Disney never rolled out the carpets and announced their denouncement of these groups. They just slowly started to shift their content to a neutral ground, eventually becoming their new woke incarnation.

The way I see it, if there's a significant change in the way Disney does things, you won't hear it in a press conference. People like the Quartering, Doomcock, Nerdrotic, etc. thinking that multinational entertainment companies are going to come out and beg for forgiveness is a kind of self-aggrandizing exceptionalism I cannot fathom. The best we can hope for is a quiet realignment, if that's even possible with the Twitter Gestapo and their media allies demanding ideological submission every five minutes.

Pretty much this.

I do think we're seeing a backlash against woke culture that has been building since mid-2019 and I do think Disney and the other big corporations will follow the money and ditch all the pretentious wokeness after losing enough money but I don't think they'll try and draw attention to it.

I've been saying for a while that any cultural realignment and a wider rejection of wokeness in pop culture will be quiet and subtle, much like how the transition from the "edgy" pop culture of the 1990's and 2000's to the pretentious wokeness and SJW punk malaise of "Current Year" pop culture played out.

By the time anyone notices any real cultural shift at all, the process will be mostly complete.
 
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